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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 05:21 am
@hightor,
I have totally missed that:
McGentrix wrote:
Liberalism is a disease and I hope that a cure is found soon.


After the failed 1848 revolution (mainly done due to Liberalism), many Germans emigrated to the USA.
During the follow-up emigration, president's granmother and grandfather emigrated as well. They (his grandmother's wish) wanted to return to Bavaria. But the Prince Regent didn't allow it: Trump's grandfather had left his home country illegally ...
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blatham
 
  5  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:03 am
The NYT editorial board says what is obvious.
Quote:
Rep. Nunes Is a Lapdog in a Watchdog Role

Quote:
...On Wednesday night, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said the recent developments make it necessary to appoint a select committee or independent commission to run an inquiry. “No longer does the Congress have credibility to handle this alone,” Mr. McCain said in an interview on MSNBC. “And I don’t say that lightly.”

Mr. McCain is right. It was predictable that standard congressional committee investigations into the role of Russia and the election would turn into muddled partisan fights. But Mr. Nunes’s conduct stands out for his brazenness and heedlessness. His role as a committee chairman is to carry out responsible oversight of intelligence matters. Instead, he used his position to distract attention from the crucial question of whether Mr. Trump’s election was aided by collusion with an adversary.
NYT
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blatham
 
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Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:08 am
And conservative David Brooks says what is equally obvious
Quote:
The House Republican health care bill is a pure top-down document. It was not molded to the actual health care needs of regular voters. It does not have support from actual American voters or much interest in those voters. It was written by elites to serve the needs of elites. Donald Trump vowed to drain the swamp, but this bill is pure swamp.
NYT
But of course, unlike the Obamacare bill which no Democrat voting on it read, the GOP bill has been studied thoroughly by all the GOP politicians who will be voting on it. I mean, that's what would make sense, right?
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:21 am
the Times has a very explanatory graph up showing how the rich gain and the poor lose under the GOP healthcare bill
Graph Here
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:33 am
@McGentrix,
Conservatives live in a straight jacket form of thought, where all is black and white. A person committed a crime. It is a Mexican immigrant. Mexican emigrants are all criminals. It is a black person. All black persons belong in prison. It is a conservative. So? The victim was a degenerate and deserved it.

The same conclusion making process is used to keep kids from having school breakfast, to keep people from health care, food stamps and so forth. The cure, according to them, for virtually everything? Stop being poor or stop breathing.
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:44 am
This one really pisses me off. In service to the profits of the big telecom providers, the Republicans are moving to dismantle privacy protections on internet use. Again, the opposite of swamp draining or of giving a damn about citizens when big corporate profits are in the equation.
Quote:
Republican senators moved Thursday to dismantle landmark internet privacy protections for consumers in the first decisive strike against telecommunications and technology regulations created during the Obama administration, and a harbinger of further deregulation.

The measure passed in a 50-to-48 vote largely along party lines. The House is expected to mirror the Senate’s action next week, followed by a signature from President Trump.

The move means Verizon, Comcast or AT&T can continue tracking and sharing people’s browsing and app activity without permission, and it alarmed consumer advocates and Democratic lawmakers.
NYT
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McGentrix
 
  -4  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:49 am
@hightor,
First, let me start that my computer at work is currently dead and I am working on a macbook that is far too old. This means that fancy formatting and lots of cut and pastes will need to wait until I get home later tonight.

Second, I think your reply is a well intentioned and a great example of how to rebut a claim. Thank you for that.

I have a problem with your first line, "yes they committed a crime entering the country but for purposes of further discussion let's concentrate on criminal behavior post arrival." The problem I have is that they are here illegally. How do you disregard the fact that they are starting their new lives as criminals? Do we start allowing anyone else in the country one free crime then? "It's ok, you only killed one person. Keep your nose clean and don't kill anyone else and we will just let this slide..." You can not just over look the fact that they are here illegally and move on.

Due to human nature, crime will not be eliminated. That's sad but true. However, crime can and should be deterred, don't you agree? Isn't that why we punish criminals? To stop recidivism and to deter other would be criminals? How do we turn our eyes from one crime and then punish another? Don't you think that all of our laws should apply equally to everyone? Why should one class of people be allowed to break the laws?

One of the things you guys keep doing is trying to change the subject and discuss something else instead of the topic that you don't have the right answer for. Comparing illegal immigration to other crimes is a red herring. Stop that.

The article was discussing 5 states that have the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. The two states where homicides were higher are the border states where illegal immigration is the highest. The places where a wall will decrease the number of illegals crossing the borders.

Let me ask you, are you comfortable having a child predator in your neighborhood? I know a lot of people aren't. But, they have to register with local law enforcement and their houses get mapped and all the neighbors are notified. Let's say a creepy guy that imprisoned and molested a young girl for several months gets out of jail due to a technicality and they move to a new town and try to get a new start. They mind their own business and work hard and stay out of trouble. Are you ok with him next door? I mean he only committed that one crime and has been a model citizen since. Probably a bad example because you probably ARE ok with that...

I think you are not alone in wanting to have some laws changed. But, until such time as they are changed, they should be enforced. There are thousands upon thousands of people that are the list of legal immigrants waiting to come to the US that have done the work necessary to accomplish that. They are being held up by the vast number of illegals that have decided that they are too selfish to follow the laws of our country and just come here anyways.

Also, it's RyanCare, I don't think Trump even wanted this done yet but the Republican establishment had to because that is all they have talked about for 6 years now. I hope they get the vote done today, I want to see who will not be coming back in the next Congress.
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:55 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Conservatives live in a straight jacket form of thought, where all is black and white. A person committed a crime. It is a Mexican immigrant. Mexican emigrants are all criminals. It is a black person. All black persons belong in prison. It is a conservative. So? The victim was a degenerate and deserved it.

The same conclusion making process is used to keep kids from having school breakfast, to keep people from health care, food stamps and so forth. The cure, according to them, for virtually everything? Stop being poor or stop breathing.


Give it rest hippy. Take your free lovin' ass to Canada and take your broad brushed accusations with you. You complain about people being tarred and feathered as a group by tarring and feathering a group of people. Do you not see the irony in that?
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:56 am
Quote:
One Rationale for Voter ID Debunked, G.O.P. Has Another

Of the 860,000 Nebraskans who cast ballots in last fall’s election, only two are suspected of casting fraudulent votes. But while the actual number of illegal voters may be minuscule, State Senator John Murante says, there is an even better reason for Nebraska’s Legislature to crack down on fraud at the ballot box.

“First and foremost, we know the confidence that Americans and Nebraskans have in the election system is at an all-time low,” said Mr. Murante, a Republican who is backing a constitutional amendment that would require all voters to display photo IDs. “The perception exists that voter fraud is a serious issue, and that perception itself has to be addressed.”

Nationwide, Republican state legislators are again sponsoring a sheaf of bills tightening requirements to register and to vote. And while they have traditionally argued that such laws are needed to police rampant voter fraud — a claim most experts call unfounded — some are now saying the perception of fraud, real or otherwise, is an equally serious problem, if not worse.
NYT

Of course, the perception of voter fraud is completely a consequence of the GOP and the right insisting for three decades that there is a significant problem but lying through their teeth in this insistence. So don't think of this claim as insane. Understand that it is fully rational. And fully cynical. These people are despicable.
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 24 Mar, 2017 06:56 am
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html?_r=0
It all depends who you want to believe.
edgarblythe
 
  6  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 07:00 am
@McGentrix,
You get your miserable carcass out of the country if you don't like sharing it with me. **** off even. You jerks have finally got what you wanted and it is going to be your epitaph, politically.
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blatham
 
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Fri 24 Mar, 2017 07:16 am
This follows after many school districts and individual schools here have made the same decision.
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Worried about Trump’s travel ban, Canada’s largest school district calls off U.S. trips
WP
I don't know if anyone has yet taken a good look at how tourism to the US has been or might be affected by Trump's policies and rhetoric. If anyone sees such a study, please link it here.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 07:20 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:


Again, every single illegal immigrant has committed a crime.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 24 Mar, 2017 07:54 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
I don't know if anyone has yet taken a good look at how tourism to the US has been or might be affected by Trump's policies and rhetoric. If anyone sees such a study, please link it here.

Yes, there's been a number of studies and indicators of reduced tourism, the so-called "Trump slump".

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/travel/after-travel-ban-declining-interest-trips-to-united-states.html

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/feb/28/us-tourism-experiences-a-trump-slump

I certainly will not travel to the US under present circumstances, whether for business or tourism. I'm not a masochist.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 08:07 am
@Olivier5,
Thanks Olivier! I had not seen either piece. A lot of those drops are significant and greater than I had expected.

I've decided on principle that I'm not going down again until this crowd is gone. My two ex wives are in accord and will come up to Canada for visits now. My decision will have no effect, of course, but people like you and I are evidently quite common (I'm not surprised).
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 08:10 am
What is tiring me out so much regarding US politics right now is all the winning. There's so much winning.

Today will be interesting. They could pull it out of the fire but then there's the Senate which looks to be a to be a greater problem. What a mess.
revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 08:33 am
@blatham,
Quote:
I know what you mean about the winning, I expect the budget cuts, tax cuts and deregulations and the health care repeal and "replace" all will pass eventually in both the house and the senate.

blatham
 
  3  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 08:34 am
Quote:
emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 14m14 minutes ago
Liz BabyDick Cheney on floor now pretending that making maternity care optional is about giving women choice in coverage.

This woman has Presidential aspirations. Keep an eye on her. She is her father.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 24 Mar, 2017 08:41 am
@revelette1,
The first three, yes. That's where the big money will utilize this point in time to get what they want (and they do not care about citizens disadvantaged or in need). Whether they manage to gut Obamacare remains to be seen. On this there are huge electoral consequences because is no longer abstract - there are real life consequences for MANY in the base.
blatham
 
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Fri 24 Mar, 2017 08:44 am
Quote:
Norman Ornstein‏ @NormOrnstein 29m29 minutes ago
It is a hoot to watch GOP House members blame Democrats for not coming to table.After 7 yrs of GOP stonewalling, sabotaging health reform

Norm enjoys a level of equanimity I can't match. I want to drop a cartoon safe on their heads.
 

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