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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 18 May, 2017 12:37 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
And he whines he hasn't ben treated fairly.

Good grief. Trump was NOT whining. He was saying that he is tough enough to take it.

He was using his own weathering of adversity to tell the students that they too will have to weather adversity in life.


MontereyJack wrote:
No, he's gotten exactly whathe earned, which is scorn.

Actually no. The Democrats are way out of line with their witch-hunting and it is necessary to start cracking down on them.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 18 May, 2017 12:42 am
Quote:
Donald Trump's White House has renewed sanctions relief for Iran, despite the US president's past criticism.

The easing of sanctions is part of a crucial nuclear deal brokered in 2015 under then-President Barack Obama with five other world powers.

Mr Trump has described the landmark agreement as the "worst deal ever".

However, the US Treasury issued fresh sanctions against specific officials and a Chinese business with links to Iran's missile programme.

The move means that sanctions preventing any US companies selling to or dealing with Iran will remain suspended for the time being.

In return, Iran has pledged to restrict its nuclear activities, reducing its uranium enrichment, plutonium production plans, and allowing inspectors access to facilities.
The new sanctions from the Treasury are much more specific in scope, targeting two senior Iranian defence officials and suppliers of missile equipment, in apparent retaliation for a recent missile test, and for Iran's support of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

US citizens and entities are now banned from dealing with the officials and companies involved.

However, the White House stopped short of failing to renew the waivers on more widespread sanctions, which are not permanent and were due to expire this week.

This is the first time Mr Trump has been faced with the issue, after former President Obama renewed the agreement shortly before he left office.
Mr Trump has consistently warned Iran over its missile activity, and has criticised the terms of the deal made by Mr Obama - at one point claiming his "number one priority" if elected would be "to dismantle the disastrous deal".

But the other nations involved in the agreement - including China, Russia, and the UK - believe it is the best way to prevent Iran getting a nuclear weapon.

Since Mr Trump's inauguration, his administration has also continued to certify to Congress that Iran is upholding its part of the deal, which it must do every 90 days.

But in April, Mr Trump ordered a wider review of the nuclear deal, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Iran "remains a leading state sponsor of terror, through many platforms and methods".

Tehran, however, has always argued it has no nuclear weapon ambitions and is using nuclear technology for energy purposes.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39950827
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MontereyJack
 
  5  
Thu 18 May, 2017 12:44 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

Good grief. Trump was NOT whining. He was saying that he is tough enough to take it.

And he whines incesantly about how unfair it all is. Perfectly fair. He brought it on himself.[ No one is forcing him to lie every time he opens his mouth.

And the Russia probes at hardly a witch hunt. Again, Trump flamboyantly brought it on himself, when he made the outrageous suggestion that that Putin should hack Hilary's emails. Wheb t turned out that Putin.as people had ilegally done just that, it kind of beggars coincidence that there was no connection, and investigating just that is perfectly legitimate. Given the fact that the whole thing was totally clandestine and dark, it is to be expected that getting to the bottom is not going to be easy. Trumps own fault entirely.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 18 May, 2017 12:45 am
@MontereyJack,
If you ever re-watch Stargate SG1, the last three seasons are available in high definition, but only as a digital download. No Blu-Rays.

Although the high definition version of one extended episode (the final confrontation with Anubis) is missing the extended parts, so you might want DVD resolution for that episode.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 18 May, 2017 12:47 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
And he whines incesantly about how unfair it all is. Perfectly fair. He brought it on himself.[ No one is forcing him to lie every time he opens his mouth.

No, the witch hunt against him is over the top and not at all fair.

And he wasn't whining. If you think that was whining you misunderstood his entire speech.
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Thu 18 May, 2017 12:58 am
It's whining. The investigations are justified.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 18 May, 2017 01:12 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
It's whining.

Your perceptions are flawed because liberals are delusional and out of touch with reality.


MontereyJack wrote:
The investigations are justified.

An investigation into Russian election meddling would have been justified.

There is no justification for the witch hunt that the Democrats are waging against Trump.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Thu 18 May, 2017 01:39 am
@oralloy,
It's just politics as usual. Remember the "birthers" and all the abuse thrown at Obama? And Trump invites it, with his constant self-pity, self-glorification, self-everything.
visceral
 
  -1  
Thu 18 May, 2017 01:57 am
@oralloy,
they are about politics before country....it will end up biting them in the ass.
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hightor
 
  5  
Thu 18 May, 2017 03:11 am
Quote:

Concerns about Trump's fitness to serve as commander-in-chief has been a weak spot with independents and GOP voters outside of his loyal base. These voters form the backbone of the coalition that elected the president and Republican majorities in the House and Senate in November.

They had long ago resigned themselves to the constant tweeting and other uncomfortable aspects of Trump's unusual style.

But a belief that he is not competent to conduct foreign policy as fallout especially from his sharing classified intelligence with the Russians, could sunder the party's electoral coalition heading into 2018.

(...)

An adviser to a Republican being recruited for a marquee congressional race in 2018 said the president's behavior was concerning. "I'd be a fool if I said it wasn't causing us at least a little heartburn," this individual said. "I mean, seriously, when is this **** going to stop?"

A Republican lobbyist who is actively raising money for the party said the complaints have been piling up from donors. They don't think that the problem is media persecution or Democratic obstruction, they think the problem is the president.

"People are feeling – it's disgust, it's shame, it's you name it, all of the above," the lobbyist said. Asked for examples of the complaints fielded, the lobbyist added: "When is this going to end? How can we recover? These are clowns."

WE
Builder
 
  1  
Thu 18 May, 2017 03:16 am
@hightor,
It's almost like they never expected their candidate to be elected, right?
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Brandon9000
 
  -4  
Thu 18 May, 2017 03:16 am
@MontereyJack,
Mr. Trump never suggested that Russia hack Hillary's e-mails. He made a joke. Now that the investigation has beengoing on for some time, please tell me one specific improper thing that any member of the Trump team ever said to any Russian person. I want the quotation, at least approximately. Just one will do.
farmerman
 
  5  
Thu 18 May, 2017 03:30 am
@Brandon9000,
you may have to wait for an investigation to conclude. The thing is that no one denies Russian interference. The topic is whether there ws any collusion. A sidebar is whether Comey lied about being asked by Trump to make the "Flynn thing" go away. Maybe thats not a "High crime" but its certainly more than a "misdemeanor"

Builder
 
  -1  
Thu 18 May, 2017 03:31 am
@Brandon9000,
With the US military being used willy-nilly all over the planet for "regime change" and various plots and plans by persons of dubious intent, it's high time we all took a good look at how the machinations behind the scenes happen. Trump's chatting with Russia's upper echelon is a forward-planning theme that should be encouraged.

It's not like Putin is threatening war with the west. He wants peace. Even after the Saudi /Israeli/US sanctions, he managed to achieve more against IS in Syria and Iraq, than the US did in five years.
farmerman
 
  4  
Thu 18 May, 2017 03:34 am
@Builder,
Quote:
It's not like Putin is threatening war with the west. He wants peace.
"PEace in our time?"

"Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it" Will Durant spiffed up George's first version above

Builder
 
  0  
Thu 18 May, 2017 03:57 am
@farmerman,
The major mojo problem for the US at this point in history, is the federal reserve creating moolah out of thin air to prop up wall street's problem gamblers.

Russia isn't even on that page, farmerman.
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blatham
 
  5  
Thu 18 May, 2017 04:04 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Just listened to Dennis Kucinich express his belief that America is under attack from within, by deep state actors in the intelligence community.
Apparently he has also been on Fox claiming these people are trying to destroy the Trump presidency
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/17/deep-state-government-destroying-donald-trump-kucinich-says-hannity
Both Hannity and Kucinich are now employed by Fox. Kucinich was recently a guest at CPAC where he and Steve King answered questions put by right wing media reporters.

As to Cohen, you should link data sources you've read.

Back in march, the NYT did a good piece on the emergence of "deep state" in right wing media sources, Breitbart foremost.
Quote:
Yet to Mr. Trump’s allies and supporters, the president is giving voice to a favorite theory.

“We are talking about the emergence of a deep state led by Barack Obama, and that is something that we should prevent,” said Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa. “The person who understands this best is Steve Bannon, and I would think that he’s advocating to make some moves to fix it.”

Mr. King cited as evidence of a thriving deep state Mr. Obama’s decision to stay in Washington after leaving the White House, a decision he said was driven by the former president’s desire to frustrate Mr. Trump’s agenda. (Mr. Obama has said he is remaining in Washington until his younger daughter, Sasha, graduates from high school in 2019.)

Mr. Trump “needs to purge the leftists within the administration that are holdovers from the Obama administration, because it appears that they are undermining his administration and his chances of success,” Mr. King said.
NYT

The utility of this set of notions for supporters of Trump is obvious. But it has utility for others as well. Russia, in its on-going attempts to sew discord in Western nations (covert propaganda campaigns in the US, European nations and re Brexit) has taken significant steps to establish this as a narrative (no small irony in them doing this). But it also has utility for domestic players who wish to discredit the institutions and operations of government, ie the Koch crowd for their own profit-taking motives.

Further, as Hofstadter documents in The Paranoid Style in American Politics this type of notion (of very powerful, secretive agents or agencies controlling government(s) - the TriLateral Commission, the Papacy, the Jewish banking cabal, etc) has a long and rich history in America's far right and sometimes in the far left as well.

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blatham
 
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Thu 18 May, 2017 04:20 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
If you think Chelsea Manning and Joseph Snowden are heroes you're probably big fans of those who operate in the deep state environment.

It's Edward Snowden. But aside from that, you have this exactly backwards which is a very weird mistake to make.

Those of us who initially wrote in defense of Assange's project or who supported Snowden's or Manning's actions were trying to understand and address 1) the dangers arising from the vast expansion of intelligence gathering in the West and 2) the different, though potentially related, set of dangers to citizen democracy arising from institutional alliances between governments and business entities/big money (eg, we would very much have wished to see a release of the transcripts of discussions between Cheney and the petroleum industry people he met with prior to the invasion of Iraq).

 

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