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hightor
 
  5  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 09:51 am
@layman,
Quote:
That's exactly what Hillary's hatchetmen did---paid people to go collect "dirt" on Trump from Russian intelligence agents, ya know?

Except that the original dossier (later leaked) was put together by Republicans opposed to Trump.
layman
 
  -2  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 09:51 am
@layman,
Serious question, though. I repeatedly hear people glibly refer to "interfering in our elections," which references are invariably made in shrill voices indicative of extreme MORAL OUTRAGE. But what does "election interference" mean? I aint never figured that out, ya know?

Can anybody hep me with an answer?
layman
 
  -2  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 09:53 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Except that the original dossier (later leaked) was put together by Republicans opposed to Trump.


Yeah? That aint what I heard. What cheese-eater told you that?

I did hear that the FBI, in addition to the DNC, agreed to pay that perv for his "services," though, ya know?
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 09:54 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
Depends on where you live. Most states have a one party rule where at least one party has to consent to recording. But not both.


Really Gent? I've never heard of that before. So if I want to secretly record my conversations with you, I just "consent" to it, as one party, that the idea?


right.

Quote:
Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.

In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws.
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McGentrix
 
  -2  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 09:58 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

But what does "election interference" mean?


I have often wondered the same thing.
hightor
 
  5  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 09:58 am
@layman,
Whether Russian involvement actually threw the election to Trump is a red herring. If people are too stupid to see that it doesn't matter, that it's the contact that is being investigated, not the effect, that can't be helped. I actually hear more Trump supporters than 'crats raising the issue because the GOP has more to be defensive about. One of the spear carriers on A2K is constantly asking for definitive proof that the leaks destroyed HRC. Again, that's not the issue. We just want to know what the meetings were about and why all the secrecy around them.
hightor
 
  4  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:03 am
@layman,
He's building a life-sized model of the whole WTC complex. Then he's going to hire passenger jets to be flown into the upper stories. He'll be staying in one of the structures as the flames engulf the complex. He knows he'll be safe in any conditions other than a controlled demolition.
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hightor
 
  4  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:17 am
@McGentrix,
Layman wrote:
But what does "election interference" mean?

The leaked e-mails undermined the ability of the DNC to coordinate the campaign by disrupting their access to electronic communication. They attempted to interfere with the campaign by exposing private e-mails which caused division between the Sanders and Clinton factions, among other unwholesome revelations.
hightor
 
  3  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:22 am
@layman,
Quote:
The story began in September 2015, when a wealthy Republican donor who strongly opposed Mr. Trump put up the money to hire a Washington research firm run by former journalists, Fusion GPS, to compile a dossier about the real estate magnate’s past scandals and weaknesses, according to a person familiar with the effort. The person described the opposition research work on condition of anonymity, citing the volatile nature of the story and the likelihood of future legal disputes. The identity of the donor is unclear.

NYT
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:22 am
@hightor,
The DNC didn't seem to have any problems with blatantly "fake news" so long as it reflected badly on Trump, eh?

Regarding their "dossier" on Trump:

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Newsweek published a list of "13 things that don't add up" in the dossier, writing that the document was a "strange mix of the amateur and the insightful" and stating that the document "contains lots of Kremlin-related gossip that could indeed be, as the author claims, from deep insiders—or equally gleaned" from Russian newspapers and blogs. Former UK ambassador to Russia Sir Tony Brenton stated that certain aspects of the dossier were inconsistent with British intelligence's understanding of how the Kremlin works, commenting: "I've seen quite a lot of intelligence on Russia, and there are some things in [the dossier] which look pretty shaky."
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layman
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:25 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Layman wrote:
But what does "election interference" mean?

The leaked e-mails undermined the ability of the DNC to coordinate the campaign by disrupting their access to electronic communication. They attempted to interfere with the campaign by exposing private e-mails which caused division between the Sanders and Clinton factions, among other unwholesome revelations.


Maybe "they" just thought the American people deserved to know the truth, eh? If we put a convict in jail, we "interfere with" his ability to do a lot of ****. So what? That's not WHY we do it.
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:27 am
@hightor,
Ya left out this part, eh, Hi?

Quote:
The research was initially funded by Republicans who did not want Trump to be the Republican Party nominee for president. After Trump won the primaries, a Democratic client took over the funding.


The way you want to tell the story makes it sound like the DNC just accidentaly "found" this dossier, and had nothing to do with creating it.
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:39 am
Quote:
...exposing private e-mails...caused division between the Sanders and Clinton factions, among other unwholesome revelations.


I'm sure it did. If I was Bernie I would be pissed off too when I learned the truth. Clinton caused this, not the russians or whoever hacked or leaked those e-mails.

It's news to me that if a candidate doesn't like the fallout from a truthful disclosure, then the disclose constitutes "interfering with an election," eh?
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layman
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:56 am
@hightor,
Quote:
If people are too stupid to see that it doesn't matter, that it's the contact that is being investigated, not the effect, that can't be helped.


I guess people were too stupid to investigate the parties Hillary Clinton had contact with when she disseminated pictures of Obama in African/Muslim garb, insinuating that he was not an American citizen, eh?

Was she "interfering in an American election," ya figure?

New flash: "Dirty tricks" have been part and parcel of every political campagin since time immemorial. Why act like this kinda **** is something new, concocted exclusively by Trump with the aid of russians?
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hightor
 
  4  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:57 am
@layman,
I didn't think it was relevant as they weren't the original party who ordered it. The DNC had nothing to do with creating it. And it wasn't the DNC that leaked it — McCain is the one who gave it to Comey.

Quote:
But word of a dossier had begun to spread through political circles. Rick Wilson, a Republican political operative who was working for a super PAC supporting Marco Rubio, said he heard about it in July, when an investigative reporter for a major news network called him to ask what he knew.
(...)
After the election, the memos, still being supplemented by his inquiries, became one of Washington’s worst-kept secrets, as reporters — including from The New York Times — scrambled to confirm or disprove them.

Word also reached Capitol Hill. Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, heard about the dossier and obtained a copy in December from David J. Kramer, a former top State Department official who works for the McCain Institute at Arizona State University. Mr. McCain passed the information to James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director.


hightor
 
  4  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 10:59 am
@layman,
Quote:
If we put a convict in jail, we "interfere with" his ability to do a lot of ****.

Except that none of the behavior within the DNC was criminal.
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 11:02 am
@hightor,
Quote:
The DNC had nothing to do with creating it. And it wasn't the DNC that leaked it — McCain is the one who gave it to Comey.


Nice try, eh? Much of the "information" contained in it related to supposed "events" that took place long after the primaries, when the DNC was funding it.

McCain wasn't the one to "leak" it either. That trash was sent to virtually every congressman and media outlet in the country way back it July. It had been circulating for months before McCain ever gave it to Comey (who had agreed to fund it himself (i.e., the FBI), long before McCain supposedly "brought it to his attention."
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 11:04 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
If we put a convict in jail, we "interfere with" his ability to do a lot of ****.

Except that none of the behavior within the DNC was criminal.


Doesn't surprise me that you completely miss the point--even though I explicitly stated it, eh?

I heard that Hillary couldn't fall asleep the night before a debate, because she was fretting about all the **** in her emails that had become public. IT PROBABLY AFFECTED HER DEBATE PERFORMANCE!!!

The only reason anyone would EVER expose her for the fraud that she is would be to create such incidental consequences and thereby INFLUENCE THE ELECTION (!!!), eh?
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 11:09 am
@blatham,
I wonder, if you would have had this same reaction when Chelsea Clinton would have moved into the WH and worked for her mom? You know she would have.
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hightor
 
  3  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 11:13 am
@layman,
Quote:
...when the DNC was funding it.

(reputable) citation please
 

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