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farmerman
 
  3  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 05:35 am
@blatham,
I forget who it was that said'Well, there is no evidence that Obama had Trumps phones tapped but there were other ways that he could have been surveilling the Trump towers"

They cant accept that Tweets is just a goddam lying lunatic
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 05:43 am
@saab,
Wow. It's been a very long time since I've seen a mention of Will Durant. When I was 13 - 15, on my way home after delivering newspapers, I'd would frequently stop at a little general store that had a wonderful rack of classical literature. I remember buying one of his books there (The Story of Philosophy, if I recall correctly). My mental life at that time was baseball, ideas, and girls. I no longer care about baseball.
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blatham
 
  5  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 05:49 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
They cant accept that Tweets is just a goddam lying lunatic

That was a Trump spokesman. But pretty much the entire party, certainly those at the top, are all effectively Trump spokesmen/women now. I think many understand that Trump is a dangerous species of lunatic and I'm sure most are quite clear that Trump lies through his teeth. But craving power and having their long-time goals possibly realized, they are willing to cover for the guy. It's a level of cynicism I've never seen on this scale before.
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blatham
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 05:54 am
Quote:
Andrew Napolitano, the senior legal analyst for Fox News, has been temporarily sidelined following his unproved assertion last week that former President Barack Obama had asked for British assistance in spying on Donald J. Trump, a person briefed on the decision said on Monday.

Mr. Napolitano did not appear on Fox on Monday, even though there were two news events that normally would have called for his services: hearings involving the F.B.I. director James B. Comey, and the Supreme Court nominee Neil M. Gorsuch.
NYT
The key word there is "temporarily". Fox is well aware that their base can be counted on to forget pretty much anything and everything in a matter of days or perhaps a week. Excepting, of course, that Reagan is the Second Coming and that mainstream media is all polluted by liberals.
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blatham
 
  4  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:06 am
@farmerman
You'll love this guy
Quote:
...Hours earlier, FBI Director James B. Comey had snuffed out Trump’s wiretapping allegations, testifying under oath that there was “no information” indicating Obama had spied on his campaign. Even Comey was calling Trump a liar, they argued.

[Jeffrey] Lord saw it differently, repeating the claim by some Trump backers that he didn’t mean what he said about wiretapping and therefore couldn’t be lying.

Trump, he said, was speaking “Americanese” when he tweeted that Obama had orchestrated a “Nixon/Watergate” plot against him. The president’s supporters knew what he meant, but Washington insiders didn’t and blew it out of proportion.

Cooper and other guests seemed baffled.

“What you’re arguing then is the FBI and the Justice Department are mistaken for taking the president literally because they don’t speak Americanese,” Cooper asked.

Other guests continued to press the issue.

“The whole world had a chance to watch this unfold, and it was a direct test of his credibility. And the whole world now knows he lied about it,” former White House aide David Gergen said of Trump.

“We’ve seen it again and again,” Gergen continued. “When we have a president who is a congenital liar, it really matters.”
WP
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blatham
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:11 am
I see Tillerson is going to skip a NATO meeting next month but instead he'll head over to Russia to talk with his oil buddies there. So that's cool.
blatham
 
  5  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:17 am
From Michael Gerson. Today's must-read.
Quote:
The American presidency is shrinking before the world’s eyes

... When President Trump and Angela Merkel sat together in the Oval Office, we were seeing the leader of the free world — and that guy pouting in public.
WP
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hightor
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:25 am
If anyone didn't hear or see it, here are Rep. Adam Schiff's opening remarks in yesterday's hearing. Very concise...and (circumstantially) damaging.

Heard a couple of Trumpies this morning on NPR who were at his fascist-like "rally" in Louisville. (Just two people, not anything purporting to be a scientific poll.) The one guy was all incensed that "they" were just bringing up these fake charges to make the SCROTUS look bad. The other one said she wanted to know the truth but they ought to just lay it all out right now instead of actually having a long investigation. Okay.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:28 am
@blatham,
Yes. Standing ovations for it!
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:30 am
Last week, I posted a brilliant and very thorough piece by Jane Mayer at the New Yorker on the hedge fund supporter of Bannon and Trump, Robert Mercer. If you didn't read it, do.

Today, Matea Gold has a piece up on the same subject
Quote:
The Mercers and Stephen Bannon: How a populist power base was funded and built
The wealthy GOP donors and Trump’s chief strategist collaborated on at least five ventures.

The champagne was flowing as hedge fund executive Robert Mercer and his daughter Rebekah hosted a reception during the Cannes Film Festival last May to promote “Clinton Cash,” a film by their political adviser Stephen K. Bannon and the production company they co-founded, Glittering Steel.
WP
Again, it simply is not possible to understand modern American conservatism and the modern GOP without grasping the power and influence of a very extremist group of incredibly wealthy individuals operating mostly behind the scenes. The people you see in front of the camera aren't the thing. They are functionally actors and puppets.
McGentrix
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:31 am
I believe that one of the reasons the FBI is still investigating the whole Russia thing is to finally shut up all the anti-Trumpers be showing there is no evidence of collusion.

Now, I've seen several posts fly by this morning about how the Trump backers just can't stop believing Trumps "lies". If/when the FBI comes out and says they have seen no evidence of any collusion between Russia and the Trump admin I trust I will never have to read about that again on A2K?
blatham
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You know, Canada and Germany really ought to do something about these guys. Do you have any weapons at home? I've got a hockey stick I can sharpen.
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blatham
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:34 am
@McGentrix,
Well, we certainly wouldn't want to follow the Benghazi model, would we? I mean, that would make us look...totally ******* insane.

Edit: one thing I'll add here is that there is no apparent valid reason that Comey spoke as he did re Clinton emails but at the same time said nothing about the investigation already underway re Trump/Russia. Which means that he and his agency are going to have to be watched very carefully by reporters and that those reporters will have to keep digging in on this story as a check on possible omissions, blind spots, etc.
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blatham
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:45 am
Quote:
The 7 Biggest Cons In The GOP's Obamacare Repeal Pitch

In the face of bad reviews from health care policy experts, the insurance industry and providers, and a revolt from some members of their own caucus, Republican leaders are scrambling to sell their Obamacare replacement bill by employing a boat loads of half-truths, inaccuracies, contradictions and metaphors...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/eight-biggest-cons-obamacare-repeal
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hightor
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:46 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Again, it simply is not possible to understand modern American conservatism and the modern GOP without grasping the power and influence of a very extremist group of incredibly wealthy individuals operating mostly behind the scenes.

Again, it simply is not possible to understand modern American conservatism and the modern GOP without grasping the power and influence of...money.

It can't be over-emphasized.

Unfortunately the odor of wealth is very attractive to the Trump crowd who are impressed by the billionaires in the cabinet (smartest guys in the world!), who are sucked in by over-the-top spectacle, and who are sure Trumpism will make them "rich".
hightor
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:54 am
@McGentrix,
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I believe that one of the reasons the FBI is still investigating the whole Russia thing is to finally shut up all the anti-Trumpers be showing there is no evidence of collusion.

So, you're saying that the FBI is pursuing this investigation to squelch opposition to Trump? So when they come out and announce "nothing here" they will have done this for political reasons? And we'll just accept that? For christ's sake, if they were investigating Hillary Clinton in order to shut up her critics for political reasons you would accept their findings?

Why not just accept that there is enough evidence to warrant further investigation? Why accuse the FBI of having some motive other than the pursuit of the truth?

McGentrix
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:58 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Again, it simply is not possible to understand modern American conservatism and the modern GOP without grasping the power and influence of...money.

It can't be over-emphasized.

Unfortunately the odor of wealth is very attractive to the Trump crowd who are impressed by the billionaires in the cabinet (smartest guys in the world!), who are sucked in by over-the-top spectacle, and who are sure will make them "rich".



I think this is one of the bigger misconceptions liberals have about conservatives.

Conservatives have no desire for politicians "who are sure will make them "rich"." What they want is for government to do their job and move out of the way so they can make themselves rich. They don't want or need someone else to do that for them. That's the liberal model. Have someone else do for them so they don't have to do for themselves.

Looking at other people that have become wealthy, they sometimes act as a role model and evidence that people can, indeed, make themselves very wealthy. So, when looking for a leader or someone to assist a leader, would you rather have someone that has proven themselves to be successful at something or someone that has failed at everything they have ever done?
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 21 Mar, 2017 06:59 am
How to explain it?
We win - but we lose!
Jesus and us got the
Deep state blues!

Quote:
Why Steve Bannon Wants You to Believe in the Deep State

Like a George Lucas Death Star or one of those planet-eating monsters in Star Trek, the Deep State has crashed into the national consciousness. Suddenly, it’s not just an obsession of those who inhabit the fevered, conspiracy-laced dream world of Alex Jones or Breitbart, but also the subject of countless news stories and headlines of all stripes across the media spectrum—bigger than anything imaginable, undermining the elected president of the United States, threatening the fundaments of our democracy.

Like the Death Star, the American Deep State does not, of course, exist. An appropriation from countries such as Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan and Algeria, where real networks of intelligence, defense and interior ministry officials exercise real power to drive policy, sideline elected officials and eliminate opponents, the American Deep State is nothing more than an invention of President Donald Trump and his allies—the convenient enemy from within that they blame for their frustrations.
Politico
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McGentrix
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 07:00 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
I believe that one of the reasons the FBI is still investigating the whole Russia thing is to finally shut up all the anti-Trumpers be showing there is no evidence of collusion.

So, you're saying that the FBI is pursuing this investigation to squelch opposition to Trump? So when they come out and announce "nothing here" they will have done this for political reasons? And we'll just accept that? For christ's sake, if they were investigating Hillary Clinton in order to shut up her critics for political reasons you would accept their findings?

Why not just accept that there is enough evidence to warrant further investigation? Why accuse the FBI of having some motive other than the pursuit of the truth?




Then you are saying that if the FBI comes out at the end of their investigation and says they have found no evidence of any collusion between the White House or the Trump campaign and Russia that you will not actually believe it?
blatham
 
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Tue 21 Mar, 2017 07:07 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Again, it simply is not possible to understand modern American conservatism and the modern GOP without grasping the power and influence of...money.

My argument, or differentiation, here would be that money as a feature in the expressions and arrangements of power has always been key (John Dewey's "Politics is the shadow cast by business).

But what we have been witnessing over the last decades is a manifestation of a unique and particularly dangerous version of that general truth. The conservatism of the Eisenhower period or even the Nixon period was very different from what we see now. The fundamental reason for that difference is, I doth insist, as Mayer, Pierson/Hacker and other researchers have it.
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