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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Thu 4 May, 2017 10:31 am
@Lash,
An how unfortunate is it that he's the one that rose to lead the rebellion?
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 11:08 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Hook me up, will you? For that kind of money, I too can say things like "I believe some protesters are shemales from Mars. Can I prove it? No."
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 11:09 am
@Olivier5,
Sorry but you would never make the cut.

It really is absurd that you are having so much difficulty with me expressing a belief which I admit I can't prove.
blatham
 
  4  
Thu 4 May, 2017 11:25 am
@revelette1,
If passed, still has to make it through the Senate which most everyone thinks is unlikely.

This is worth attending to if only as a study in propaganda but that's an important aspect of how the GOP now operates.

Quote:
A Republican congressman admitted Thursday that he hadn’t read Republicans’ bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, despite announcing his intent to vote for it Wednesday.

“Oh, gosh, let’s put it this way, people in my office have read all the parts of the bill,” Rep. Tom Garrett (R-VA) told MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle. “I don’t think any individual has read the whole bill, but that’s why we have staff.”

Garrett earlier told Ruhle, referencing the passage of Obamacare, that “I have said all along that it was sort of hypocrisy for us to lament passing a bill to find out what’s in it and do the same thing.”

But he insisted members of Congress had “several months to sort of wrap our brains around this.”
TPM
After the ACA was passed under Obama, the right wing media and politicos and then countless right wing supporters on sites like this one parroted the "no one has even read the bill" line. If you queried these posters regarding other bills and who will have read them top to bottom, you would not get anything close to a thoughtful or rational answer. That's because those people posting had been trained to NOT think rationally.

There's educational value in Garrett now being honest about the process of how a bill gets reviewed (though lobbyists are often involved as well which he doesn't say) but we need to understand that he (or others) saying it at this point is obviously not because of some notion that a well-educated electorate is in everyone's best interest - he's explaining it now because he/they must account for the earlier ACA propaganda line (which works against them here).
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 4 May, 2017 11:37 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
In my pre-post-truth world it's still called spreading baseless accusations.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 11:49 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I admit I am terrified this awful health care bill is going to pass.

Really? They changed it to get the support of far right Republicans instead of changing it to get the support of moderate democrats.

How in the world will a bill like that get 50 votes in the Senate?


revelette1 wrote:
I can say goodbye to doctors...

I don't think that would be the case even if this bill does become law.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 12:42 pm
Paul Ryan, 2009
Quote:
"I don't think we should pass bills that we haven't read, that we don't know what they cost."


Mike Pence, 2009
Quote:
"Don't blame us, we didn't read the bill we voted for."


House Republicans, 2010
Quote:
Question: Will Speaker Pelosi Wait for the “Final Number” from the CBO? http://bit.ly/9JPTeJ
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Blickers
 
  7  
Thu 4 May, 2017 01:18 pm
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:
How in the world will a bill like that get 50 votes in the Senate?

They'll probably try in the Senate what worked in the House-arm twist the Republicans who plan to vote against it. Promise them no financial help from the Republican National Committee when they run again and threaten to run a conservative opposed to Obamacare in a primary when the Senator tries for re-election.

Good chance it will work, unless the Democrats and the Resistance manage to bring home to the voters just how disastrous the Republican bill really is. Or maybe Trump might decide that he really doesn't want to have the GOP bill passed because it will hurt his re-election chances, but he doesn't want the blame for killing it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 01:21 pm
@Olivier5,
Respectfully, get stuffed.
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roger
 
  1  
Thu 4 May, 2017 01:54 pm
@Debra Law,
I would say the kid's got you pretty well trained.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 02:13 pm
@Debra Law,
Trump does allow that, perhaps, Abe Lincoln is the one president who was his equal.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 4 May, 2017 02:35 pm
@blatham,
Washington, FDR, and Lincoln were all equal to Trump.
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Debra Law
 
  4  
Thu 4 May, 2017 03:13 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

I would say the kid's got you pretty well trained.


Yes. He is pacified with one piece of candy, and then he goes back to tweeting inanities or watching Fox News. That's better than having him go nuclear.
roger
 
  4  
Thu 4 May, 2017 03:44 pm
@Debra Law,
He tweets. He watches Fox news. He poops his pants. There's something wrong in there, somewhere.
revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 4 May, 2017 04:23 pm
@oralloy,
I am one of the ones with a pre-existing condition, a couple of them in fact. I know if it passes there is no way I am going to be afford to buy into insurance, much less treatment with my husband retired on a small pension. So yes, I can say goodbye to doctors if this bill passes the senate. With the way politics have gone lately, it will pass. God help us.

They kept talking about all the insurance companies leaving the exchanges, why not go to single payer and eliminate that worry right quick? Wish people would start huge protest like the women's march to not pass this bill and work on fixing Obamacare.
jcboy
 
  8  
Thu 4 May, 2017 05:06 pm
217 Heartless Republicans in the House just screwed millions and millions of Americans! And, they didn't use a condom! I hope you remember these jackasses in 2018!
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 05:13 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I am one of the ones with a pre-existing condition, a couple of them in fact.

I'm pretty sure that if you have insurance now, and you keep it, you no longer have a preexisting condition.

You will only have a preexisting condition once again if you drop your current coverage and go without any insurance for a period of time.

You might actually find it cheaper to buy from the exchange if this passes, because you will start getting a big tax credit to offset some of your insurance premiums.


revelette1 wrote:
They kept talking about all the insurance companies leaving the exchanges, why not go to single payer and eliminate that worry right quick? Wish people would start huge protest like the women's march to not pass this bill and work on fixing Obamacare.

The Left doesn't understand what single payer even means. It is just a slogan that they use.
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jcboy
 
  8  
Thu 4 May, 2017 05:36 pm
@Olivier5,
I find arguments with Republicans are mostly wasted on me. I find them to be like a toddler's fits about why he should have ALL the cookies in the jar. Cool
reasoning logic
 
  -3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 05:39 pm
@jcboy,
Quote:
I find arguments with Republicans are mostly wasted on me.


What is your intellectually honest view about the DNC?

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reasoning logic
 
  -3  
Thu 4 May, 2017 05:45 pm
Do not believe everything you hear. What an obvious statement?

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