Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 11:18 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Well, you take a wide sampling of polls and average them together in order to get the best picture you can of what the consensus is. The most unreliable polls on either side should cancel each other out.

Using ANY standard of empirical measurement, Kerry won all three of his debates. Cheney won (or at least tied) his. To disagree with this is to disagree with methodology and scientific method; this is perfectly fine with me, as long as one is willing to admit that their views are based on pure opinion and not worth sh*t in a debate.



I've just presented my opinion. I clearly stated that was my opinion. Why are you getting your panties in a bunch about this?
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 04:40 pm
One thing you have to consider is that no amount of debating skills can compensate for having to defend an untenable position. If you judge the debates purely on how many viewers thought Bush's ideas and solutions to be better, you'll get a different result than you might asking who argued their own positions most effectively.
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Frank Apisa
Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 04:49 pm
Bush is a goddam moron...and a danger to this country and the world.

I cannot wait until November 2nd...so that the nation can finally tell him to get lost.
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 04:51 pm
Pretty much the world will be glad to see Bush go. And that's fine by me.
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Reply Wed 27 Oct, 2004 05:13 pm
Bush has also just been voted best movie Villian, thanks to Michael's Farenheit 9/11:


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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 04:11 am
Hmmmm -

Posting to International Wire of Scoop
Press Release:
Date: Thursday, 28 October 2004
Time: 11:28 am NZT

"Yes, Bush Can" Now Says "No, Bush Can't!"

October 27, 2004

Contact: mailto:[email protected]
Website: http://www.yesbushcan.com/
Act: http://www.yesbushcan.com/act.shtml

"Yes, Bush Can" now says "no, Bush can't!"

Yes, Bush Can, an independent group dedicated to communicating
Bush policies directly to the public, has abandoned its campaign
and is officially endorsing John Kerry for President.

Before changing sides, the Yes, Bush Can team drove around the
country supporting the President in a campaign bus they had equipped
with sound and light systems, confetti cannons, and various props
and costumes. They gave dozens of stump speeches, distributed
campaign videos and "USA Patriot Pledges," and performed patriotic
songs to audiences across the country. (See http://www.yesbushcan.com/media.shtml
and http://www.yesbushcan.com/pledge.shtml.)

Last week, the group officially split with Bush. "In the course
of our travels, we ended up learning more about Bush's policies
than he wanted us to know," said Harmon Spellmeyer, one of the
Yes, Bush Can team. "We came to see that this administration
is a catastrophe for most people."

Before breaking with Bush, the Yes, Bush Can team worked earnestly
to support him. They went to the Pacific Northwest to promote
Bush's Healthy Forests Initiative--and discovered it was enabling
the logging industry to cut down our last old-growth forests.
They visited a nuclear power plant in Ohio to promote Bush's
domestic security policies--and found no one in the guard booth
to meet them. In western Pennsylvania, while promoting the President's
energy policy, they learned that it allows coal emissions which
kill 23,000 people a year. Finally, while defending Bush's war
on terrorism, they found out that even Donald Rumsfeld feels
the Iraq War has made the world a more dangerous place.

After many similar discoveries and much internal turmoil, the
Yes, Bush Can group arrived at the difficult conclusion that
they could no longer continue their work. At a press conference
Tuesday, in order to demonstrate how profoundly they are rejecting
their former boss's ideas and policies, the team defaced and
abandoned the bus they had purchased and outfitted.

Until the election, the former Bush campaigners will be doing
all they can to make sure that Bush is prevented from winning
the presidency. They will be joining many thousands of others
in going door-to-door to "get out the vote" in cities throughout
Florida-- beginning with Jacksonville, a mostly Black city where
11,000 votes were never counted in 2000. (Statewide, 179,000
votes weren't counted, more than half of them Black. 90% of Blacks
voted for Gore.)

The former Yes, Bush Can team recommends the following websites
to those who wish to help "get out the vote":

http://acthere.com/ http://drivingvotes.org/

To canvas by phone, visit http://www.partyforamerica.org/phone/
or http://calls.johnkerry.com/. Send a "vote" eCard at http://www.aflcio.org/familyfunresources/ecards/.
To offer financial support to "get out the vote" efforts, visit
http://acthere.com/gotv-contribute/ or https://www.democrats.org/support/.

Finally, visit the Yes, Bush Can website to follow the Yes, Bush
Can team as they join thousands of others in helping make sure
that Bush can do no more damage to America's economy, security,
and dignity.

# 30 #

Just a little oddity....from http://www.scoop.co.nz/
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2004 10:09 am
Bus broke down. They sold the bus. Geesh dlowan.
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