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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 03:31 am
@jcboy,
Great link, jcboy. Thanks.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 03:53 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Your English might be proper - but when spoken it sounds twisted, nasty

Well, I post facts. Liberals have a very strong discomfort with facts because facts always contradict Liberalism's demented ideology.


saab wrote:
and full of sh-it.

No. As always, my facts are all in order.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 03:55 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
It seems like the freedom of the press is under pressure under Trump

It's not.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 04:17 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
You may have noticed that there is in fact no evidence attested at all that the Democrats or liberals in fact ever even committed crimes, just a whole lot of wild, unsubstantiated bloviating

We haven't even had a special prosecutor investigate the Democrats for their wrongdoing yet. You're getting ahead of yourself.

You'll hear all about the evidence once the trials start.


MontereyJack wrote:
to try to deflect attention from the fact that there is a whole lot of evidence against him.

Wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever that Trump has committed any crime.


MontereyJack wrote:
Impeach Trump Now..

Even if there was evidence against him (and there isn't), no one would care after the way the Democrats placed Bill Clinton above the law.
hightor
 
  3  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 05:47 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Even if there was evidence against him (and there isn't), no one would care after the way the Democrats placed Bill Clinton above the law.

That seems laughably optimistic and pitifully partisan. If evidence emerges (maybe from his tax returns?) that Trump has been involved in questionable activity — and people feel that this behavior is more serious than lying about sex — you'll even see his former supporters shouting, "Lock him up!" Although they'll tolerate them, and even vote for them, USAmericans don't particularly like sleazebags. But they hate it when they realize they've been tricked into supporting a two-faced lying huckster. Nixon won in a real landslide — two years later he was in political exile.
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 05:54 am
@hightor,
No chance. The Republicans are not going to let the Democrats to set up a system where the law applies to everybody but them.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 05:54 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

That seems laughably optimistic and pitifully partisan.


Isn't it always. From the BBC.

Quote:
Now it has emerged that five Trump advisers, including the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, interacted with the Russian ambassador, Sergei Kislyak.

But in response to the Russian revelations, one senses a certain tension between their partisan and patriotic instincts.

But the Republican patriotic voice expresses nagging concerns that Russia, America's great post-war adversary, could have subverted US democracy and that requires investigation. The Kremlin's nefarious activities have to be exposed.

This conflict between the partisan and patriotic explains their somewhat half-hearted approach to the investigation.

Four Republican-controlled congressional committees could end up looking into the Kremlin's alleged meddling, but the Republican leadership has dismissed calls from the Democrats to appoint a special prosecutor, an independent counsel over whom they would have little control.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39157527
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gungasnake
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 06:58 am
https://conservativedailypost.com/trump-leak-now-points-to-bezos-hidden-600m-deal-with-obama-cia-to-feed-washington-post/
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 07:34 am
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 07:35 am
Bork might end up actually taking that offer from Tarantino to play the witch doctor in the new Tarzan movie.....
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layman
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 07:51 am
As I've noted before, Trump was schooled by Roy Cohn, who always thought the best defense was a good offense.

Trump knows how to stir up some ****, and then just let it simmer on the stove indefinitely. He alleges that Obama wire-tapped his ass, then refuses to say more about it.

Now the left will deny it, and say Trump must prove it. Journalists from the right will supply the evidence. There will be a series of accusations, with evidence, followed by defensive denials from the left. IT will become the new story.

In the meantime Trump can get back to the serious business of running the country without having to defend himself from every chickenshit allegation that comes down the pike from the left--they will be busy trying to cover their own ass.

The media is furious to see that Trump is willing, and knows how, to play their game and use their own sorry tactics against them. It just aint no fair, I tellya!

Played, yet again, by Trump, eh, cheese-eaters?
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 07:58 am
True story: LBJ once suggested to his campaign manager that they start spreading the rumor that his opponent fucked farm animals.

His campaign manager said; "C'mon, Lyndon, you know that's not true."

Johnson just said; "Yeah, but let's make his sorry ass deny it."
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 09:45 am
Trump tweets charge that Obama wiretapped Trump's phones.
Clapper says that's bullshit.
Comey says it's bullshit.
(Trump apparently got his "intel" from Breitbart and Mark Levin)

Then:
Quote:
On Sunday, the president demanded a congressional inquiry into whether Mr. Obama had abused the power of federal law enforcement agencies before the 2016 presidential election. In a statement from his spokesman, Mr. Trump called “reports” about the wiretapping “very troubling” and said Congress should examine them as part of its investigations into Russia’s meddling in the election.
NYT
We probably should have seen that second part coming. The goal here is to use that original falsehood to muddy up the present focus on Trump/Russia by first, promoting the falsehood of tapping and then second, by tossing out another call to congress for another investigation that might direct attention away from Trump rather than at him. "Look, there's reason to suspect everyone not just Trump" and "See, even Obama is dirty".

This is straight into Nixon territory.





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blatham
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 10:02 am
More on the above:
Quote:
“Everybody acts like President Trump is the one that came up with this idea and just threw it out there,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, a White House spokeswoman, said on “This Week” on ABC News. “There are multiple news outlets that have reported this. And all we’re asking is that we get the same level of look into the Obama administration and the potential that they had for a complete abuse of power that they’ve been claiming that we have done over the last six months.”

Ms. Sanders pointed to reports in “multiple outlets,” including The New York Times, as the foundation for the allegation. Mr. Levin, the radio host, likewise read from a series of mainstream news reports during an appearance on “Fox & Friends” on Sunday.

“The evidence is overwhelming,” he said. “This is not about President Trump’s tweeting. This is about the Obama administration’s spying, and the question isn’t whether it spied.” He added, “The question is who they did spy on, the extent of the spying — that is, the Trump campaign, the Trump transition, Trump surrogates.”

But the news organizations he and Ms. Sanders cited have not reported that Mr. Obama tapped Mr. Trump’s phones, as the president claimed on Twitter.
NYT
That bolded bit nails down the propaganda message I was speaking about just above.

Also, it's worth noting a fundamental and very old propaganda device being used here - "multiple sources say". This device isn't just used by propagandists, of course. Any political message (or marketing message) is far more effective at influencing minds if it comes from multiple sources because coverage and credibility is increased. It only becomes propaganda where a falsehood is knowingly forwarded in such a manner. Right wing media entities, Fox is a prime example, depend upon this device using it to first place a falsehood then encouraging the spread of it into other more credible media.
giujohn
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 10:18 am
@blatham,
And what blather doesn't state is that Levin's sources are all LIBERAL SLANTED purveyors of propaganda. So it's either more fake news and there's nothing there...Or Obama is the ******* sleeze ball we always thought he was.

Trump is forcing the issue so that Congress has to take up the mantle of investigation and force the Democrats to go along so that we can finally end this bullshit about reds under the beds instead of having this Russian bullshit dribble out bit by bit like Obama had originally planned.
blatham
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 10:38 am
Now here's something you don't see every day. A modern Republican politician citing Eisenhower's warning from his speech at the end of his term.
Quote:
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), an advocate of improved relations between the United States and Russia, said he has told friends in the administration that Trump is being punished for clashing with the hawkish approach toward Russia that is shared by most Democrats and Republicans.

“Remember what Dwight Eisenhower told us: There is a military-industrial complex. That complex still exists and has a lot of power,” he said. “It’s everywhere, and it doesn’t like how Trump is handling Russia. Over and over again, in article after article, it rears its head.”
WP
The GOP has traditionally been the party that has supported what Rohrabacher indicts here - the US military machine with all its huge and highly profitable weapons and logistics companies. Let's note too that Trump's plans call for a $54 billion increase (a 10% increase) in defense expenditures (which will undoubtedly be "funded" through shifting money from many other programs which the far right wants to kill or disempower).
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camlok
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 10:41 am
@layman,
That's hardly the lowest point for US presidents; there have been myriad US presidents that have gone much lower with their lies.
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blatham
 
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Mon 6 Mar, 2017 10:43 am
Quote:
President Trump is now wallowing in fury, we are told, because he can’t make the Russia story disappear; he can’t stem the leaks to the media; and he can’t seem to realize his promises. Some reports tell us that unflattering comparisons to Barack Obama’s early accomplishments are “gnawing at Trump,” while others say he went “ballistic” when Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the Russia probe, because it telegraphed capitulation to Trump’s foes.

But all of these things are connected by a common thread: Trump is enraged at being subjected to a system of democratic and institutional constraints, for which he has signaled nothing but absolute, unbridled contempt. The system is pushing back, and he can’t bear it.
WP - internal links in first graph
Greg gets this exactly right. Trump is an authoritarian personality and an open democracy is not a system where he has the means or tendencies to be successful.
gungasnake
 
  0  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 10:47 am
@layman,
Quote:
True story: LBJ once suggested to his campaign manager that they start spreading the rumor that his opponent fucked farm animals.

His campaign manager said; "C'mon, Lyndon, you know that's not true."

Johnson just said; "Yeah, but let's make his sorry ass deny it."


One thing I've noticed about assholes and villains over a long period of time is that they all excel and accusing others of the same stupid **** which they themselves habitually perpetrate.
camlok
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Mar, 2017 10:48 am
@layman,
Quote:
As I've noted before, Trump was schooled by Roy Cohn, who always thought the best defense was a good offense.


No, Roy Cohn thought the best defense was a pack of lies on top of a pack of lies, and it seems clear that Trump, and some considerable others, took it all to heart.

Quote:
A mentor in shamelessness: the man who taught Trump the power of publicity
Roy Cohn, the lawyer who embraced infamy during the McCarthy hearings and Rosenberg trial, influenced Donald Trump to turn the tabloids into a soapbox

...

His careful manipulation of negative attention is something that Trump noticed immediately when the two met in 1973. Trump and his father had just been sued for allegedly discriminating against black people in Trump’s built-and-managed houses in Brooklyn, and sought out Cohn’s counsel. Among other things, Cohn advised that Trump should “tell them to go to hell”. Cohn was hired, and one of his first acts as Trump’s new lawyer was to file a $100m countersuit that was quickly dismissed by the court. But it made the papers.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/20/roy-cohn-donald-trump-joseph-mccarthy-rosenberg-trial


Does he remind you of anyone like you, ... I mean, anyone you know?
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