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@McGentrix,

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I honestly don't understand why many of you even get out of bed in the morning.

Probably because we don't fit your "pussy liberal" description. (How the hell did you come up with that term? It's awful. "Fussy liberals" would be better.) You should know by now that very few people, when it comes to their political views, are purely at one end of the spectrum or the other. There are rightists who smoke weed, listen to black music, even identify as gay. There are leftists who shoot guns, go to church, and feel uncomfortable around the transgendered. The "left" and "right" labels are convenient but not always accurate.

I'm really embarrassed by those who are so intent on muzzling opposing viewpoints but I also know that a large percentage of those college kids are pretty immature — I know I was at that age — and I suspect that most of the violence (a la Berkeley) erupts from very small groups of militants not aligned with conventional "liberal" ideology — probably not even college students.

But I still disagree with your "censorship" charge. There's nothing wrong alerting sponsors to the fact that they are underwriting a destructive ideology which might conflict with their desired corporate image. Call it "blackmail" if you want but not censorship.

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@cicerone imposter,

Like I've said before there's plenty of heterosexual couplings that would turn one's stomach. Imagine Donald Trump's face bearing down on you mid orgasm. Melania deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for putting up with that.

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@georgeob1,

I don't know how I will ever recover from that tongue lashing... Rolling Eyes

You will notice Izzy never engages anyways, he throws **** like a monkey and then shuffles back to his den until the next poop throwing event takes place, which is usually when someone says something he disagrees with.

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@georgeob1,

Yes, george. It's why I'm reading Machiavelli and you're not reading Jane Mayer.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

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I honestly don't understand why many of you even get out of bed in the morning.

Probably because we don't fit your "pussy liberal" description. (How the hell did you come up with that term? It's awful. "Fussy liberals" would be better.)

You may not be familiar, but in America men have historically demeaned women so much that the mere act of having a pussy is supposed to be undesirable.

Pussies are in fact much stronger than testicles. So if either sex should have their reproductive organs turned into an insult, it's us guys.

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@georgeob1,

Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.

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@izzythepush,

Response moderated: Personal attack. See more info.

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@blatham,

By the way, george, on Machiavelli...

He has a magnificent mind. One way that shows up immediately is how he crafts his sentences and paragraphs (I'll leave aside the translation issue on the presumption we have an accurate duplication). He's very easy to read because he writes to be easily understood, as good prose writers and good historians do that craft.

But some significant problems appear quite immediately:
1) his tendency to mythologize classical Rome (he uses the term "perfection" to describe a certain period in how he sees this history 1500 years previous
2) he is, as most everyone was in the time and place, deeply influence by Catholic theology, particularly the notion of "the fall"
3) he is without the tools that present historians have re documentation, archaeological information, etc
4) those problems or deficiencies are even more pronounced for Levi

Still, a delightful read.

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@hightor,

When you say "we", who do you mean? You? I'd agree that you don't fit that description as you aren't hanging from the rafters screaming bloody murder about anything and everything that Trump does or says.

It is censorship. Instead of opting to just not be a viewer, they want other people to also not be viewers or to support them in any way. They define hate speech as though they themselves aren't doing the exact same thing.

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@maporsche,

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You may not be familiar, but in America men have historically demeaned women so much that the mere act of having a pussy is supposed to be undesirable.

Pussies are in fact much stronger than testicles. So if either sex should have their reproductive organs turned into an insult, it's us guys.

You don't speak for America, just yourself.

Thanks for a great example of conventional self-loathing correctitude. I find it a bit hard to believe that anyone really believes that ****.

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@McGentrix,

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georgeob1 wrote:

Indeed you appear to be unable to come up with any metaphors to support your propaganda beyond these very shopworn Nazi images.

Among the very first victims of the Nazi program were "sexual deviants" or "undesirables".

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@blatham,

While reading, do you also wear a black turtleneck sweater and a beret while sipping some exotic espresso in a tiny cup with your pinky out?

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@georgeob1,

Oh no, I'm speaking about American history. Do you deny the 2nd class citizenship given to women throughout the last 240 years?

I'm curious why you think pussy is an insult. Who's it insulting?

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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georgeob1 wrote:

Indeed you appear to be unable to come up with any metaphors to support your propaganda beyond these very shopworn Nazi images.

Among the very first victims of the Nazi program were "sexual deviants" or "undesirables".

Who had victimized anyone in this thread beyond Izzy and his vulgarity that you seem to align with?

Am I a Nazi? Do I victimize "sexual deviants" or "undesirables" when I discuss them? Is that what it has come to that we can't even have a discussion about transgendered people and gender without being branded Nazi and yelled at by some brit wannabe hooligan?

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@McGentrix,

It's not my pinky that's out.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Oh no, I'm speaking about American history. Do you deny the 2nd class citizenship given to women throughout the last 240 years?

I'm curious why you think pussy is an insult. Who's it insulting?

You've obviously lived an insulated life.

There is no relation between a woman's genitals and a coward. The meaning of "coward" comes from something else. Many people think that "pussy" is an diminutive of pusillanimous, ask George about it in a Latin thread.

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pusillanimous

showing a lack of courage or determination; timid.

The word pussy can also be used in a derogatory sense to refer to a male who is not considered sufficiently masculine (see Gender role). When used in this sense, it carries the implication of being easily fatigued, weak or cowardly.

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@blatham,

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It's not my pinky that's out.

Maybe so, but it's probably the same size.

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@cicerone imposter,

Reich is out of his mind, none of those things are impeachable.

Trump can conduct business and make money from a business, China granting permits for licencing is not a gift.

Baning certain new organizations from a press conference isn't running afoul of the 1st Amendment.

Accusing the former President of something ins't against the law either, Obama spent 8 years relying on Bush bashing to get through as President, was that against the law?

The US Constitution only applies to those who are on US soil, it does not apply to those outside of the US.

Nice try though.

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@McGentrix,

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Am I a Nazi? Do I victimize "sexual deviants" or "undesirables" when I discuss them? Is that what it has come to that we can't even have a discussion about transgendered people and gender without being branded Nazi and yelled at by some brit wannabe hooligan?

Actually I wasn't thinking of you at all when I wrote that. It was as regards another poster.

But beyond that, I have no patience for presumptions which posit homosexuals or crossdressers or transgender humans as being less worthy or less legitimate as equals to anyone else. They are just less common and perhaps confusing.

One could have a negative response to them (the "ecchh" thing) but itself provides no basis for any calls for society to marginalize or maltreat them. That's all about the person's own response. Most of us nearing my age grew up in a cultural milieu which derogated gays, for example. As kids and even as young adults, we cracked "homo" jokes. A "queen" would have seemed a monstrosity.

But all of that is not because a man dressed like a woman is a monstrosity. It's because we were isolated and prejudiced such that we apprehended and responded in certain ways.

Yet we have a duty, as humans, as citizens, to grow past such immaturities. And certainly not just for the sake of the community but for the sake of our own capacity to change our minds and include others less fortunate in how they were born.

PS... I meant to add that the "ecchh" response can also arise at the thought of two very overweight heterosexuals having sex. Or two 90 year olds. So the response can tell us about how we are genetically programmed to achieve the greatest likelihood of producing offspring but that's all.

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