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The U.N. Gun Ban Treaty - Gun Owners Beware

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:28 am
A Special Message from NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre: Tune in to iN DEMAND Pay-Per-View and Watch the U.N. Gun Debate!
Make plans now to watch iN DEMAND Pay-Per-View on October 12th for my 90-minute debate with international gun-ban ringleader Rebecca Peters. And after the debate, be sure to Vote on whether the U.S. Senate should approve the U.N.'s gun-ban treaty!

Rebecca Peters almost single-handedly brought gun confiscation to Australia and to England and is now the most feared gun-banner in the world. With more than 500 gun control organizations under her command worldwide, and with the unlimited financial backing of billionaire George Soros, she's determined to make gun confiscation a reality here in the United States -- through a U.N.-backed treaty that would be binding on every American citizen.

You and every American gun owner need to watch this debate -- and see first-hand this enormous and very real threat to our Second Amendment rights.



Tune in on October 12th, and you'll see how gun banners have taken over the U.N. -- and how they intend to infect America with their anti-gun poison. You'll see for yourself how the biggest coalition of gun-ban organizations ever assembled on earth is working with the U.N. and with U.S. politicians to take away your rights.

You'll learn the truth about George Soros -- the foreign-born American financier who is spending his personal fortune to advance the global gun-ban movement as well as elect John Kerry to the White House on November 2nd. And you'll see for yourself why U.N. gun-ban extremists will be rejoicing around the world if John Kerry is elected President.

To prevent our nation from living under this soon-to-be-drafted United Nations gun control treaty in the years ahead, every American needs to know what the U.N. intends to do with our Second Amendment rights -- and every gun owner needs to watch this debate.

Please tune in to this historic debate. See the threat for yourself. And invite your gun-owning friends, neighbors and co-workers to watch with you.

I promise you, you'll never look at the U.N. in the same way again -- and you'll get the information you need to help defeat this U.N.-backed effort to ban our guns. Thanks in advance for watching -- and for Voting!

SHOWTIME:

Tuesday, October 12 9:00 p.m. - 10:30 p.m. Eastern Time
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:58 am
Re: The U.N. Gun Ban Treaty - Gun Owners Beware
cjhsa wrote:
To prevent our nation from living under this soon-to-be-drafted United Nations gun control treaty in the years ahead, every American needs to know what the U.N. intends to do with our Second Amendment rights -- and every gun owner needs to watch this debate.


What an idiocy - how stupid are the readers of this pamphlet considered to be?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:03 am
What are you talking about Walter? This is nothing new.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:15 am
I thought, the USA was an independent stae, with on own parliamen (gere: congress), a government ... who have to sign and ratify a treaty?

(Such is commonly known as "International Law".)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:15 am
I thought, the USA was an independent state, with on own parliament (here: congress), a government ... who have to sign and ratify a treaty?

(Such is commonly known as "International Law".)
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:16 am
I'd suggest you watch the debate. Watch it three times.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:19 am
You really mean, this will be the very first time that the treaty is dictated by an international body without any debate there?

That really would be a historic moment: first time ever in history .... and then the USA to be the first and only country!!!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:22 am
Look Walter, if that wasn't the goal of Ms. Peters, why would she bother to debate?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:30 am
So Ms. Peters will become the new US-dictator? Shocked
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:38 am
Oh brother.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:43 pm
Cjhsa said:

"Rebecca Peters almost single-handedly brought gun confiscation to Australia"


God - I wish you would occasionally get a fact right.

Revulsion from the actions of this man:

http://www.overflow.net.au/~nedwood/bryant2.jpg

led to an overwhelming wave of Australian support for further restrictions of guns in Oz.

We also have our gun nuts (most of whom, as far as I can see, base themselves pretty much entirely on American models) - but this law was enthusiastically supported by an overwhelming majority of our population.

I presume, since you say such nonsense, that you have never heard of Martin Bryant? The fella who, with an array of fearsome guns that he had been able to buy easily, slaughtered 35 people?

Here is a Google search on him to assist you:

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Martin+Bryant&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Lol - I am just reading some of the crap spouted by the gun folk - for instance, it states here http://www.gunowners.org/hlr-au.htm that the gun laws were imposed by a leftist government.

What a hoot - showing the level of research by American gun nuts. The laws were passed by a CONSERVATIVE government. The same drivel says that the laws haven't worked - there are more burglaries. Perhaps -

but:
Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws



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February, 2000
Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws

Latest official data from Australia shows a marked reduction in gun-related crime and injury following recent restrictions on the private ownership of firearms.

Twelve days after 35 people were shot dead by a single gunman in Tasmania, Australia's state and federal governments agreed to enact wide-ranging new gun control laws to curb firearm-related death and injury. Between July 1996 and August 1998, the new restrictions were brought into force. Since that time, key indicators for gun-related death and crime have shown encouraging results.

Firearm-Related Homicide

"There was a decrease of almost 30% in the number of homicides by firearms from 1997 to 1998."

-- Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, Oct 1999

This report shows that as gun ownership has been progressively restricted since 1915, Australia's firearm homicide rate per 100,000 population has declined to almost half its 85-year average.

Homicide by Any Method

The overall rate of homicide in Australia has also dropped to its lowest point since 1989 (National Homicide Monitoring Program, 1997-98 data). It remains one-fourth the homicide rate in the USA.

The Institute of Criminology report Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999 includes 1998 homicide data showing "a 9% decrease from the rate in 1997." This is the period in which most of the country's new gun laws came into force.

Gun-Related Death by Any Cause

The Australian Bureau of Statistics counts all injury deaths, whether or not they are crime-related. The most recently available ABS figures show a total of 437 firearm-related deaths (homicide, suicide and unintentional) for 1997. This is the lowest number for 18 years.

The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States.

"We have observed a decline in firearm-related death rates (essentially in firearm-related suicides) in most jurisdictions in Australia. We have also seen a declining trend in the percentage of robberies involving the use of firearms in Australia."

-- Mouzos, J. Firearm-related Violence: The Impact of the Nationwide Agreement on Firearms. Trends & Issues in Crime & Criminal Justice No. 116. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, May 1999; 6

Assault and Robbery

Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm.

"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."

-- Recorded Crime, Australia, 1998. Australian Bureau of Statistics, Jun 1999

Firearm-Related Crime in Tasmania

"A declining firearm suicide rate, a declining firearm assault rate, a stable firearm robbery rate with a declining proportion of robberies committed with a firearm and a declining proportion of damage to property offences committed with a firearm suggest that firearm regulation has been successful in Tasmania."

-- Warner, Prof K. Firearm Deaths and Firearm Crime After Gun Licensing in Tasmania. Australian Institute of Criminology, 3rd National Outlook Symposium on Crime in Australia. Canberra, 22-23 Mar 1999.

Curbing Gun Proliferation in Australia

In the 1996-97 Australian gun buy-back, two-thirds of a million semi-automatic and pump-action rifles and shotguns were sold to the government at market value. Thousands more gun owners volunteered their firearms for free, and nearly 700,000 guns were destroyed.

By destroying one-seventh of its estimated stock of firearms (the equivalent figure in the USA would be 30 million), Australia has significantly altered the composition of its civilian arsenal.

In addition, all remaining guns must be individually registered to their licensed owners, private firearm sales are no longer permitted and each gun purchase through a licensed arms dealer is scrutinised by police to establish a "genuine reason" for ownership. Possession of guns for self-defence is specifically prohibited, and very few civilians are permitted to own a handgun. All the nation's governments, police forces and police unions support the current gun laws.

Other Countries

Similar reductions in gun death and injury have been noted in several countries whose gun controls have been recently tightened.

In Canada, where new gun laws were introduced in 1991 and 1995, the number of gun deaths has reached a 30-year low.

Two years ago in the United Kingdom, civilian handguns were banned, bought back from their owners and destroyed. In the year following the law change, Scotland recorded a 17% drop in all firearm-related offences. The British Home Office reports that in the nine months following the handgun ban, firearm-related offences in England and Wales dropped by 13%.

A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American.




Some more facts:

http://www.planetpapers.com/Assets/5135.php

Anyhoo - I have better things to do than counter such stuff.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:51 pm
"Twelve days after 35 people were shot dead by a single gunman in Tasmania, Australia's state and federal governments agreed to enact wide-ranging new gun control laws to curb firearm-related death and injury."

Typical knee jerk reaction. Government, please save us from ourselves! I've said it before, I'm saying it again. You have lost a right. Forever. And you don't care. I'm not willing to allow that kind of thinking to take over here in the U.S.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:54 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I'm not willing to allow that kind of thinking to take over here in the U.S.


Yessir!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:55 pm
No - I DO care!

I love that we have been sensible and civilised.

I also gave up the right to crap on the pavements and kill when I am angry in order to enjoy the benefits of civilisation.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:58 pm
No, you haven't been either. In fact, I'd say that since you also have now banned swords, that you're actually acting pretty strangely.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:02 pm
Lol - and - have you noticed your "logic" Cjhsa?

First you write lies - saying our gun laws were the result, I presume you mean, of an awful UN plot.

Your nonsense is exposed.

Some might falter, but, no - a NEW negative spin is immediately thought up - knee-jerk unthinking reaction!

I just bet you would have included "typical left-wing stupidity/hysteria" in there, given that what I assume to be your sources also spread that nonsense - if I had not already pre-empted it!

You're a legend, in your own way.

Never let facts stand in the way of a good argument.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:06 pm
By the way, LaPierre wrote the piece I posted and used Oz as an example of lost rights. I didn't bring it up - Dlowan took offense.

D-lo, if you like your laws, fine, I'm not trying to change them. I'm trying to point out to honest, civil, gun owning Americans the threat to their second ammendment rights.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:09 pm
Seems like those folks are steering clear of this thread, cjhsa. But if it makes you feel better, I'll be concerned for a bit.

[Pause]

I'm over it now. I have a feeling our right to bear arms is still intact...
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:13 pm
Well D'art, Kerry is pretty scary on this topic, for sure. I have links, but I don't wanna get into it here.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:21 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
So Ms. Peters will become the new US-dictator? Shocked
Laughing Laughing Laughing

cj, what you're missing here is that it doesn't make a lick of difference what the U.N. decides is best, unless our House accepts it (yes, even if Kerry is on their side :wink: )... and they wouldn't. You should actually be behind the bill because them untrustworthy savages that make up the rest of the world will have to turn in their guns (if their governments accept it)!

But, thanks for the lookoutÂ… I'll probably watch it.
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