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layman
 
  -4  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:19 am
@layman,
Clearly, if I say something like "I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow," I am ASKING God to exert his power to prevent rain, eh?

Clearly, if I tell my wife I'd like a new shotgun, I am ORDERING her to hit the streets and whore herself out until she has enough money to buy me one, eh?

Nice try, cheese-eater.
glitterbag
 
  5  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:24 am
@layman,
Oh sure, that's exactly the same thing. You never disappoint.
snood
 
  3  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:29 am
@ossobucotemp,
ossobucotemp wrote:

Ooh, it's a visit to the pope too? Now I can hardly wait.

This particular Pope has had nothing much good to say about Trump, so it might be an interesting meeting. Maybe we'll get to see the damn fool publicly snub the pope like he snubbed the German chancellor.
snood
 
  5  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:31 am
@glitterbag,
Why do you humor the bottom-feeding ogre?
layman
 
  -2  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:31 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Oh sure, that's exactly the same thing. You never disappoint.


I like to think that I have the ability to imagine. I know cheese-eaters do.
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:33 am
@Lash,
Lash...several of your recent posts are making it very difficult for me to hold you to your bet when you lose.

Also, there seems to be a small consensus among the libs and the right thinking others here that it is a distinct possibility that an entity is trying to illegally undo a legal election.

While I have never been one to believe conspiracy theories ala Bittleberg, Illuminati, new world order, I find merit in this one.

Those of you cheese heads and us right thinkers need to seriously think about the future implications and ramifications if this presidency goes down.

Contemplate​ what it means for the future of this republic and the stability of the free world.

No President should be removed from office or have his/ her effectiveness to govern this country or influence geopolitical concerns hamstrung unless there is CLEAR and concise evidence of a criminal violation of the Constitution or if he's caught eating his poop.

The reason should be clear enough where there is no need for any special commission to validate it.

You have politicians like Feinstein who admit there is no evidence of collusion after 6 months or a year of investigation. We all know full well that if there was evidence it would have already been leaked. The director of the FBI states publicly his investigation has not been pressured, but there is still a movement afoot to undermine the President.

Think very carefully your wish to unseat a duly elected politician because you just don't like him. For if we can do it to a Republican now, it will be very easy to to it to the next Democrat.

And there goes the republic boys and girls.

Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:34 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
Trump threw out the book of "conventional wisdom" and, by doing so, kicked all of [the media's] sorry asses. The resentment and desire for the most extreme form of "revenge" has been quite apparent since the day he won the election.

Why, thanks for making my point that Trump antagonized the media...
layman
 
  -2  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:37 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

layman wrote:
Trump threw out the book of "conventional wisdom" and, by doing so, kicked all of [the media's] sorry asses. The resentment and desire for the most extreme form of "revenge" has been quite apparent since the day he won the election.

Why, thanks for making my point that Trump antagonized the media...


You're welcome. Damn right he did.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:38 am
@giujohn,
Quote:
an entity is trying to illegally undo a legal election.

Or vice versa: to legally undo an illegal election.
layman
 
  -2  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:49 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Clearly, if I say something like "I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow," I am ASKING God to exert his power to prevent rain, eh?


Ya see, assuming that I thought there was a God who could, and would, if desirable, prevent rain, I would never think that he would ever do anything, in his infinite wisdom, simply because I desired it.

I would be the first to acknowledge that whatever "plans" he might have for the weather would include all kinds of considerations that went far beyond my "hopes."
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Fri 19 May, 2017 11:57 am
The ongoing tempest regarding the election, accusations of Russian "interference" in our election and supposed "collusion" between Trump, his campaign of staffers with "the Russians, is all very confusing, distracting and increasingly given to hyperbole.

On one side we have descriptions of an undisciplined, perhaps psychopathic president who has colluded with the Russians to somehow steal the election from the supposed anointed queen whose time had surely come.

On the other we have a Democrat Party establishment, dominated by then candidate Clinton, maintaining the pretense of competition for its nomination with the candidacy of a self-described Socialist Senator who merely caucused with the Democrats, but, through a long career in the Senate, never identified with them. In this the situation the DNG rather obviously sought to contain his much-larger-than-expected public support. All that became clear in the controversy as as former DNC chair Rep Wasserman-Schultz was removed from her post midway through the campaign.

Candidate Trump pursued an unconventional, populist campaign that won him the nomination in a large, highly competitive field of Republican candidates. The ensuing election revealed a large scale defection of formerly Democrat constituents in a stunning victory in an election, which realigned the boundaries of political dispute across the country.

There was nothing particularly unusual or nefarious in the DNC's affinity for candidate Clinton. However the issues of Hillary's e mail server (intended obviously to protect her from FOIA inquiries) and the overlapping issues of influence peddling regarding the Clinton Foundations and the many lies and deceptions that ensued from these and the Bengasi investigations, complicated and raised the stakes for everything else.

Democrats and their candidate have remained in the grip of anger and denial over the election outcome, and have been thrashing about in rather desperate efforts to blame it all on anyone but themselves.

In all of this remarkably little has been said or published regarding the core issues here. Just what did the Russians do to influence our election and what discernible effects did it have? I've read reports that leaks of hacked DNC e-mails confirming some of the shenanigans relative to Bernie and the TV debates were attributed to the Russians. However both issues were already in the news reports independently of them. Moreover, amidst all the many long term controversies regarding Clinton's competency, truthfulness and misuse of her office it is very hard to conclude that any of it made much difference.

Similarly we've heard a lot of talk and hyperbole about alleged communications between Trump staffers and Russian officials and virtually nothing about what harmful things might have been said or done. Could it have been any worse than Obama's pre election recorded conversation with Russian PM Medvedev affirming that he (Obama) would have more flexibility (and therefore more accommodating) after the election? Lots of hyperbole about might have been done but no facts and no theories about motivation.

The same characteristics that enabled Trump to capture public attention and support in the Primary and increasingly during the final election campaign, also make him vulnerable to the campaign of leaks, conspiracy theories, allegations of incompetency or worse that a willing Democrat Establishment and supportive media peddle so assiduously. In the background we are also seeing an increasing intolerance in progressive circles for any deviation from their ever more restrictive PC norms.

Crazy times. The continuing denial and self promoting outrage of Democrats will likely do them no god in the long run, and it is hurting the country now.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Fri 19 May, 2017 12:01 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Why do you humor the bottom-feeding ogre?


'Blush' Point taken.
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layman
 
  0  
Fri 19 May, 2017 12:08 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
The continuing denial and self promoting outrage of Democrats will likely do them no good in the long run, and it is hurting the country now.


I dunno, George. Maybe the only thing that is hurting the country now is that the democrats are not in power. That's their view, and who could ever possibly say that they are wrong?
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layman
 
  -1  
Fri 19 May, 2017 12:16 pm
Babies have an astonishing ability to cry and wail, seemingly for hours on end. Even so, they always end up just falling asleep, it seems.

Later, cheese-eaters.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 19 May, 2017 12:17 pm
@layman,
That was my point all along, see?

Olivier5 wrote:
Yeah, but then, Trump's treatment of the media has been "unprecedented in its hostility." He made enemies in each and everyone of them, even FAUX. Humiliating the media has worked well with his audience, and humiliating Trump works well with the media reader/viewership. It's a win-win, or perhaps a lose-lose but it's a case of "two to tango".

Post: #6,427,357
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InfraBlue
 
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Fri 19 May, 2017 12:18 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
By saying, "I hope... Trump asked...
Cute attempt at subterfuge, though, trumpee.

Cute attempt at sophistry, cheese-eater

Talk about sophistry, that's not the full quote, trumpee.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 19 May, 2017 12:26 pm
@Olivier5,
Of course he has. Has anyone here argued he hasn't?

Some will argue that this is not a wise thing to do, like pissing off a cop or a TSA agent, but this would imply that the MSM have the same proclivity for abusing their power as other authoritarian bullies.

The difference of course is that

a)It doesn't matter how Trump treated or treats the MSM. As soon as he entered the political arena they began mocking him and as soon as it appeared that he might have even a small chance of becoming president they added full out war to their treatment. There is perhaps a difference in degree that has something to do with Trump's antagonism, but any and all Republicans get roughly the same treatment from the MSM.

It's no secret that professional journalists take great umbrage at his criticism of the news media. Doesn't he realize that when he attacks and insults them he is attacking and insulting democracy itself? They are the personification of American freedom and therefore they alone are allowed to mock and vilify individuals and if those individuals don't appreciate the treatment and strike back? Well that's just proof that either they have incredibly thin skin or are thinly disguised fascists...probably both.

At least when a cop pulls you over on the highway, or questions you on the street, acting obsequious will almost assure you of not being abused and might even get you out of a ticket. Ask John McCain how that approach worked with the MSM when he ran for the presidency, and

b) Few if any would hope to gain anything from antagonizing cops or TSA agents. Trump's treatment of the MSM helped him get elected and stokes the fires of his base of supporters.
InfraBlue
 
  3  
Fri 19 May, 2017 12:28 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

Clearly, if I say something like "I hope it doesn't rain tomorrow," I am ASKING God to exert his power to prevent rain, eh?

Clearly, if I tell my wife I'd like a new shotgun, I am ORDERING her to hit the streets and whore herself out until she has enough money to buy me one, eh?

Nice try, cheese-eater.

So, now you're equating Comey with God.

Next rationalization, trumpee. These are fun.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 19 May, 2017 12:38 pm
An excerpt from the Morning Jolt a daily e-mail newsletter written by Jim Geraghty of the National Review:

Quote:
When Does All That Evidence of Collusion Arrive?

Thursday, White House communications officials were eager to spotlight these comments from legislators, admitting or confirming, that they had, so far, seen no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Sam Stein, Huffington Post: “But just to be clear, there has been no actual evidence yet.”
REP. MAXINE WATERS (D-CA): “No, it has not been.”


Keep in mind, this is “Mad Maxine” Waters, who begins that interview by contending, “Lock her up, lock her up, all of that, I think that was developed strategically with people from the Kremlin, with Putin.” Right, right, there’s no way the Trump campaign could have possibly thought of that rallying cry on their own. That’s gotta be the work of Russian intelligence right there — you’ve cracked the case, Congresswoman!

Then there’s a Republican senator who hasn’t been a consistent Trump ally with the same assessment.

Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina: “There is no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians as of this date. I do not believe the president himself is a target or subject of any criminal investigation as of right now. So that’s what I know right now, and where this goes, I don’t know. Follow the facts where they lead.”

Perhaps the most significant comes from Senator Dianne Feinstein of California:

WOLF BLITZER, CNN: “The last time we spoke, Senator, I asked you if you had actually seen evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and you said to me -- and I’m quoting you now -- you said, ‘not at this time.’ Has anything changed since we spoke last?”
SENATOR DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA): “Well, not—no, it hasn’t.”

BLITZER: “But I just want to be precise, Senator. In all of the—you’ve had access from the intelligence committee, from the Judiciary committee, all of the access you’ve had to very sensitive information, so far you’ve not seen any evidence of collusion, is that right?”
SEN. FEINSTEIN: “Well, evidence that would establish that there’s collusion. There are all kinds of rumors around. There are newspaper stories, but that’s not necessarily evidence.”


Feinstein is the most intriguing, because think about how easily she could have fudged her answer: “I’ve seen things that trouble me, Wolf” or “I’ve seen things that raise serious questions” or some other word salad that avoid the word “no.”

And then there was this Reuters article, reporting that Michael Flynn and other advisers to Donald Trump’s campaign were in contact with Russian officials and others with Kremlin ties in at least 18 calls and e-mails during the last seven months of the 2016 presidential race,

The people who described the contacts to Reuters said they had seen no evidence of wrongdoing or collusion between the campaign and Russia in the communications reviewed so far. But the disclosure could increase the pressure on Trump and his aides to provide the FBI and Congress with a full account of interactions with Russian officials and others with links to the Kremlin during and immediately after the 2016 election.

(The Reuters story cites “current and former U.S. officials” as sources. Every time we see the words “former U.S. official” we should keep in mind there’s a good chance the source would be more accurately characterized as a “former Obama-administration official.” This doesn’t mean that former official is automatically lying, just that they have a particular agenda for leaking this information, and one that is being effectively withheld from readers.)

Democrats are increasingly convinced that the seemingly endless storm of allegations around Trump will inevitably lead to his impeachment, and an impeachment that will come soon, not late in Trump’s first term. They’re convinced that evidence of Trump violating the law exists, and they’re convinced that the FBI or the investigating committees in Congress will find it.

Are any Democratic lawmakers starting to fear that they’re not going to find that evidence? The intelligence community is presumably always watching the Russian government as closely as they can. The FBI counterintelligence guys presumably track Russian agents on our soil as much as possible. You figure the NSA can track just about any electronic communication between Russians and figures in the Trump campaign.

If there was something sinister and illegal going on between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, the U.S. government as a whole had every incentive in the world to expose that as quickly as possible. They didn’t expose it before Election Day, they didn’t expose it before the Electoral College voted, they didn’t expose it before Inauguration Day… How many months have the best investigators in the United States been digging into this?

Imagine a scenario where the FBI and prosecutors eventually can prove some underling violated the law — obstruction of justice? Lying to investigators? — but not Trump. Will Democrats accept that?

Pity the FBI and intelligence community. They have to get to the bottom of this in a world where just under half of Capitol Hill, most of the media, almost all of academia, a good portion of the think-tank world and “intellectual class” etc., believe that the real mission of the investigation is to correct the “error” of the 2016 election.

If you talk to Democrats lately, they speak not as if the voters merely made a mistake, but that somehow history itself has gone wrong. They speak we’re living in an alternative timeline, experiencing events that “weren’t supposed” to happen. In their eyes, Hillary Clinton was obviously so much more appealing that Trump. She led in the polls! She had so many more campaign offices! She spent so much more money! She ran so many more ads! Surely, a result like this must be the result of someone cheating.

Because so many Democrats associate Trump with apocalyptic threats — global warming, the sudden establishment of a repressive theocracy like The Handmaid’s Tale, nuclear confrontation, race wars — they all see themselves as their own personal Kyle Reeses, on a mission to save the future.

With this desperate, all-or-nothing mindset, they will always insist that the evidence to take down Trump is waiting to be found, just around the next corner…

ossobucotemp
 
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Fri 19 May, 2017 12:42 pm
@snood,
I just read about it - http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/19/trump-vatican-pope-francis-238522

Veddy interesting.

I'm an off and on pope fan. Last one I liked before Francis was John XXIII, who died in 1963.
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