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revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 08:46 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
But my stance involves not paying a whole lot of attention to politics right now
. Laughing
hightor
 
  5  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 08:53 am
How Russia May Have Orchestrated a Massive Social Media Influence Campaign

Quote:
While the FBI looks into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia and the role of far-right outlets in manipulating the media ecosystem, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigates Russia’s use of paid trolls and bots, and former high-ranking Trump administration officials offer testimony in exchange for immunity, new evidence points to a highly orchestrated, large-scale influence campaign that infiltrated Twitter, Facebook, and the comments section of Breitbart during the run up to the 2016 election. Tens of thousands of bots and hundreds of human-operated, fake accounts acted in concert to push a pro-Trump, nativist agenda across all three platforms in the spring of 2016. Many of these accounts have since been refocused to support US secessionist movements and far-right candidates in upcoming European election, all of which have strong ties to Moscow and suggest a coordinated Russian campaign.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 09:05 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
oralloy wrote:
But my stance involves not paying a whole lot of attention to politics right now.

Laughing

Well it's so boring listening to the Left spout endless hysteria over Russia when nothing is ever going to come of it.

I was tempted to not even get caught up in this thread.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 09:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Trump hasn't accomplished much after all his verbose. They're safer with him at the helm.

Last I heard, the US military was moving forward with Trump's plan for them to destroy Islamic State.
layman
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 09:21 am
@hightor,
Quote:
How Russia May Have Orchestrated a Massive Social Media Influence Campaign

new evidence points to a highly orchestrated, large-scale influence campaign that infiltrated Twitter, Facebook, and the comments section of Breitbart during the run up to the 2016 election.... suggest a coordinated Russian campaign.


Funny that, when you read the lengthy article which your link leads to, there's nothing but speculation and no "new evidence" of any russian involvement.

This guy's "argument" is based upon an analysis of comments made at Briebart after April, 2016, saying, for example: "The bot accounts in particular mentioned Russia four times as often as other users."

Heh, at least the author was discrete enough to use the word "may" in his click-baiting headline, eh?

You're certainly establishing your devotion to your stated position that reporting "rumors" is quite legitimate, eh, Hi? Figures. Where would ya be without them?
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 10:20 am
@oralloy,
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/580078/Donald-Trump-ISIS-Plan-30-Days-Bombing-President-Iraq-Syria-War-Generals-Pentagon-Mosul/amp
Trump took office more than 30 days ago, and he still hasn't destroyed ISIS as he said he would. That was a campaign promise.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
Trump claimed he knew more than the generals. Believe me!
hightor
 
  6  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 10:31 am
@layman,
Quote:

Funny that, when you read the lengthy article which your link leads to, there's nothing but speculation and no "new evidence" of any russian involvement.

Sure, statistical analysis is only suggestive — you'd need the results of a real investigation to determine the full extent of the mischief. But I'll point out that each side in this controversy likes to make speculations devoid of factual evidence and based on hearsay, partial information, and partisan opinion.

When (or if) this is ever settled people get the opportunity to claim, "You heard it here first."

Quote:
You're certainly establishing your devotion to your stated position that reporting "rumors" is quite legitimate, eh, Hi?


It's perfectly acceptable for a news organization to report rumors — if they identify the statements as unsubstantiated rumors. Because the content of public discourse is newsworthy and knowing what people are talking about provides context to a discussion which is always in flux.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 10:57 am
@oralloy,
Well, you've made up for your absence.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:03 am
Is Priebus going to survive Kushner?

<roguestaff account has been on this for a couple of days now>
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revelette1
 
  3  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:04 am
More info/update on Nunes stepping aside; apparently it is over concern he disclosed classified information and the house in now investigating it.

Quote:
More than a week after Nunes reviewed classified materials shared by a secret source on White House grounds, Schiff saw the same material, but refused to publicly discuss what he learned.

He said Thursday he understood the material was now to be shared with other intelligence committee members. Nunes said on March 22, "I recently confirmed that on numerous occasions the intelligence community incidentally collected information about U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition."

Two watchdog groups, Democracy 21 and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, had asked the House ethics committee to investigate whether Nunes disclosed classified information he learned from intelligence reports.


AP
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ehBeth
 
  4  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:08 am
even Townhall is following Kushner's power run

https://townhall.com/columnists/edklein/2017/04/04/prince-jared-takes-charge-n2308588

Townhall is interesting. Full-on conservative site, but slightly twitchy about 45 and his family.
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:08 am
@blatham,
Is that why there were dildos hanging in the Aurora Public library a few years ago? Enrichment of our lives? How about "Piss Jesus" or "Elephant **** Mary". Art paid for by the taxpayers?

Here is another good waste of taxpayer money and a loss of income for cities. Build housing for artists and give them cheap rent so they can "create art". I'm sure you would be all for something like this, "affordable artist housing"...
http://www.denverpost.com/2015/10/02/colorados-affordable-artist-housing-efforts-catching-on-quickly/
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revelette1
 
  5  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:30 am
Quote:
President Trump’s Real-World Syria Lesson

With each passing day our new president is discovering that every big problem he faces is like Obamacare — if there were a good, easy solution it would have been found already, and even the less good solutions are more than his own party is ready to pay for or the country is ready to tolerate.

But on Tuesday, tragically, Trump got this lesson in foreign policy via a truly vile poison-gas attack on Syrian civilians, many of them children, reportedly perpetrated by the pro-Russian, pro-Iranian, murderous regime of Bashar al-Assad.

President Trump came to office with the naïve view that he could make fighting ISIS the centerpiece of his Middle East policy — and just drop more bombs and send more special forces than President Barack Obama did to prove his toughness. Trump also seemed to think that fighting ISIS would be a bridge to building a partnership with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

It was naïve because ISIS does not exist in a vacuum — nor is it the only bad actor in the region. ISIS was produced as a Sunni Muslim reaction to massive overreach by Iran in Iraq, where Iranian-backed Shiite militias and the Iraqi government forces of Nouri al-Maliki tried to crush all vestiges of Sunni power in that country and make it a vassal of Iran. (If you think ISIS is sick, Google the phrase “power drills to the head and Shiite militias in Iraq” and you will discover that ISIS did not invent depravity in that part of the world.)

The Iranian/Shiite onslaught against Iraqi Sunnis ran parallel with Assad’s Shiite-Alawite regime in Syria, turning what started out as a multisectarian democracy movement in Syria into a sectarian war between Sunnis and Shiites. Assad figured that if he just gunned down or poison-gassed enough Syrian Sunnis he could turn their democracy efforts into a sectarian struggle against his Shiite-Alawite regime — and presto, it worked.

The opposition almost toppled him, but with the aid of Russia, Iran and Iran’s Hezbollah militia, Assad was able to pummel the Syrian Sunnis into submission as well.

ISIS was the deformed creature created by a pincers movement — Russia, Iran, Assad and Hezbollah in Syria on one flank and Iran and pro-Iranian militias in Iraq on the other. When Trump said he wanted to partner with Russia to crush ISIS, it was music to the ears of Assad, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah. Like everyone else, they figured they could manipulate Trump’s ignorance to their advantage.

So, last week, someone named “Rex Tillerson” (who, I am told, is the U.S. secretary of state) declared that the “longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people” — as if the Syrian people will be having an Iowa-like primary on that subject soon. U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley made the same point even more cravenly, telling reporters that the United States’ “priority is no longer to sit there and focus on getting Assad out.”

Is there any wonder that Assad felt no compunction about perpetrating what this paper described as “one of the deadliest chemical weapons attacks in years in Syria,” killing dozens of people in Idlib Province, the last major holdout for Syrian rebels.

Mind you, Donald Trump did not cause this Syria problem, and he is right to complain that it was left in his lap by the Obama team, which had its own futile strategy for dealing with Syria — trying to negotiate with Russia and Iran, the key players there, without creating any leverage on the ground.

But if you’re looking for a culprit for why America has refused to intervene in Syria, you have to look both to your left and to your right.

“The only obstacle to putting real U.S. military leverage into Syria is democracy in America,” explained the foreign policy expert Michael Mandelbaum, author of “Mission Failure: America and the World in the Post-Cold War Era.” “The American public simply does not want to spend the blood and treasure to produce what would probably be a less awful but still not good outcome in Syria.” And that is a byproduct of the failed George W. Bush interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Alas, though, I now think doing nothing is a mistake. Just letting Assad keep trying to restore control over all of Syria will mean endless massacres. A negotiated power-sharing solution is impossible; there is no trust.

The least bad solution is a partition of Syria and the creation of a primarily Sunni protected area — protected by an international force, including, if necessary, some U.S. troops. That should at least stop the killing — and the refugee flows that are fueling a populist-nationalist backlash all across the European Union.

It won’t be pretty or easy. But in the Cold War we put 400,000 troops in Europe to keep the sectarian peace there and to keep Europe on a democracy track. Having NATO and the Arab League establish a safe zone in Syria for the same purpose is worth a try. And then if Putin and Iran want to keep the butcher Assad in Damascus, they can have him.

It’s either that, President Trump, or get ready for a lot more days like Tuesday. As I said, every problem is like Obamacare — never as easy as you thought to fix. The least bad alternatives can be forged only by a compromise in the middle, and, like your hotels, they’ll all soon have your name on them.


NYT

(underline added by me)
glitterbag
 
  4  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:34 am

((I just get goose pimples, like when Kate Smith sings "God Bless America"))


Park Service To Use Trump Donation To Search For Millions Still Missing On National Mall


Staying true to his word, Donald Trump has given away his first quarter salary as President to the National Park Service. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke was delighted to receive the donation, and said the money will be put to good use searching for the million or more people who tragically went missing at a park called the National Mall back in January.

Zinke said funds for finding lost backpackers has never been more needed and appealed for further aid. Though it’s usual for a few hundred people to go missing in America’s wilderness parks every year, already in 2017 over a million have been reported lost, with most of them disappearing on a single day in January.



Possible reasons being explored are that they got disoriented after their GPS failed, they are just trying to get away from it all and will re-emerge when ready, or that they were eaten by bears.

“But a million or more people missing translates into a lot of hungry bears, and their range normally doesn’t extend into the District of Columbia.”

Though the chances of finding someone alive diminishes the longer they are gone, Zinke remains hopeful.

“They’re out there somewhere. I can feel it.”

revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 12:13 pm
@glitterbag,
Well, got to give credit where it is due. Good on Trump for keeping his word on donating.
ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 12:29 pm
@izzythepush,
I'm just waking up - who are those guys in the photo?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 12:30 pm
@revelette1,
True. Trump has so many negatives, even he has something "good" about his character, and needs to be shared.
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djjd62
 
  3  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 12:55 pm
@McGentrix,
my point being, why bother publishing a list of 8,000+ names of american citizens, they could have just said, check out the phone book or look on line and find more names than you could probably easily buy bullets to use on

and as for ISIS targeting Trump, that just sort goes with the territory
Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 01:37 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

my point being, why bother publishing a list of 8,000+ names of american citizens, they could have just said, check out the phone book or look on line and find more names

I didn't see the list and don't care to try, but I suspect these names were not picked at random. They could be targeted somehow, eg military or intell folks, or some Jewish businessmen and journalists and the likes. Whoever some braindead ISIS PR guy decided was a "worthy" American target. Because this is PR more than, or as much as, a potentially real threat.
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nimh
 
  2  
Thu 6 Apr, 2017 01:49 pm
@McGentrix,
What, you do?
 

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