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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:04 pm
@oralloy,
Assaad's genocide began in 2011.
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blatham
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:05 pm
@Olivier5,
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@Finn dAbuzz,
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There is no point having the greatest military the world has ever known if everyone thinks you're afraid to use it.


Makes sense

No, it doesn't. Not in the context that Finn said this. Nor in a much broader context either.

First, in the broad context, the US has continually engaged its military around the world consistently for decades and that's too obvious to even bother arguing about. In the specific context of "Obama was scared to use the military", that's not even close to being true.
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To cite just some recent examples: In October, the president authorized the first sustained deployment of U.S. special-operations forces to Syria to complement his air campaign against the Islamic State. In January, reports emerged that the Obama administration was rethinking its troop drawdown in Afghanistan, given the deteriorating security situation there, and considering sending more troops to Iraq and Syria. The next month, Obama released a defense budget that included an increase of $2.5 billion over the previous year to expand the fight with ISIS to North and West Africa, and billions more for sending heavy weapons, armored vehicles, and other equipment to Eastern and Central Europe to counter Russian aggression. In the past several weeks alone, we’ve learned of Pentagon plans to dispatch military advisers to Nigeria against the jihadist group Boko Haram and to launch an aerial offensive in Libya against the Islamic State. U.S. bombing raids recently killed 150 suspected militants in Somalia and over 40 in Libya. By one measure, in fact, the U.S. military is now actively engaged in more countries than when Obama took office.

And yet while America’s military footprint abroad is fainter today than when Obama took office, it’s also more dispersed. Not counting the probable expansion of the anti-ISIS campaign to Libya and other parts of Africa in the near future, the U.S. military is, by my reckoning, involved in more countries now than when Obama took office in 2009, albeit to varying degrees.
Atlantic
As I noted earlier, the "Republicans are strong, manly and brave while the Dems are weak, frightened and effeminate" is in the realm of Big Lie. It's a long-standing PR gambit used in alignment with other such stories, eg Republicans tough re law and order while Dems are wishy-washy). It plays to the father-figure, authoritarianism which is a deeply ingrained part of right wing mythology.

Another way to get a handle on the thoughtlessness of that idea you quoted from Finn is to understand how unhelpful it really is. How often does the US have to strike at other countries to maintain this proposed conception of "the world will be frightened of the US"? What level of military incursion is necessary to maintain it? Will 55 missiles do it? 1000? How many carriers off shore? How many missiles must that fleet send flying for it to frighten? How often does the US have to threaten to use nuclear devices?

And there is the implication in all of this that maybe only military actions and acts of war are workable tools of international affairs.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:06 pm
@Baldimo,
We're talking about Trump's illegal action now as president. The topic of this thread is "monitoring Trump."
Baldimo
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:07 pm
@Sturgis,
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As far as solutions, his is much more difficult; however, in the case of Trump, it was clearly done for the purpose (in a typical demented way) to boost his approval ratings; which, is all he truly gives a hang about.

It seems the only people hung up on his approval ratings are people like CI, who post them every single day. It's also ironic that people hang on those very same pollsters who predicted a Clinton landslide...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:07 pm
@Olivier5,
It is impossible to tell which is why it's not worth speculating about. Over the last ten years or so who knows what sort of mischief Saddam could have caused.

Qadafi's fall was all Hillary Clinton's doing...with help from the savage locals.
She wanted a notch in her belt.
Sturgis
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:10 pm
@oralloy,
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Well, we could have begun...


Coulda, woulda, shoulda... we can't go back and rewrite the history or apparently learn from it either (in the case of world leaders).


Anyway, you made the statement that a bullet used as a U.S. assassination of Hussein would have made a full withdrawal of our troops a reality in a span of under two weeks.
Lash
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:11 pm
The US and Russia are flying around in the same air space with weapons. Donald Trump is going to be making the decisions.

I realize that mentioning WWIII seems hyperbolic, but who doesn't see the progression?

So, questions:

Why would Assad gas his people? Why would he beckon world intervention?

So if he had no reason to gas his people, think about who did.

This seems a lot like a false flag operation.
oralloy
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
The US is not the moral police of this world.

Well, yes and no. We certainly have no obligation to step into a conflict if we don't want to.

But if something annoys us to the extent that we choose to step into a conflict, we'll do it and kill anyone who gets in our way.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:12 pm
@oralloy,
https://www.google.com/amp/aleteia.org/2016/10/19/the-reality-of-christian-genocide-in-the-middle-east/amp/
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layman
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:13 pm
@blatham,
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How many missiles must that fleet send flying for it to frighten? How often does the US have to threaten to use nuclear devices?


The answer to this senseless question is pretty obvious, aint it?

The USA should randomly be shelling one country after another, daily, just to let them all know they better not **** with us, caint ya see?

America First, Baby!
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oralloy
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:13 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
I did complain about the drone killings under Obama.

Why? Dead terrorists are good terrorists.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:13 pm
@oralloy,
Your morals are non-existent.
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Sturgis
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:14 pm
@Baldimo,
This is about the current administration and the entity known as Trump. The fact that President Obama did deadly things does not make Trump's actions in any way okay. If anything in might be considered worse as he had a past history to look at.
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Lash
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:15 pm
@Lash,
You do know about the competing pipelines running through Syria; whose pipeline (& partnership) Assad prefers...?
giujohn
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:17 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

I take the drivel and dreck from giujohn and laymen as compliments.


What could be so low as to compliment you...........Hold on I'm still thinking...I'll get back to you.
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Lash
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:17 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
The US is not the moral police of this world.

Well, yes and no. We certainly have no obligation to step into a conflict if we don't want to.

But if something annoys us to the extent that we choose to step into a conflict, we'll do it and kill anyone who gets in our way.

Precisely why we are terrorized. If it wasn't for our natural borders, we'd be living in a war zone.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:18 pm
@blatham,
Military force is an unfortunate, but necessary tool of diplomacy, but it's of little use if it isn't widely seen being used.

"Considering" is not using.

"Military advisers" don't strike and they don't scare tyrants or terrorists

The proof in the pudding is that with all of Obama's brainy and measured use of the military, all of our global foes became more bold and brazen during his administration.

All.

Lash
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:19 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Sturgis wrote:
I did complain about the drone killings under Obama.

Why? Dead terrorists are good terrorists.

We've killed a lot of women and children. Their sons and brothers are coming for you.
tsarstepan
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:19 pm
@oralloy,
I'm also glad that he's dead. But he was never the liberal's BFF. You're picking and choosing your selective memory perhaps.

Muammar Gaddafi's tent finds home on Donald Trump's estate
Donald Trump wanted Moammar Gaddafi’s money

Why Gaddafi's Now a Good Guy

US: Torture and Rendition to Gaddafi’s Libya

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The story told by the photograph reads clearly. Once again, and for the second time in barely four months, the United States is pandering to a Middle East dictator

ON MY MIND; Assad and Bush

Fun name drops...
Saddam Hussein was propped up by Reagan.
Nixon and Franco.

Baldimo
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 01:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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We're talking about Trump's illegal action now as president. The topic of this thread is "monitoring Trump."

So Trump's actions were illegal, but Obama's actions were legal? Obama had Congress and UN permission to launch all those attacks against those different nations?
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