200,000 Votes Disqualified in Florida!

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It is a matter of personal pride for me. Very citizen should believe their nation is the greatest, else they should move to the country they think is.

To answer your question Dlowan, the best country in the world is the one lucky enough to have ME as a citizen.

What a typically arrogant, American answer.

Perhaps you could, I don't know, look at things objectively? Perhaps people don't always have the ability (or desire?) to jump up and move to another country, even if they aren't thrilled with their own?

Your answer shows how much Nationalism has taken over in America.... it's not a good thing...

Cycloptichorn

Hey, I grew up in Texas. You don't have to explain the concept of pride to me; it's our bread and butter.

But Nationalism has very bad consequences when it becomes the ideology of one's nation... when it drives one's foriegn policies... when one loses the ability to judge one's actions objectively because of a deep-seated belief that they are the 'best' and are not subject to outside judgement...

That is EXACTLY what has happened here in America, and one of the primary reasons the rest of the world has problems with us.

Perhaps a little more objectivity would remind my fellow countrymen that while we do have a lot of great things going for us, there is no god-given mandate for America; there is no more probability that our nation will become dominant (or even survive) than there has been any other nation in the past; to believe so is folly, and will lead down the same road as the other nations which believed that they, too, were supreme and therefore their actions were just by definition.

Cycloptichorn

We fight all crime in the U.S. But despite our best efforts, crimes still occur.

So, yes, we have to "accept" that preventing crime is not 100% effective.

Larry434 wrote:

We fight all crime in the U.S. But despite our best efforts, crimes still occur.

So, yes, we have to "accept" that preventing crime is not 100% effective.

We are not talking about crime in general - we are talking about electoral fraud.

So - the short answer would be - you don't know why the US tolerates it?

Seems, I'm out here.

My experience, and that of 80 million Germans plus some hundred million persons more worldwide, is that everyone, how says: 'Germany is the greatest' is a Nazi.

And it (unfortunately) was and is proved: that's correct.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Seems, I'm out here.

My experience, and that of 80 million Germans plus some hundred million persons more worldwide, is that everyone, how says: 'Germany is the greatest' is a Nazi.

And it (unfortunately) was and is proved: that's correct.

Walter -- it is sad to say that the USA is becoming as fascist as any country during WW2. Small voices such as ours are being drowned out in a sea of nationalistic fervor by self-appointed religious crusaders.

No. We do not "tolerate" any crime, voter fraud or any other. But we are realistic enough to know that crime will continue to some degree, no matter how vigorous the law enforcment and crime prevention activities. We have to "accept" that prevention will not be 100% effective.

Larry434 wrote:

No. We do not "tolerate" any crime, voter fraud or any other. But we are realistic enough to know that crime will continue to some degree, no matter how vigorous the law enforcment and crime prevention activities. We have to "accept" that prevention will not be 100% effective.

...and yet Kerry gets lambasted for saying exactly the same thing about terrorism (his "nuisance" comment). Smells like a double standard to me.

Accepting that crime prevention will never be 100% effective, and calling crime a "nuisance" are two quite different things.

We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives but they're a nuisance

Piffka wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Seems, I'm out here.

My experience, and that of 80 million Germans plus some hundred million persons more worldwide, is that everyone, how says: 'Germany is the greatest' is a Nazi.

And it (unfortunately) was and is proved: that's correct.

Walter -- it is sad to say that the USA is becoming as fascist as any country during WW2. Small voices such as ours are being drowned out in a sea of nationalistic fervor by self-appointed religious crusaders.

That's a lot of haorse puckey Piffka. The country is no more facist now than it was in 1776. The only thing different is the noise those not in office make.

Has anybody addressed the reality of this alleged 200,000 vote fraud?

If it is real, then I think it amazing, in a much vaunted superior deoocracy, that such a level is tolerated, with a simple, c'est la vie.

Seems, I'm out here.

My experience, and that of 80 million Germans plus some hundred million persons more worldwide, is that everyone, how says: 'Germany is the greatest' is a Nazi.

And it (unfortunately) was and is proved: that's correct.