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camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:31 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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You didn't answer my question.

This is becoming a pattern.


This bit of fuzzy deception is becoming your go to favorite.

Lucky you, Finn, you have oralloy on your side.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:31 am
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

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camlok: You are the guy who would see all Syrians murdered to save your grandson.

Finn: Guilty as charged.


How many times should such deep evil be pointed out?


Once, but then you've proven over and over again that you don't care if you are boring the members here to tears.
oralloy
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:35 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
The debate today involves the effects of the expected warming (both good and bad) and what to do about it. There's no shortage of BS on either side of this argument. The tradeoffs involve effectiveness in reducing warming, cost and the side effects of proposed "solutions" on the sustained life and welfare of the earth's 7 billion human inhabitants. Current policies involving reducing energy demand and "renewable" wind & solar technologies will not solve the problem without massive adverse effects on humanity, and all that goes with it. Time and expected new technologies are factors that should be considered, along with the often little noticed adverse effects of subsidies for current marginally effective technologies on investment in newer, better ones. The rejection by environmentalists of proven technologies such as nuclear power should also be reevaluated.

One thing we should consider is putting inert particles in the upper atmosphere to block a portion of incoming sunlight, thus countering the problem painlessly.

But yes regarding nuclear. The liberals won't admit this, but they plan to have the shortfalls of renewable energy capability result in power shortages that the people will simply "accept".

But the people are not going to accept power shortages. If the shortfalls of renewable capability are not met with nuclear or fracked natural gas, they'll be addressed with coal.
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camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
That is lame, Finn.

Now to the issue about how you don't understand how science works and how you were/are too frightened to address the science that scares you all to death.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

And most scientists supporting CC are looking to preserve their government grants.

That applies to all scientists, whatever their field, and yet we can trust biologists and astronomers to (most of times) not deform their findings to please their governments. Scientists go by a certain ethic, you know?

Besides, most governments would be delighted to get studies showing GW is a minor threat. They would be totally OK to fund such research. The incentives to exagerate GW are therefore very weak. Much weaker than the incentives by Big Oil to minimize GW. And it's a fact that there is a large disinformation industry funded by oil companies to deny GW.

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Even with a president as committed to the notion as Obama, the US refused to do what the "experts" say must be done to stave off CC effects, and this doesn't even take into consideration China, Russia and India.

Yes. Dismal American leadership on this issue.

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The means to stop the predicted calamity are not going to materialize, so you probably should start hoping the "deniers" are right, or get behind the currently feeble mitigation efforts.

What you and I hope is pretty irrelevant in this matter.

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BTW - What is France doing about CC?

The carbon footprint of the average Frenchman is 5.1 ton per year. That's 3 times less than the average American: 16.1 ton per year (2015 data acording to Wikipedia). That's primarily because of 1) heavy reliance on nuclear power and (to a lesser extent) hydrolic electricity; 2) strong, state-of-the-art public transport (fast speed trains cut down air travel, good general state of other subway, rail and bus services decreases the use of individual cars); 3) good house insulation against cold, and lesser use of air con.

There are also subsidies for wind mills and some farms have been developed. Not enough to my liking. So far France's share of renewable energy remains very small.


Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:36 am
@camlok,
camlok wrote:


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Why don't you educate me on "science"


Ummmm, first "back and forth" is the essence of science. That is exactly what scientists do.

Precisely so why get into a pissing contest about which of one's favored scientists are correct and the other corrupt?

Why are we even having this discussion? I thought you had a measure of intelligence.

Wrong again.

But you are one of the ones who fled from the discussion of science precisely because you knew your science was no science. Count the number of other cowards who have done the same. Including the "scientist", farmerman.

Funny how someone who ducks virtually every question posed to him is so free with the epithet of "coward" You've become a cartoon character. Smile
camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:37 am
@Olivier5,
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Scientists go by a certain ethic, you know?


Aren't you a laugh and a half, Olivier?
giujohn
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:37 am
@Lash,



Your Obvious penis envy notwithstanding, 😁 the free world wins with the eradication of that fat little piece of **** an the unification of Korea.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:38 am
@oralloy,
The idea of launching nukes on NK is insane. It won't happen unless they nuke SK, Japan or us.
Lash
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:40 am
China says hold your horses.

http://time.com/4739758/china-us-north-korea-tension/
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:40 am
@camlok,
Happy to please.
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camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:41 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Funny how someone who ducks virtually every question posed to him is so free with the epithet of "coward" You've become a cartoon character. Smile


You only have to remind me with a direct connection. I'm still working on the one question you asked of me, Finn. The "others" are your intentionally scatterbrained reminders to advance your false proposition.

Like you are doing here to desperately avoid how you all are avoiding the Big Scary science questions.
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Lash
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:44 am
@giujohn,
You think we can win a nuclear skirmish?

It's not just liberal talk when I tell you we'd all lose. It shouldn't be considered a pre-emptive option.
camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:47 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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The idea of launching nukes on NK is insane. It won't happen unless they nuke SK, Japan or us.


Then why are the war mongering Americans threatening to do so? Why have the war mongering Americans done so? Why did the war mongering American slaughter 4 million Koreans?

One answer: To enable it to grab others wealth. That is why tens of millions have died, so the US can grab others wealth.

You all know it is true. Why the hell do you continue providing support for such evil? How evil does a body have to be to do this?
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giujohn
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:51 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

You think we can win a nuclear skirmish?

It's not just liberal talk when I tell you we'd all lose. It shouldn't be considered a pre-emptive option.


Where did you get the idea that the preemptive strike would involve nukes?
camlok
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:52 am
@giujohn,
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Where did you get the idea that the preemptive strike would involve nukes?


Another day, another US war crime in the making,
oralloy
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:53 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The idea of launching nukes on NK is insane.

Not if it is the least-bad option.


Finn dAbuzz wrote:
It won't happen unless they nuke SK, Japan or us.

If such a nuclear strike against us or our allies is inevitable, a preemptive nuclear attack could prevent it from happening.

A president who sits on American nukes until after the North Koreans destroy an important city will probably face some harsh questions afterwards.
Lash
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:53 am
@giujohn,
Imagining the worst case scenario.

Even if we launch a conventional pre-emptive strike, we know we're goading The Fat Prince into trotting out his favorite toy.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:53 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I would guess it will wipe out a good chunck of the world population. Of course nobody can tell how many. But at some point it's bound to affect food production. The thing is: there's no end in sight. Temps will rise for a few hundred if not thousand years. GW effects are very long term. At some point the **** will hit the fan.

That's even without the possibility of a rapid, catastrophic methane release from permafrost and artic seas, a scenario that would spell doom for many of us and could very well happen during this century.

It doesn't look good. I wish I could say something else.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:54 am
@Olivier5,
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Scientists go by a certain ethic, you know?


So do doctors, lawyers, and even legislators...you know?

Apparently you are another member of the Scientist Cult who thinks they are somehow uniquely immune to the pressures imposed by daily life on every human alive. Where did you come up with that conclusion?

I've given my opinion on the incentives to exaggerate CC. If you don't buy them that's fine because I don't buy yours that there are none.

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Yes. Dismal American leadership on this issue.


Just can't control that anti-American reflex can you? If you're going to look for us to pull your bacon out of the fire, you might be a little less critical.

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What you and I hope is pretty irrelevant in this matter.


Perhaps but you didn't respond to my suggestion about mitigation. It never seems to come up in your posts on this topic.

Sounds like France's leadership here is pretty dismal too.
 

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