@old europe,
I think you didn't (or didn't want to) understand the points I made. That's OK with me.
You use quotetation marks in a very strange way - several include statements I have never made, and others were put in a context very obviously different from that in which you found them. I'm not sure what may be your purpose in this, but the result has nothing to do with me or the discussion we were having .
Just what does "interfered with our election" mean? It seems clear to me that the DNC, the Clinton Canpaign and their Media allies were certainly involved in a deliberate, long term conspiracy to "interfere with both the primary and the final election", but some leaks, first from within the DNC itself, exposed that fact. Later the Russians attempted to hack into the e mail servers of both the RNC and the DNC. They failed to penetrate the RNC security systems, but, aided by John Podesta's IT prowess, his impenetrable poassword ("PASSWORD") and his taking the bait in a pishing attack, they succeeded with the DNC ( which had simply ignored repeated alerts from FBI agents monitoring previous attempts ) . There appears to be no cure for stupidity. Following all that, the Russians and Wickileaks released the additional confirmatory evidence.
Just who, I ask you, was tampering with the election process??
I believe the outrage espressed by our feckless President, and the several long overdue retaliatory actions (troops in Poland and the Baltics, etc coming as they did after numerous, far more serious and sucessful Russian and Chinese hacks of Government and defense contractor computer files, - all of which yielded zero comment or action from the President, and coming so late in the game, are far more indicative of pique over his embarassment at the election repudiation than any interest in the security of our country. It appears many of his supporters react that way as well. I don't.
It appears you are not, after all, really looking, for better understanding or an objective examination of the tradeoffs & uncertainties inherent in the forecasts we might be comparing here, and are instead merely grubbing for points. That's your right. I was foolish to think otherwise. However I'm not interested in playing.