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ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:14 pm
@snood,
Good. I was hoping for such a person, however whatever is found or not.
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layman
 
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Wed 17 May, 2017 05:14 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
cheese snowflakes look so good


Good one!
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:16 pm
@ehBeth,
Who the **** is "the roguestaff twitter account?"
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:16 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
The DOJ just appointed a special counsel to take over the Russia Investigation. Here's crossing my fingers...

I hope Trump finally loses his patience now and launches criminal proceedings over Obama's IRS abuses and Hillary's email abuses.

It is long past time we got some of these Democrats in prison where they belong.
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ossobucotemp
 
  1  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:18 pm
@snood,
I remember his name, being an old californian, so I need to refresh my memory, thanks for the tip.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:18 pm
@layman,
Of course you know and have known for some time that the naming of a Special Counsel won't even act as a speed bump in the Opposition's mad dash to finding Trump guilty and impeaching him.

It probably hurt their fund raising:

"Minority Leader Pelosi is counting on the support ($) of freedom loving Americans now more than ever as she leads the battle to force the conflict tainted Department of Justice to appoint a Special Counsel to lead the investigation into the Russian hacking of our election!!!"

Appointing a Special Counsel is always a risky move because they all seem to have a tendency to not quit until someone gets indicted. Most often its for obstruction of justice (their investigation) and not directly linked to possible crimes they were assigned to investigate. It seems a finding that "there's nothing to see here" is just an impossibility.

Asst AG Comey appointed Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to get to the bottom of who heinously "outted" a CIA agent that everyone on the DC Party Circuit knew was employed by the Agency and then proceeded to seek and win and indictment against Scooter Libby for (what else?) obstruction of justice while the whole time he and Comey knew the guy who unmasked Valerie Plamme was Richard Armitage, the Asst Sec of State

However it will steal a bit of their thunder and does set them back on their heels a bit. I doubt they saw it coming and now instead of constantly demanding a Special Counsel be appointed, they will shift to demanding that the White House fully cooperate with him and not try to interfere with the investigation! That the investigation hasn't even begun and therefore there can't possibly be a reason to think such a demand is necessary is immaterial.

Oh...wait a minute. I forgot that the NYT has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump tried to interfere with the Flynn investigation! What was I thinking? With the gun that is a memo no one has seen, smoking away somewhere in the offices of the FBI, the Dems should absolutely warn Trump and his people that they won't tolerate any monkey business. After all, there will be a whole lot of people "familiar with the story" but who insist on remaining anonymous, who can (and no doubt will) come forward at a minute's notice to read excerpts of a secret memo to a NYT reporter!
layman
 
  -4  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:24 pm
@layman,
I mean WHO is it?

Quote:
An intrepid mole embeds deep within the corridors of power, firing off missives of resistance as authorities work to ferret them out. Will they be apprehended before they save the country from the brink of ruin? If it sounds like the fiction of a heavy-handed spy thriller, that's because it is. Except the medium in this case isn't some paperback airport novel, it's a popular Twitter account: Rogue POTUS Staff.

It is also, like many others before it, almost certainly fake. It makes for a scintillating narrative, but the problem is, there's no evidence that any of the people behind any of these accounts are actually who they say they are, despite numerous attempts by reporters to do just that.

During and after the election, we heard a lot about how conservatives were more likely to fall for fake news, and there's probably some truth to that. But when it comes to the Trump administration, those of us on the left are showing we're willing to swallow nearly anything we hear as well. We're all willing to suspend disbelief when it comes to information that reinforces our existing views, and there are plenty out there looking to capitalize.


http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a52677/alt-rogue-white-house-twitter-accounts/
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snood
 
  6  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:29 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

That was beyond pathetic.

And where are those Coast Guard grads going to work now that Trump has cut funding for the Coast Guard. Some of those kids didn't look real happy.

The really pathetic thing is that the clueless clown was standing there whining about how unfair his life is - to a bunch of young people getting ready to enter active duty in the military. Like he has any inkling of hardship.
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 17 May, 2017 05:53 pm
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/robert-mueller-special-prosecutor-primer


Quote:
Mueller, 72, was appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who was overseeing the investigation after Attorney General Jeff Session recused himself from campaign-related investigation. Though registered as Republican, Mueller has often been described apolitical and is widely respected, with boosters on both sides of the aisle. His appointment as special counsel was immediately met with near-unanimous praise.

When he stepped down as FBI director in 2013, Mueller was the second-longest serving director in its history. He was appointed by George W. Bush in 2001, having served several stints in various US attorney’s offices as well as roles in the Justice Department that included overseeing its criminal division. He was officially sworn in as director only days before the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, though he had been serving as acting director for some time before that. He oversaw a transformation of the agency after the attacks to expand its focus on counter-terrorism and homeland security. In his tenure under the Bush administration, he faced scrutiny over why the 9/11 attacks weren’t prevented, oversaw the handling of the anthrax crisis and expanded the federal government’s surveillance and detention procedures.

His 10-year term was extended for two years by President Obama, who praised him for “extraordinary leadership and effectiveness.”


more at the link


____


interesting detail

Mueller can not be fired by the president. He is covered by civil service protection.



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ehBeth
 
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Wed 17 May, 2017 05:57 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.4119642

link to tonight's AIH interview with John Dean - transcript not up yet
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 17 May, 2017 05:59 pm
@ehBeth,


within the last hour ...


Quote:
CREDIBILITY WATCH: Ryan and McCarthy spokesmen both flatly denied, then were told @washingtonpost had a recording, changed answers.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Wed 17 May, 2017 06:40 pm
@ehBeth,
"word is?"

Is that similar to the "word" that was Rosenstein threatened to resign over the White House's explanation of the Comey firing? The "word" that Rosenstein denied?

Orthopedic specialists must make a killing in DC. The effects within the town of the antics of Jim Comey alone must have paid for the tuition costs of a lot of DC doctors' kids, and so soon afterwards they're gifted with Rosenstein.

First Rosenstein's a great guy who was confirmed by a bi-partisan vote in the Senate of 94-6. Then Comey is fired and he's a bum who has the stink of Trump corruption all over him

(Every single Dem Senator I saw on TV blasting the guy and demanding he assign a Special Counsel led off with the same statement: "Yes I voted to confirm AAG Rosenstein and at that time I thought he was a great guy but now..." I have to hand it to the Dems though. They coordinate their talking points at the speed of light and few, if any, go off script.)

Now, as long as the word is he did it without telling Sessions, he'll no doubt be a great guy once again.

Mueller must be a great guy because Obama extended his term by two years, AND he was right beside James Comey threatening Pres. Bush that he would resign if the White House overruled a Department of Justice finding that domestic wiretapping without a court warrant was unconstitutional. That won't last for very long once the inevitable leaks start flowing; if one of them is that Mueller is weighing the possibility of wrapping the case up without calling a Grand Jury.

It's an interesting selection. He's got a great resume and is even a War Hero. Of course he's "widely respected" in Washington, but then so was James Comey and Rod Rosenstein...until they disappointed the Democrats and then they weren't.

Great-Guy-Again Rosenstein (whether or not he consulted Sessions) wasn't about to select anyone who would immediately give Democrats a reason to squeal. He has too much professional integrity and he doesn't want to go from great guy (announcing the appointed of a Special Counsel) back to bum (announcing the appointee is Michael Cohen) only a moment after he was back in the Dem's good graces.

With Comey having become a central figure now in the investigation (a position he seems to crave as was suggested by one of his former colleagues in a WaPo interview) I wonder if and how that will influence Mueller? They previously worked together and essentially competed against one another and so it's possible that Mueller has a high regard for Comey or knows him to be a schmuck. Regardless of any personal relationship, they both held the same top job at the FBI and I would imagine Mueller was able to empathize with Comey in terms of the pretty shabby way Trump treated him in the context of the firing. He could think Comey is a showboating opportunist (as the fellow interviewed by WaPo does), but still enter the investigation with a lousy taste in his mouth about the White House's treatment of a fellow FBI Director. As well, Comey followed Mueller into the position and one could speculate (for fun) that if he had no use for the man, he would have advised Obama not to appoint him. Of course this presupposes Obama thought Mueller was a great guy and the end of his two year extension. Obviously there is also the possibility that Mueller will remain entirely objective throughout the entire investigation and unlike billions of his fellow humans not allow personal distaste (for Comey or Trump) influence his thinking at all.

The greatest service he can provide his nation (other than of course getting to the actual bottom of the whole matter) is to do so as rapidly and as thoroughly as possible and with an absolute minimum of drama. The MSM will obsess (even more than I thought was humanly possible) over every development, statement, memo, rumor and leak connected to the investigation and while it may be great fun for them, a dragged out process filled with expeditions through the weeds and down dead end paths will not only be very expensive for taxpayers, it will interfere with the workings of governments. We already heard idiots like Elizabeth Warren and Chuckie Schumer insist that Scalia's SC seat should remain vacant until the Russian Investigation was complete and there's every reason to believe they will trot this nonsense out over and over again with each program and appointment the president attempts. They will be hoping and (if possible) working to drag it out until the 2020 election, Republicans and most Americans, I believe, will want it wrapped up as soon as possible (A minimum of 12 to 18 months) As for drama, Special Counsels/Prosecutors like Fitzgerald and Ken Starr seemed to overly enjoy the limelight, and generated endless, vitriolic and tiresome debate among media talking heads. Hopefully Mueller is not cut from that cloth.

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layman
 
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Wed 17 May, 2017 06:45 pm
@oralloy,


Yeah, these cheese-eaters should be more careful in what they wish for (demand), eh? From your cite:

Quote:
It’s not appreciated enough that such an appointment could well turn into a shield for wrongdoing. A special prosecutor could wrap the investigation of the Trump-Russia matter in secrecy for months and years—and ultimately fail to answer any of the important questions demanding answers.

Of all the types of independent investigation that have been suggested, a special prosecutor is the most likely to disappear down rabbit holes—the least likely answer the questions that needed to be answered.

A special prosecutor seeks crimes. The criminal law is a heavy tool, and for that reason it is thickly encased in protections for accused persons. The most important protection from the point of view of the Trump-Russia matter is the rule of silence. A prosecutor investigating a crime can often discover non-criminal bad actions by the people he is investigating. If those bad actions do not amount to crimes, the prosecutor is supposed to look away.


From CNN:
Quote:
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell rejected Wednesday any calls for a new investigation by a special prosecutor into alleged ties between Russia and the Trump campaign in the wake of the President's decision to fire FBI Director James Comey.

McConnell said "too much is at stake" to halt an investigation already in progress, though some in his own party appear to leave the door open to such a process.

The Kentucky Republican said from the Senate floor such an investigation into Russian meddling into the US election last year would "only serve to impede the current work being done to not only discover what the Russians may have done but also to let this body and the national security community develop counter measures."

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio said that a special prosecutor could later be warranted but wanted the Senate intelligence committee to finish its investigation first.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/politics/congress-james-comey/

I don't know the required procedures, but I'm getting the impression that the appointment of a special prosecutor serves to dissolve or suspend the activities of "select committees" in congress.

Where are the cheese-eaters gunna get their daily grist of information to distort if there are no public hearings, with congressmen and the MSN spinning them? Looks like they may have done fucked up, eh?
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layman
 
  -3  
Wed 17 May, 2017 07:08 pm
Quote:
"As I have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know – there was no collusion between my campaign and any foreign entity," President Trump said in a statement in reaction to the DOJ announcement. "I look forward to this matter concluding quickly. In the meantime, I will never stop fighting for the people and the issues that matter most to the future of our country."
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blatham
 
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Wed 17 May, 2017 07:22 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Enemies from within have launched a “deep-state” smear campaign

I have not bumped into this term until the last few months. The wikipedia entry is little help in ascertaining prior use but it seems to have been used infrequently and mainly in regards to authoritarian regimes (eg Russia) with serious police-state operations or nations that have developed vast and intrusive intelligence operations.

But we now see it being popularized in rightwing media coincident with the failures and scandals of the Trump administration and with the broad criticism of Trump across almost all mainstream media (though before the nomination and election, there was sustained criticism of Trump in key right wing media entities as well) and because people in his administration and people in government agencies are leaking information to a degree nobody has apparently seen before.

We are going to see this term "deep state" a lot from the right. It serves two key purposes in now the right wants to understand what is going on right now as regards the chaos surrounding and emanating from Trump:

1) "deep" suggests invisible powers determining events, narratives, policies etc
2) "state" suggests that these invisible powers live within the operations of government (rather than, say, Wall St or the big banks or powerful business interests or lobbyists etc)

Thus, anti-statist ideas are validated while the machinations of big money are conveniently ignored.

Also ignored, of course, is everything being reported as regards Trump, his family and his administration and how the GOP has become so corrupted that they continue, so far, to support all of this.

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blatham
 
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Wed 17 May, 2017 07:29 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
CREDIBILITY WATCH: Ryan and McCarthy spokesmen both flatly denied, then were told @washingtonpost had a recording, changed answers.
Should be an interesting recording - weasels speaking english.
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Lash
 
  0  
Wed 17 May, 2017 07:34 pm
"Deep state" is used mostly by progressives referring to the oligarchy and their minions (like the military industrial complex) and those elitist few who get bank on the bullshit being perpetrated by our government.

The right glommed onto the term because, currently, the DNC and the media are the ones making hay by serving the Deep State. This is probably THE ONLY THING the GOP has in their favor.
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layman
 
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Wed 17 May, 2017 07:35 pm
How many times during the campaign did the MSN flatly declare that Trump was "absolutely finished," with no conceivable chance of winning, after some Trump tweet or comment in a speech? They believed their own horseshit and are hence still trying to deny that Trump "really" won the election.

They're at it again, with their infallible prognostication, eh?

Quote:
The Trump Presidency Falls Apart

After an astonishing week of revelations, Donald Trump’s presidency appears to be on the verge of collapse.

Consider what has happened just in the last 10 days: a string of damaging stories about a president unprecedented since at least the Nixon administration.

He knows little about his work and shows little interest in learning it, and his staff, an oddball mix of true believers, political rookies, and fourth-rate hangers on, does not have the chops to whip him into shape.

Trump is in no position to save himself. Trump has nearly run out of credible defenders. It’s hard to see clear seas for Trump in the near future.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/all-the-kings-men/526980/

Rave on, cheese-eaters.

The guy has the temerity to publish this, even while admitting how wrong he has been in the past. Go figure, eh?

Quote:
We’ve seen this all before. On August 3, this magazine—and this writer—announced, “The Donald Trump campaign is unraveling.” It was true, and yet it didn’t matter. Trump managed to win the presidential election in November, losing the popular vote but easily winning the electoral vote. The campaign showed that Trump is incredibly resilient. He survived a succession of crises that would have ended the candidacy of any other presidential hopeful—especially the release of a tape in which he bragged about committing sexual assault.
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