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blatham
 
  2  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 12:39 pm
Quote:
A Bill So Bad It's Awesome
It has long been obvious to anyone following health policy that Republicans would never devise a workable replacement for Obamacare. But the bill unveiled this week is worse than even the cynics expected; its awfulness is almost surreal. And the process by which it came to be tells you a lot about the state of the G.O.P.

Given the rhetoric Republicans have used over the past seven years to attack health reform, you might have expected them to do away with the whole structure of the Affordable Care Act — deregulate, de-subsidize and let the magic of the free market do its thing. This would have been devastating for the 20 million Americans who gained coverage thanks to the act, but at least it would have been ideologically consistent.

But Republican leaders weren’t willing to bite that bullet. What they came up with instead was a dog’s breakfast that conservatives are, with some justice, calling Obamacare 2.0. But a better designation would be Obamacare 0.5, because it’s a half-baked plan that accepts the logic and broad outline of the Affordable Care Act while catastrophically weakening key provisions. If enacted, the bill would almost surely lead to a death spiral of soaring premiums and collapsing coverage. Which makes you wonder, what’s the point?...
NYT
But then again, what the **** would a Nobel winner in economics know?
camlok
 
  -1  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 12:42 pm
@blatham,
Quote:

NYT
But then again, what the **** would a Nobel winner in economics know?


Obviously as little as the NYTs does. I think it's called cognitive dissonance.
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hightor
 
  4  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 12:49 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Obamacare raised the cost, and degraded the quality of medical care for most recipients.

The costs were already rising and the quality was already falling. And lots of people were either uninsured or had "affordable" policies which were sub-optimal.
Quote:
It turns out the real world doesn't always follow the plans of bureaucrats and paid academic consultants (...)

Right — so instead of working to solve the problems with the ACA (and of course there would be problems with any complex legislation addressing a longstanding social problem) conservatives worked to sabotage the bill and campaign for its total repeal.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 01:01 pm
@hightor,
I'm with you: I want to see more people with health insurance, not less. Premiums were increasing at double-digit rates before ACA, and that has been slowed. 16 million more people now have health insurance: That's a good thing.
Why republicans don't want more people to have health insurance just doesn't make any sense.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 01:12 pm
@hightor,
You evidently have a good deal more faith in the effectiveness of government programs, the power seekers who design them and the bureaucrats who administer them than do I.

The immediate effects of subsidies in any form are (1) the elimination of economic pressures to make the delivery product or service in question either more effective or more efficient; and (2) the creation of an organized lobby to make the subsidy permanent.

Corn based ethanol has raised the price of both gasoline and food products; made no contribution to the reduction of net carbon emissions; and created a producer lobby that stoutly resists any reduction in the subsidy. Government subsidized student loans have yielded rapidly increasing tuition costs, largely through rising overhead costs in universities, yielding little benefit to students; even as the economic benefit of the education itself is falling.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 01:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Opposition for opposition's sake. It was one of the achievement's of Obama's presidency which is the only reason they're opposed. Nobody in the developed World outside America understands the deep hostility to affordable healthcare, it just seems plain stupid.
camlok
 
  -1  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 02:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Why republicans don't want more people to have health insurance just doesn't make any sense.


Because you are chum, always have been and always will be. And not the "special friend" meaning, the "animal or vegetable matter (as chopped fish or corn) thrown overboard to attract fish" meaning.

They gave you some fanciful tales that they drummed into your heads to make you think you are special. You're only special in that they need a large mass of empty heads to support America's endless wars.

Had you been Japanese, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, ..., they or their proxies would have turned you into the latter mentioned chum.
revelette1
 
  2  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 02:11 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
If enacted, the bill would almost surely lead to a death spiral of soaring premiums and collapsing coverage. Which makes you wonder, what’s the point?...


I think that is their point, to destroy it, quickly; so they can throw it away while blaming the destruction on the affordable act itself. That way when they have to face voters in re-elections, they have a fall guy (Obama's health care) and get to go back to dog eat dog world of no help at all with health insurance.
ossobucotemp
 
  3  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 02:16 pm
@izzythepush,
There is also an element of "I'm doing ok myself, so I don't want to pay for you. You folks don't deserve it."
camlok
 
  0  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 02:53 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:
There is also an element of "I'm doing ok myself, so I don't want to pay for you. You folks don't deserve it."


That is fundamentally, the raison d'etre of the USA. But not just "I'm doing ok myself", it's I want everyone else's wealth, women and children be damned.

And I've got lots of brainwashed folks to provide cover for me to help me in doing just that.
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cicerone imposter
 
  5  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 03:17 pm
@camlok,
You don't know what you're talking about. Learn about the 442 during WWII. Your education is lacking.
blatham
 
  4  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 03:21 pm
Speaking as a Beta Male (other than an Alpha mark in Dance and the other Sexual Arts) I thought I could share with any Alphas kicking about what it was like for us Betas back in high school when we would finally reach for the black telephone (time's run out and you have to, tonight) to call that girl you're going to ask to the prom. You don't know her well but something caught your eye and you've been thinking about it for weeks and now you're invested, so you start dialing.

It was ******* horrid. The reason it was so horrid was because of what you knew you were really asking her. And you knew she knew too.

What you were really asking back then was, "If you are seen with me in public, will that work too much damage on your future prospects of finding a mate?"
Sturgis
 
  3  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 03:29 pm
@blatham,
I never went to the prom, sometime after that, my mother thought that was had made me gay. (she had some twisted logic at times) It was a continued struggle explaining that I'd been a queer all along, I just had no interest in attending a prom. Good thing too, since I have never been a dancer.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 03:36 pm
@ossobucotemp,
It's a weird mind set. We see health care as a right, like education. Making people pay for it sets them against each other. It's not a good thing.

That's the difference between Socialism and Fascism, Socialism tries to mitigate against selfish behaviour by trying to make society more equitable whilst Fascism actually celebrates selfishness and actively exploits it. The only people doing well out of this are the fat cat Wall Street insurers. We cut those people out of the picture, and instead of paying them profits the money goes into health care provision.
camlok
 
  -1  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 03:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You don't know what you're talking about. Learn about the 442 during WWII. Your education is lacking.


How come they didn't send the 442 to the Asian front?

How come a unit, made up of mostly Japanese, who had all their relatives in US prisons, has a bloody white man on their coat of arms?

Maybe because it would have been too much for them to see their "fellow" comrade in arms boiling Japanese heads to make ashtrays to send home to their girl friends.

Quote:
Eugene Sledge relates a few instances of fellow Marines extracting gold teeth from the Japanese, including one from an enemy soldier who was still alive.
But the Japanese wasn't dead. He had been wounded severely in the back and couldn't move his arms; otherwise he would have resisted to his last breath. The Japanese's mouth glowed with huge gold-crowned teeth, and his captor wanted them. He put the point of his kabar [combat knife] on the base of a tooth and hit the handle with the palm of his hand. Because the Japanese was kicking his feet and thrashing about, the knife point glanced off the tooth and sank deeply into the victim's mouth. The Marine cursed him and with a slash cut his cheeks open to each ear. He put his foot on the sufferer's lower jaw and tried again. Blood poured out of the soldier's mouth. He made a gurgling noise and thrashed wildly. I shouted, “Put the man out of his misery.” All I got for an answer was a cussing out. Another Marine ran up, put a bullet in the enemy soldier's brain, and ended his agony. The scavenger grumbled and continued extracting his prizes undisturbed.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead
camlok
 
  0  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 03:45 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
That's the difference between Socialism and Fascism, Socialism tries to mitigate against selfish behaviour by trying to make society more equitable


Bloody Euro trash commie!!
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camlok
 
  0  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 03:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I voted you up.
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 04:43 pm
@revelette1,
Wapo is a fake news outlet and John McCain is the most obvious psycho case in American public life. What else do you have for us today??
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 04:45 pm
@camlok,
Sam Cook would laugh his ass off at the thought of HDK on the chain gang...
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 12 Mar, 2017 04:49 pm
@camlok,
They did. That's how ignorant you are. They worked as translators and in intelligence; breaking the code of the enemy.
The 442 was the most decorated of any war the US has been involved in.
They won 7 Presidential Citations.
http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Japanese_Americans_in_military_during_World_War_II/
 

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