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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 05:47 pm
@blatham,
He's a con. That he can bandoozle so many is a testament to Barnum's "there's a sucker born every minute."
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Sat 4 Mar, 2017 05:53 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Make America poisoned again.
Quote:
"Before the chair in his office was even warm ... Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke undid a director's order to phase out the use of lead ammunition and fishing tackle over the next five years on more than 150 million acres of National Wildlife Refuges and other agency lands and waterways."
Advances in Liberty huzzah


The United States has clearly defined action levels for lead contamination in soil and groundwater. Nothing approaching them has been found in our national parks, wildlife reuges and wilderness areas. - even in streams and adjacent areas intensly used by sport fishermen and frequent hunting areas. This rule was recently enacted by armchair environmental snowflakes and through the intense lobbying of various action groups to cure a problem that doesn't exist, just to satisfy those who want badly to tell others how to live.

Significantly, I find it truly amazing that a bored Canadian would ever raise this issue with regard to the United States. Canada has virtually no environmental law west of Ontario and certainly has no restrictions such as this in any of its wilderness areas.

I find it both odd and offensive that Blatham would raise this **** given the remarkable contrast between environmental stewardship in this country, compared to his own, and wonder why he isn't directing his presumably benevolent nagging closer to home. Canadian exports of the products of relatively unregulated (compared to the USA) mines of all kinds, timber resources and, most importantly, tar sands petroleum, give it a large trade surplus. However without these exports, which go largely to the United States, Canada is a major importer. Most of the river basins, from the Bow river in the south to the Athabasa in the north of Alberta are lined with innumerable deep black lakes of toxic residue from the separation of bitumen from the tar sands, which is already finding its way into the groundwater. The number of these toxic lakes and ponds increases almost daily. It's a dirtier form of fossil energy than almost all of our coal production,and involves extensive, long-lasting pollution from the separation process and the necessity of burning roughly 30% of the petroleum extracted just to power the separation - before any useful petroleum is produced..

In effect U.S. environmental law yields an extensive trade subsidy to Canada which exploits it with an indifference to the environmental consequences that would never be tolerated here. The hypocrisy involved here is truly sublime .... if not epistemological.

Perhaps that's how Canada pays for its Health care system. I've heard that some in our new administration are contemplating a provision in our new health care law that would require drug producers to sell their products to our government (For Medicare, Medicaid and Vetrans programs) at the same price as negotiated by Canada and other nations that use their government as the only buyer, thereby getting huge discounts. Given that we currently pay retail rates, that will quickly raise the price for all these self-righteous actors.
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 06:06 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
just to satisfy those who want badly to tell others how to live.

Perhaps the stupidest thing you've ever written.
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sat 4 Mar, 2017 06:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The Obunga family, Bork and Mike...

If I put myself in the position of the guy ordered to convince the world that I'd scanned some sort of a real birth certificate for Bork Obunga, the very last thing I'd ever do is post some six or seven part pdf file on the internet. I'd anticipate my own mother and grandmother calling me a lying SOB... The ONLY thing I'd ever post would be some pure bitmap image, either a bmp or tif image.

Moreover, any technically competent person that the Bork (Obunga) admin were to give that assignment to would have known that; you have to assume that whoever did that scan and post had to be a near computer illiterate.

Then you ask yourself why a near computer illiterate would have drawn that assignment, and the answer is not difficult. When Attila the Hun died, the Huns killed every member of the burial detail which had buried him so that his grave would never be found. When Genghis Khan died, same thing, to this day nobody has any clue as to where either Attila or Genghis Khan might be buried.

There are some assignments which nobody wants despite any glory which might be attached to them, simply because no amount of money would compensate for the occupational hazards attached to them and being the only person on Earth to know what exactly had been posted on the internet for the benefit of Bork Obunga's continued general recognition as a "natural born US citizen(TM)" is one of them.

My guess is that either Bork himself or some member of his immediate family posted that pdf file.

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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Sat 4 Mar, 2017 06:20 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
just to satisfy those who want badly to tell others how to live.

Perhaps the stupidest thing you've ever written.


What's stupid about it? The rule addresses a non existent problem and the lead contamination from fishermen's lost lures and weights is too small to be measured.

More to the point you haven't yet addressed your own rather gross hypocrisy in this matter. ( instead it appears you are trying to distract attention or evade a difficult - for you - issue). Canada has never had any such rules for its natural reserves - ever, and, more significantly, hugely profits from extraction industry processes that haven't been allowed in this country for decades, some never (we have ample shale oil reserves in the Rocky Mountains and have never allowed them to be extracted) Cross the northern border and its Katie bar the door.

How is it that you criticize a neghboring country for relaxing meaningless environmental restrictions, which your own country has never had, and in a situation in which the prevailing environmental standards in your country lag those here (and in Europe) by such a large margin?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 06:56 pm
@georgeob1,
This may be of some interest to you and blatham.
Copy and paste on search.
shalegas_fullreporten.pdf

http://scienceadvice.ca/uploads/eng/assessments%20and%20publications%20and%20news%20releases/shale%20gas/shalegas_fullreporten.pdf

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roger
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 07:07 pm
@georgeob1,
I support the prohibition of lead shot over flyways. Ducks and probably geese mistake it for gravel and use it in their craws to grind food. At that point, the hazard is real. Elsewhere? It sounds kind of pointless.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 4 Mar, 2017 07:10 pm
@roger,
The following should be enough information on lead shot to do away with it.
http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/campaigns/wildlife_abuse/toxic-lead-ammunition-poisoning-wildlife.html?referrer=https://search.yahoo.com/
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blatham
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 07:38 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
What's stupid about it?

You assignment of motivation is really stupid, george. If control of your preferences was the thing, then you'd be told/forced to play Scrabble rather than Monopoly. To eat vanilla ice cream rather than strawberry. That is, the content would not be the issue.

You bring up my citizenship again. It's irrelevant. There's nothing I say that isn't said my millions of Americans. But you find an ad hominem use in doing this, so you continue doing it. Continue if you want. I'm not bothered.

georgeob1
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:02 pm
@blatham,
There's no ad hominem in the sense your are asserting. This is just another effort on your part at distracting the dialogue from your persistent self-serving deceptions and hypocrisy. You appear to be instead interested only in preserving a position you oddly appear to value here and to advance political positions in another country that you appear to favor.

Again, I'm merely pointing out the facts that these and many other elements of the political policies and practices of my country are far more restrictive and supportive of environmental stewardship than are those of yours. I see no indication that you have lately or ever criticized Canada on any of these matters, though you raise them here as part of a highly partisan domestic issue in a neighboring country not your own. This raises obvious and directly relevant questions anout your motives, standards and personal integrity, that immediately and direrctly relate to the rather lengthy stream of highly partisan attacks you have made here, attacks that are themselves replete with the most personal of attacks on the motives, ability and even sanity of our elected leaders.

Your behavior in this area demonstrates a marked lack of real interest in the material you use, and an indifference to the rational application of the ideas you advance in any application other than the character assasination and partisan attacks in which you indulge to the exclusion of almost everything else here. In this you confirm your indifference to the reality of the issues you raise, or any application of the standards you apply to us in your own country. This demonstrates a remarkable lack of intellectual integrity on your part and a breathtaking level of self-serving hypocrisy.

Sad.

glitterbag
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:06 pm
@blatham,
I've owned firearms and we still have an old shotgun that belonged to my husbands father. His dad was a hunter, but neither of us participate in hunting, and really the last time I fired a weapon was at a firing range. I hadn't really given a great deal of thought to lead pellets (I'm embarrassed to say) but isn't the entire globe better off if we keep lead out of the bodies of living things? I am careful about surplus medications and turn them in when the county offers to safely dispose of them, household chemicals are also disposed of thru county organized drives. It takes a little more planning to dispose of hazardous waste, but isn't that our responsibility? We know how cholera is spread and we know how to prevent that, so let's just agree to keep the areas clean and as toxin free as possible.
oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:12 pm

Cool! We're bombing Yemen right now!

30 airstrikes so far. More to come.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-idUSKBN16A0K0

Bonus points to be awarded for all collateral damage!
Joke.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:18 pm
@glitterbag,
I think most of us who handled guns back when we were young was another time when we didn't worry about our environment when we shot guns or went fishing with lead sinkers. That came much later.
glitterbag
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:25 pm
@georgeob1,
Really???? Breathtaking level of self serving hypocrisy??? I find your airy dismissal of half the country and our allies as hypocrites or worse to be a serious character flaw. But, perhaps you actually are the smartest guy on campus. I hope that's ample satisfaction for you, because you are not a very enjoyable person to read when all you care to do is carp about how ridiculously stupid all the other members are compared to you.

I find it incredible that you want to believe there is a safe amount of lead that can be tolerated. I'll bet if you thought consuming minute amounts of lead would cause male infertility you would be leading the charge.
glitterbag
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think you're right, we had lead in paint, lead in gasoline and my grandfather used lead sinkers. But when we learn what the consequences are for young babies, wildlife and the environment we really are derelict if we don't correct the problem. I'm sure I used leaded gasoline in my GTO back in the day, and that monster only got 9 miles to the gallon.
gungasnake
 
  -1  
Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:40 pm
The ONLY problem there is with lead shot is the question of waterfowl ingesting them and with the advent of the Federal BlackCloud shells, there is no need for lead shot for shooting ducks or geese. Ducks hit with that stuff are generally dead when they hit the ground.

The idea of banning lead BULLETS on the other hand is idiotic and forcing our military to abandon lead core bullets is basically treasonous.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
You really should update your education!

It is funny how the Left always allege ignorance whenever they are confronted with facts that contradict their demented ideology (which, Leftists being Leftists, turns out to be every fact in existence).
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oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:42 pm
@saab,
saab wrote:
If you do not know the name of person, do not know which political party they represent and do not know what they do for living how can you then say they are extreme leftists.???????

Oh that's easy. I watched them destroy the Nobel Peace Prize by abusing it for their Leftist temper tantrums.

You see, whenever you see someone throwing a Leftist temper tantrum, that is a surefire indication that they are a Leftist.


saab wrote:
Personally I would be deeply ashamed of showing such a extreme stupidity.

The fact that YOU could not figure out the basic logic that I used to identify the extremism of the Nobel Committee is a reflection of YOUR intelligence, not of mine.

The fact that you thought that this would be a reflection of my intelligence instead of your own, is a further indication of your limitations.

You should not be ashamed though of the fact that you have only a very small fraction of my intelligence. Just be happy with what you have.
oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
oralloy's use of "leftist" as if it has a negative connotation shows how clueless he is. The left gave us social security and the civil right's law. Maybe, he's willing to forego those benefits.

The Left just attempted to eradicate the Second Amendment. It was only Trump's election that saved our country from devastation.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Mar, 2017 08:45 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
I support the prohibition of lead shot over flyways. Ducks and probably geese mistake it for gravel and use it in their craws to grind food. At that point, the hazard is real. Elsewhere? It sounds kind of pointless.

The trouble is, the Democrats planned to outlaw lead-free ammo by referring to it as "cop killer ammo".

Outlawing both lead ammo and lead-free ammo would leave people with nothing to shoot with.
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