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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 07:24 am
@hightor,
Just saw your post now. Hopefully addressed in my post just above.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 07:31 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Well yes, if I was a journalist publishing a report, but I'm not.

I was asked what my idea was, and I provided it.
The question is: why does this idea sit in your noggin? Something(s) or someone(s) have led you to the supposition. If evidence is absent that's a problem because there certainly would be lots of people involved and lots of other people working to sniff it out.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 07:50 am
@georgeob1,
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You mean as you so assiduously provide in your many vague references to the political activities of the Koch Brothers ??? Yeah sure.

Well, george, given that I've been studying this for nearly two decades (and have included in this thread dozens of links to supporting data) and given that you refuse - absolutely - to read anything whatsoever about the Koch political operations or address what is broadly known (eg, their public admission that they would invest a hair short of a billion dollars in the 2016 elections) you'll have to forgive me for considering that your comments and thinking on the matter have about as much value as a Sarah Palin commentary on Max Weber. Why heck, I could even suggest to you that you are an intellectual coward.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 07:54 am
Now, for those who are not yet entirely in a state of despair regarding who is sitting in the WH presently, a read of this transcript from Trump's interview on CBS's Face the Nation will do the trick abandon all hope ye who enter here
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 08:05 am
Weekend winner in the "That guy?! What the hell would that guy know?! He's so much dumber about everything than super-genius Donald Trump!" category
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Reagan Adviser Slams Trump Rally Speech As ‘Most Divisive Ever’ From A President
David Gergen says Trump’s message to Americans who didn’t vote for him was: “I don’t give a damn what you think.”
HP
Trump really is so much like Abe Lincoln. "Honest Don" - that's what everyone calls him. And you really have to respect his followers. At the event, Trump said, "We have a lot of people standing outside" and that he "Broke the all time record" for that arena. And they probably believed Honest Don even if their eyes yelled at their brains on the topic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-nnMRwXUAAygTq.jpg
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Lash
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 08:35 am
@Lash,
It didn't take long to get cringeworthy...
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 08:40 am
Trump's "very friendly" new buddy, Rodrigo Duterte.
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Rodrigo Duterte has warned journalists in the Philippines that they are legitimate targets for assassination if they do wrong, in the President-elect's latest controversial comments ahead of being sworn into office later this month.
Duterte was asked during a press conference Tuesday how he would address the country's high murder rate for journalists, reports Agence France-Presse. "Just because you're a journalist you are not exempted from assassination, if you're a son of a bitch," he replied.
Time
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President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines confirmed on Friday that he had personally pulled the trigger and killed three people as mayor of Davao City, doubling down on boastful comments he made this week, which loyalists had tried to deny.

“I killed about three of them because there were three of them,” Mr. Duterte told reporters at a news conference in Manila, the capital. “I don’t really know how many bullets from my gun went inside their bodies.”

“It happened. I cannot lie about it,” he said in English.
NYT - and note the "honesty"
thing again: Honest Abe, Honest Don, Honest Rodrigo


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“I was angry because she was raped, that’s one thing. But she was so beautiful, the mayor should have been first. What a waste.” The mayor to whom he was referring, by the way, is himself, Rodrigo “Digong” Duterte, mayor of Davao City on the southern island of Mindanao in the Philippines.
WP

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Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday compared his campaign to kill criminals to the Holocaust, saying he would like to "slaughter" millions of addicts just like Adolf Hitler "massacred" millions of Jewish people.
WP
These two guys are going to get on really, really well. It'll be terrific.

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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 08:59 am
Please, allow me to present a shining example of the orderly and coherent mind. And here, the thing is made even more grand and worthy of respect through the personal characteristic of honesty driven by a profound moral sensibility.
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Trump raised the allegation (re Obama illegally ordering surveillance of Trump Tower) in his interview without prompting, but then appeared unwilling to discuss it further when CBS anchor John Dickerson asked him if he stood by the accusation.

“I don't stand by anything. I just -- you can take it the way you want. I think our side's been proven very strongly. And everybody's talking about it. And frankly it should be discussed,” Trump said. “That is a very big surveillance of our citizens. I think it's a very big topic. And it's a topic that should be number one. And we should find out what the hell is going on.”

When Dickerson pressed Trump for further details, the president replied that “you don’t have to ask me” because “I have my own opinions. You can have your own opinions.”
Politico
One simply cannot come away from such words and sentences without being smarter, wiser and just an all around better person.
Baldimo
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 09:37 am
@farmerman,
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thats the theory that makes car insurance work. EVERYBODY HAS TO CArry IT SO THE RISK POOLS ARE part of the economics

Except there are no federal mandates on car insurance and there are far more options based on varying risk pools in the car insurance market, age, driver history, type of car and based on where you live different risks for getting into an accident or having your vehicle stolen or broken into. There is much more freedom in the car insurance market than there is in the health insurance market, car insurance doesn't use artificial risk pools.
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 09:43 am
@hightor,
Don't forget the Hispanics use the term "coconut", brown on the outside but white on the inside. Back in the late 80's and 90's when rap music was becoming mainstream, thank you NWA and Eazy E, there were a group of white kids at my high school who called themselves wiggers. They dressed and acted like they were from Compton but were middle class white kids from Littleton CO.
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revelette1
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 10:01 am
@blatham,
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President Donald Trump wondered aloud why the U.S. ever fought the Civil War, in a radio interview released Monday.


"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?" Trump told the Washington Examiner's Salena Zito. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

Trump praised President Andrew Jackson, who is known to be one of Trump's favorite predecessors. He posited had Jackson, who served from 1829 to 1837, come later in history he would have stopped the conflict -- the bloodiest in U.S. history -- that occurred from 1861 to 1865.


I mean had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart," Trump said.


The president added that Jackson "was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, 'There's no reason for this,'" although Jackson died in 1845, more than 15 years before the formal outbreak of the conflict.



Questions about slavery and states' rights plagued the early republic, however; it's possible Trump was referring to such division.

The election of previously little-known, slavery-critic Abraham Lincoln from Illinois in 1860 set in motion the secession crisis that started the war that would kill more than 600,000.


Trump's comments will likely provide fodder for his critics who charge that he is ideologically unmoored, or even racially insensitive.


"It's generally assumed that a deal to avert the Civil War would have included concessions to Southern states having to do with their right to own slaves — the central dispute of the Civil War," the Washington Post noted. "Is Trump saying he would have been okay with a more partial or gradual phasing out of slavery? Was there really a deal to be cut on that front?"



USN
Olivier5
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 12:04 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
That's very different from the defaming link you originally posted. And it's nothing new. Social movements have been organized since what, antiquity?

Do you think the civil right movement, the Nation of Islam or the Southern Christian Leadership Conference never organized a sit-in, back in the 60's?

Closer to us, how much of what you describe applies to the Tea party movement and its dependency on the vast coffers of the Koch brothers?
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 12:49 pm
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US President Donald Trump has described North Korean leader Kim Jong-un as a "pretty smart cookie".

Speaking to CBS, he noted Mr Kim had assumed power at a young age, despite dealing with "some very tough people".

Amid escalating tensions over North Korea's nuclear programme, he said he had "no idea" whether Mr Kim was sane.

The North Korean leader had his uncle executed two years after he came to power, and is suspected of ordering the recent killing of his half-brother.

President Trump, asked what he made of the North Korean leader, answered,"People are saying: 'Is he sane?' I have no idea.... but he was a young man of 26 or 27... when his father died. He's dealing with obviously very tough people, in particular the generals and others.

"And at a very young age, he was able to assume power. A lot of people, I'm sure, tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else. And he was able to do it. So obviously, he's a pretty smart cookie."

The interview on the Face the Nation show came after North Korea's second failed ballistic missile test in two weeks, in which a missile exploded shortly after it was launched on Saturday.

When asked why the missiles "keep blowing up", Mr Trump said: "I'd rather not discuss it."

"We shouldn't be announcing all our moves," he said. "It is a chess game. I just don't want people to know what my thinking is."

North Korea is believed to be continuing efforts to miniaturise nuclear warheads and fit them on long-range missiles capable of reaching the US.
Tensions in the region have increased lately, with both North and South Korea conducting military exercises.

America sent warships to the region and began installing a controversial anti-missile system in South Korea earlier this week.

On Sunday, an article from Pyongyang's state-run news agency KCNA urged the US to "ponder over the catastrophic consequences to be entailed by their foolish military provocation".

North Korea has carried out repeated missile tests in recent months and is threatening to conduct its sixth nuclear test.

President Trump said the US was "not going to be very happy" if further tests were carried out. When asked whether this would mean military action he said: "I don't know. I mean, we'll see."
Mr Trump said the Chinese President Xi Jinping, an ally of North Korea, was "putting pressure" on Mr Kim to scale back his nuclear and military activities.

"But so far, perhaps nothing's happened and perhaps it has," he said.

He again hailed the ties he has been developing with China, a country he criticised heavily during his election campaign.

"The relationship I have with China, it's been already acclaimed as being something very special, something very different than we've ever had," Mr Trump said.

When asked whether he would fulfil his campaign pledge to label China a currency manipulator, he said "as soon as I got elected, they stopped", but implied he did not want to jeopardise Chinese co-operation on North Korea.

"North Korea is maybe more important than trade. Trade is very important. But massive warfare with millions, potentially millions of people being killed? That, as we would say, trumps trade."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39764834

Sounds a bit like he's thinking of a deal, but any deal with NK involves paying them money. Will the American people accept that?
blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 01:53 pm
@revelette1,
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"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War?"
In fact, it wasn't until that very interview Trump did with the Washington Examiner that anyone had ever delved into the causal factors of the American Civil War. No one had ever thought to ask this question! But super-geniuses are so terribly rare and it seems entirely possible that no one ever would have directed such penetrating insight to the matter if Donald Trump hadn't done so. Historians of America will mark this day and their discipline will never be the same. Oh, praise be unto Jesus that He delivered such a man unto us.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 01:55 pm
@izzythepush,
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Sounds a bit like he's thinking
That's an optimistic take.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 02:22 pm
And now Bill Shine is gone from Fox.

This is all about Murdoch's desire for full control of Sky in Britain. And as I said before, if Ofcom gives the OK (after everything we've learned about Fox operations there and and elsewhere) that will be the indicator that Rupert's corruption of Brit power and politics is not markedly diminished.
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For most of the last 10 years, the Murdoch family, which controls 21st Century Fox, has wanted one thing for its global media empire above all else: the complete ownership of the popular and highly profitable Sky satellite and cable network.

Sky is the dominant pay television system here, a hub for Premier League soccer, movies, and networks like Fox News, MTV and Zee Punjabi. It was Rupert Murdoch who founded Sky, and 21st Century Fox already owns part of it.

Owning it outright, however, would give the Murdochs an important new cash generator to feed the rapacious appetite for growth and conquest that has made their family business the most influential media conglomerate in the world — one that helped hasten Britain’s “Brexit” from the European Union and helped deliver Donald J. Trump to the White House.

But three words threaten to stand in the way: “fit and proper.”

“Fit and proper” is that so-perfectly British standard by which regulators here decide whether a company should be allowed to gain and retain broadcast licenses.
NYT
I think there is no other individual with greater responsibility for the degradation of political discourse and civility in the English-speaking world than this guy.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 02:33 pm
Nobody knows about honor like Trump knows about honor. Political people would never say that but I am saying it.
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President Donald Trump on Monday said that he is open to meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un under the right circumstances.

“If it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, I would absolutely, I would be honored to do it,” he told Bloomberg News. “If it’s under the, again, under the right circumstances. But I would do that.”

Trump acknowledged that “political people would never say that.”
TPM
Maybe Kim Jong Un and Duterte can honor Trump with a visit to Mar a Lago at the same time. There'd be so much honor in this that we'd probably get tired of all the honor.
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 02:42 pm
This is just too good. Must read!

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‘Donald Trump’s Civil War’ by Ken Burns
WP
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 04:49 pm
Please pardon me for this. I don't like to paste longish pieces here but now and again I read something which I think is important enough and bright enough to make it easily available for folks reading here. This is from Jay Rosen at his Pressthink blog. I've bolded what I think is the most important insight.
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“The Trump White House has turned into a kind of playground for the press.”
More than 35 White House correspondents spoke to Politico about what it's like for them. They want you to know they're having a blast.

24 APR 2017
On CNN’s Reliable Sources this week Trump’s “contentious relationship with the press” was said to be back in the spotlight because of the upcoming marker of the First Hundred Days on April 28. Host Brian Stelter asked if there had been “some softening of the president’s anti-media position” since Trump’s inauguration in January, citing as evidence a recent interview he gave to Maggie Haberman and Glenn Thrush of the New York Times.

Thrush said: “I never bought the shtick in the first place, that he hated the media.”

The “slap and tickle” approach, as Thrush called it, has been standard operating procedure for Trump from the days when they were coming up together in the New York tabloids: Haberman, Thrush and Trump. Stelter came back to the question: “Could we make the case that things have not been as bad as they could have been between the press and the president?” After all, Press Secretary Sean Spicer conducts daily on camera briefings. And Trump gives interviews to news brands other than Fox. Not the war that we thought was coming, right?

That same day Politico posted a more in-depth version of this argument, based on more than 35 interviews with members of the White House press corps, most of whom would not let their names be used. Politico’s lengthy account, by Ben Schreckinger and Hadas Gold, is a kind of status report from inside the castle on how the people who are there to inform the public feel about the “slap and tickle” style of press relations.

It is a fascinating document, well worth reading for what it reveals about the operation of the Trump White House. Also hugely dismaying for what it does not say, and for what the people inside the castle apparently cannot see. Since this is also the week of the White House Correspondent’s dinner (April 28) I thought I would annotate Politico’s report: talk back to it, and to the people who are speaking to us through it.

The main theme of Politico’s account is that in public Trump is always having bitter clashes with the press. But the real story — the inside story — is quite different. Oh, the irony!

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On the campaign trail, Trump called the press “dishonest” and “scum.” He defended Russian strongman Vladimir Putin against charges of murdering journalists and vowed to somehow “open up our libel laws” to weaken the First Amendment. Since taking office, he has dismissed unfavorable coverage as “fake news” and described the mainstream media as “the enemy of the American people…” Not since Richard Nixon has an American president been so hostile to the press— and Nixon largely limited his rants against the media to private venting with his aides.

But behind that theatrical assault, the Trump White House has turned into a kind of playground for the press. We interviewed more than three dozen members of the White House press corps, along with White House staff and outside allies, about the first whirlwind weeks of Trump’s presidency. Rather than a historically toxic relationship, they described a historic gap between the public perception and the private reality.

It’s a “playground” because starting with the man at the top they all care desperately about how they are depicted in the news media, because the different factions are always knifing each other by going to the press, because the leaking is like nothing anyone has seen before, and because they’re incompetent at almost everything they try to do. Put it all together and you get a fount of juicy stories: palace intrigue, constant backstabbing, spectacular screw-ups by clueless amateurs, and no end of sources because so much of the action in the Trump White House flows through the news media.

To which I say:
http://pressthink.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1-3_QvkOz7F0y-ZdXSlemIbg.png
While you’re enjoying your playground, what are you doing about this chart? This is what Glenn Thrush (“I never bought the shtick in the first place, that he hated the media…”) doesn’t seem to understand. Trump’s hating-on-the-media posture is not supposed to convince Thrush. It’s binge-worthy programming for core supporters of the president, catnip to their confirmation bias, extra insurance that anything damaging uncovered by the Times and its peers will be dismissed out of hand by 25 to 40 percent of the electorate.

That Trump is insincere in his hate speech about journalists is not the most important fact — for journalists — about that way of speaking. But you wouldn’t know this from Politico’s account, which fixates on the irony of a president who says he despises the press when actually he craves its approval. (His narcissism would explain that.) Trump’s hate speech about journalists matters because it is part of a program to substitute his reality for reality itself, word of which doesn’t seem to have reached the playground.

Politico further reports that Trump is cordial to reporters in person. (Oh, the irony!) Steve Bannon even sends “crush notes to journalists to let them know they’ve nailed a story.” Sean Spicer maintains bonhomie with many of them. Meanwhile, the staff is “too divided and too obsessed with their own images” to really crack down on the media. “And for all the frustration of covering an administration with a shaky grasp on the truth and a boss whose whims can shift from one moment to the next, reporters have feasted on the conflict and chaos.”

It is indeed a feast. But let’s remember why those reporters are there. They are not there to stuff themselves with story. The White House press corps is supposed to be part of a reality check upon the executive. By asking inconvenient questions, digging up dirt, cultivating diverse sources, and revealing what’s going on behind scenes that are arranged for public consumption, the press screws with the president’s effort to present to the country an image of perfect mastery and pleasing consistency, which of course can never be real.

By answering difficult questions and trying to repair the breach between what’s in the news and what’s said from official podiums, the White House is willy-nilly — and always imperfectly — brought into better contact with an observable and shared reality. That’s the hope, anyway. That’s the logic of the system. That’s what legitimates the permanent presence of the press within the White House. Politico seems to have forgotten all of this. It ignores questions of civic purpose to focus instead on the delicious irony of a press that is publicly despised and privately cultivated:

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The great secret of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is that Trump’s war on the media is a phony one, a reality show that keeps his supporters fired up and distracted while he woos the constituency that really matters to him: journalists.

We get it. His pose of complete contempt for the press is largely fake. Like everything else he does. But what matters to the nation is not whether Trump has a neurotic crush on Maggie Haberman and hate watches CNN late at night, it’s whether anything journalists do forces the president or the White House to become a little more reality-based, a little more accountable, a little more likely to give reasons for its actions, or to explain what it’s actual policy choices are. On this score, has the press corps had any success at all? It appears not.

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“If you’re doing anything involving any sort of palace intrigue, they are crazy cooperative,” said one reporter, voicing a common observation. “But if you have any sort of legitimate question, if you need a yes or no answer on policy, they’re impossible.”

So it’s a feast for journalists if the story is about who’s up and who’s down inside the castle. But if it’s about decisions that might affect the lives of Americans, no feast. “They’re impossible.” Notice how — according to Politico — Trump’s real constituency is journalists, but not to the extent that their questions about policy would get answered. Not to the extent that speaking truth to the American people makes any difference to the Trump government:

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One reporter said he has been surprised to find that background information from Trump White House officials is more reliable than what they say on the record, a reversal from previous administrations that he has covered. Especially unreliable is anything said on camera, as it is most likely to be seen by Trump, who watches television religiously. By the end of March, according to a Politico Magazine analysis, Spicer had uttered 51 unique falsehoods or misleading statements in his press briefings, on topics ranging from voter fraud to Obamacare to Trump’s Russia ties.

“Especially unreliable is anything said on camera.” In other words, the more likely it is to reach the public, the greater the chances that it’s false. “Through it all, Spicer has been unfailingly loyal— defending all of Trump’s most risible lies and baseless contentions despite the snickering of his frenemies in the press corps.”

Great job, guys. You’re snickering. Sean’s lying. (But you have access!) And if the president says it, it’s likely to be false. Who’s the bully on this playground?

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“Media companies, meanwhile, have been laughing all the way to the bank. In the weeks after the election, the New York Times reported it was adding new subscribers at 10 times the normal pace. The Wall Street Journal reported a 300 percent spike in new subscriptions on the day after Trump’s victory… According to CNN, the network’s total audience in the first quarter of 2017 is the highest it has been in any first quarter since 2003, when the United States launched its invasion of Iraq. As for Trump’s preferred network, the first quarter of 2017 was the best three months Fox News has ever had.”

Turns out “slap and tickle” is a commercial hit. The irony!
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blatham
 
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Mon 1 May, 2017 07:20 pm
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Eric Kleefeld‏ @EricKleefeld 5h5 hours ago
What sort of person would dedicate their political energy to cutting off vulnerable people from getting health care?
 

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