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Sinclair Broadcasting Group Poised to Break Election Laws

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:05 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Here's an interestin' thought ... sure, the piece is not pro-Kerry, but its not pro-Bush and its ABOUT Kerry. Bush theoretically could press a claim for equal time.
I think he'd be better off being careful what he wished for... :wink:
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 12:03 am
Dookiestix wrote:
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I could care less if it is aired or not. That is up to Sinclair and applicable law, not you or I.


Of course you don't care. But my guess is that it's up to applicable law,

Isn't that what I said?

And it's always possible that Sinclair will back down, as they are being called on this as we write.

That would be up to Sinclair, which is what I said.


Nice to have your agreement. Very Happy
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:29 am
Baldimo wrote:
You want to have a fair debate on Vietnam?


baldi, i don't know about you, but i literally grew up with the vietnam conflict. it started when i was in kindergarten and ended just as i was getting out of highschool. i'm sure that you could debate the virtues of american involvement quite well. the united states war to bring democracy to the grateful, liberated vietnamese people and all. but the end result remains 58,000 dead americans, god knows how many crippled, mentally fubar-ed and a country divided by that war. and this;

http://www.vietnamembassy-usa.org/images/embassyline.gif

vietnamembassy-usa.org
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 04:38 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
'the press' is not the same thing as 'the owners of the station.'

That's an interesting point. Does anyone know what the relevant Supreme Court precedents say about this? And has anybody moved yet to have McCain - Feingold ruled unconstitutional under the First Amendment?

EDIT: The answer to my second question is yes, and the Supreme Court has already ruled it constitutional. (PDF file of the ruling here.) But the ruling was only about campaign contributions in money. In our case, the station owner claims he hasn't received any money for his broadcasting decision. I am not a lawyer, but on the face of it, this particular ruling doesn't seem to apply to our case.

Still haven't found anything about how the Supreme Court defines 'press', in terms of whose freedom the First Amendment protects.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 05:48 am
I think what is becoming clear is that people other than folks like the owners of fox channels and all their sister channels (is that what it is called?) should start buying some channel themselves or else we will start to have all our air waves in effect controlled by the GOP kind of like other countries that we complain about.

I guess if they own the channels then they can decide what to put on their channels; however unfair it is.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 05:51 am
timberlandko wrote:
Here's an interestin' thought ... sure, the piece is not pro-Kerry, but its not pro-Bush and its ABOUT Kerry. Bush theoretically could press a claim for equal time.

Sozobe's New York Times piece agrees.

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Andrew Jay Schwartzman, president of the Media Access Project, an advocacy group promoting greater media regulation, said he did not think the film would qualify for a news exemption. And, he said, even if it did fall under equal time provisions, those are based on candidate appearances and in this case, since it is Mr. Kerry who appears, "albeit disparagingly," stations would be required to show Mr. Bush or possibly the independent candidate Ralph Nader, if they requested it.


In any case, the point about the news exemption appears to be mute as a legal matter. Sinclair has offered the Kerry campaign time to respond, and the campain has chosen not to take it. From the same New York Times piece:

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But acknowledging that news standards call for fairness, Mr. Hyman (of Sinclair, T.)said an invitation has been extended to Mr. Kerry to respond after the documentary is shown. "There are certainly serious allegations that are leveled; we would very much like to get his response," he said.

Asked if Sinclair would consider running a documentary of similar length either lauding Mr. Kerry, responding to the charges in "Stolen Honor" or criticizing Mr. Bush, Mr. Hyman said, "We'd just have to take a look at it."

Aides to Mr. Kerry said he would not accept Sinclair's invitation.

"It's hard to take an offer seriously from a group that is hellbent on doing anything to help elect President Bush even if that means violating basic journalism standards," said Chad Clanton, a Kerry spokesman.

If Kerry declines an offer to respond to the film, that makes the whole legal issue his problem, not Sinclair's. As far as the law is concerned, there is nothing wrong with being hellbent on doing anything to help elect President Bush even if that means violating basic journalism standards. Personally, I think hellbentness is a bad idea both for the broadcasters and for their viewers, because people will react the same way as we react to similarly hellbent A2K posters: they will ignore this channel, and its viewership will never rise beyond the ranks of the True Believers of conservatism.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 05:52 am
revel wrote:
I think what is becoming clear is that people other than folks like the owners of fox channels and all their sister channels (is that what it is called?) should start buying some channel themselves or else we will start to have all our air waves in effect controlled by the GOP kind of like other countries that we complain about.

I guess if they own the channels then they can decide what to put on their channels; however unfair it is.


Unless it contains illegal content, that is true. Would you have it any other way? Certainly government controlled media would not be a viable solution.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 05:59 am
revel wrote:
I think what is becoming clear is that people other than folks like the owners of fox channels and all their sister channels (is that what it is called?) should start buying some channel themselves or else we will start to have all our air waves in effect controlled by the GOP kind of like other countries that we complain about.

I agree, and Al Franken's Air America looks like a very promising step in this direction. I have no idea who owns it, but I'm convinced that media capitalism can work for liberal causes too.

revel wrote:
I guess if they own the channels then they can decide what to put on their channels; however unfair it is.

I see nothing unfair about this. After all, journalists are just one ingredent in a mix of people who cooperate to provide news. I resent this "holier than you" attitute I sense among journalists -- this sense that scribblers are in any way more special than the other people who work for, lend money to, or own the news organizations.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 06:31 am
Thomas wrote:
revel wrote:
I think what is becoming clear is that people other than folks like the owners of fox channels and all their sister channels (is that what it is called?) should start buying some channel themselves or else we will start to have all our air waves in effect controlled by the GOP kind of like other countries that we complain about.

I agree, and Al Franken's Air America looks like a very promising step in this direction. I have no idea who owns it, but I'm convinced that media capitalism can work for liberal causes too.

revel wrote:
I guess if they own the channels then they can decide what to put on their channels; however unfair it is.

I see nothing unfair about this. After all, journalists are just one ingredent in a mix of people who cooperate to provide news. I resent this "holier than you" attitute I sense among journalists -- this sense that scribblers are in any way more special than the other people who work for, lend money to, or own the news organizations.


What I meant by unfair was just from my point of view being a democrat we are presently outnumbered on how many stations and tv channels we own so as a result the public is exposed to a more GOP views than other viewpoints.

About liberal radio stations and things, we just don't seem to be able to that as well. We do better with shows on hbo like Bill Mahar. I think it is simply because most liberals really don't listen to the radio for news talk, they listen to it for music; so they are not going to be turing to those stations like al franken. I think al franken's show would do better on tv on a show like Bill Mahar's since liberals really don't listen to talk radio.

But we should get in gear because we have a long way to go to catch up with the massive amount of stations that the GOP owns.

Wasn't there something about this not too long ago? Some kind of concern about media monopoly? Media captilism might very well work for liberal causes, but not if the other side buys up all the channels.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 06:34 am
Larry434 wrote:
revel wrote:
I think what is becoming clear is that people other than folks like the owners of fox channels and all their sister channels (is that what it is called?) should start buying some channel themselves or else we will start to have all our air waves in effect controlled by the GOP kind of like other countries that we complain about.

I guess if they own the channels then they can decide what to put on their channels; however unfair it is.


Unless it contains illegal content, that is true. Would you have it any other way? Certainly government controlled media would not be a viable solution.


I don't think the government should control the media to the extent that it stifles dissent, but I do think a little regulation to keep from a one sided monopoly is not a bad thing.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 06:47 am
"I don't think the government should control the media to the extent that it stifles dissent, but I do think a little regulation to keep from a one sided monopoly is not a bad thing"

I think the Anti-Trust laws govern that don't they?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:17 am
I agree that the government shouldn't control the media. But what if one political party controls both the government and the media? Isn't that defacto government control?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:26 am
FreeDuck wrote:
I agree that the government shouldn't control the media. But what if one political party controls both the government and the media? Isn't that defacto government control?


Since the majority of newspapers in this country are pro-Kerry, I don't see GOP control.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:28 am
'what if'
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:29 am
... and media is more than just newspapers. But you knew that.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:31 am
FreeDuck wrote:
... and media is more than just newspapers. But you knew that.


True. Have any of the major networks and cable news channels endorsed either candidate?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:32 am
Is endorsement the same as control? But this was a hypothetical question. I'm interested what you think about such a case?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:35 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Is endorsement the same as control? But this was a hypothetical question. I'm interested what you think about such a case?


I am opposed to government control of media...that would be a violation of the First Amendment.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 07:35 am
And your opinion as to the question asked?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 08:20 am
FreeDuck wrote:
And your opinion as to the question asked?


No, endorsement is not the same as control.
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