@hightor,
First, let me start that my computer at work is currently dead and I am working on a macbook that is far too old. This means that fancy formatting and lots of cut and pastes will need to wait until I get home later tonight.
Second, I think your reply is a well intentioned and a great example of how to rebut a claim. Thank you for that.
I have a problem with your first line, "yes they committed a crime entering the country but for purposes of further discussion let's concentrate on criminal behavior post arrival." The problem I have is that they are here illegally. How do you disregard the fact that they are starting their new lives as criminals? Do we start allowing anyone else in the country one free crime then? "It's ok, you only killed one person. Keep your nose clean and don't kill anyone else and we will just let this slide..." You can not just over look the fact that they are here illegally and move on.
Due to human nature, crime will not be eliminated. That's sad but true. However, crime can and should be deterred, don't you agree? Isn't that why we punish criminals? To stop recidivism and to deter other would be criminals? How do we turn our eyes from one crime and then punish another? Don't you think that all of our laws should apply equally to everyone? Why should one class of people be allowed to break the laws?
One of the things you guys keep doing is trying to change the subject and discuss something else instead of the topic that you don't have the right answer for. Comparing illegal immigration to other crimes is a red herring. Stop that.
The article was discussing 5 states that have the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. The two states where homicides were higher are the border states where illegal immigration is the highest. The places where a wall will decrease the number of illegals crossing the borders.
Let me ask you, are you comfortable having a child predator in your neighborhood? I know a lot of people aren't. But, they have to register with local law enforcement and their houses get mapped and all the neighbors are notified. Let's say a creepy guy that imprisoned and molested a young girl for several months gets out of jail due to a technicality and they move to a new town and try to get a new start. They mind their own business and work hard and stay out of trouble. Are you ok with him next door? I mean he only committed that one crime and has been a model citizen since. Probably a bad example because you probably ARE ok with that...
I think you are not alone in wanting to have some laws changed. But, until such time as they are changed, they should be enforced. There are thousands upon thousands of people that are the list of
legal immigrants waiting to come to the US that have done the work necessary to accomplish that. They are being held up by the vast number of illegals that have decided that they are too selfish to follow the laws of our country and just come here anyways.
Also, it's RyanCare, I don't think Trump even wanted this done yet but the Republican establishment had to because that is all they have talked about for 6 years now. I hope they get the vote done today, I want to see who will not be coming back in the next Congress.