@blatham,
blatham wrote:
I'll respond here as well.
That's not the case (other than in right wing media land). The consensus actually is, as hightor suggests, that we have no way of discerning whether it was consequential or not.
If there is no way to discern whether it was consequential or not would make it inconsequential. Take a look back at Superbowl 51. Edelman made an AMAZING catch in a drive late in the 4th quarter that went on to score a touchdown and eventually win the Superbowl. Was his catch influential in the game? Yes, it helped stoke up the team and keep a drive alive and will live on through the ages as one of the most amazing Superbowl catches ever. However, in the overall scheme, was that one catch consequential to the Patriots winning the game? Probably not. Brady was on fire the second half of the game. The catch happened and the Patriots won. Not because of that one catch though.
blatham wrote:Quote:Do you feel that the political culture in the US could actually get more unstable than it has been since 9/11/01?
This is a very odd demarcation point re "stability". Though it was tragic (I was in tears that morning) the actual consequences were not nearly so profound as the financial collapse. And the event itself did not create some significant inflection point where partisanship was suddenly made more extreme. One could make a good case that the SC's involvement in the 2000 election not only made a significant change in the partisan divide but that it demonstrated a clear divide already in place.
I am sure we could trace back party divides to George Washington. But the amount of hatred spewed towards W was a new thing in American politics. Yeah, people complained about Carter and Reagan and Bush 1 and Clinton, but the utter hatred and contempt brought forth at the beginning of the information age was a new thing. 24 hour news cycle needed fodder. Then we were attacked and the country came together for like an hour (yeah I know it was longer, I use hyperbole for effect) and then the split worsened. The Patriot Act and heightened security and endless war divided the nation further. Then Obama and the Presidency that will be looked back on by historians as one of the worst blunders in history. Yeah, 9/11 was the start of the great schism in American politics.
blatham wrote:Quote:This is the thing that pisses me off about the whole Russian hacking thing.
Russia's hacking IS important for all the obvious reasons. But it isn't the relevant matter now facing the US (and other nations as well) which is Russia's moves to destabilize western democracies and to create disunity between them. Hacking is merely one tool they use to that end.
As to computer system security, the Iranian enrichment program that was targeted (by the US and Israel, almost certainly) with the Stuxnet worm, was an isolated system. The consensus is that the virus was inserted via a thumb drive. So isolation isn't going to mean security in any absolute sense. Further, that Iranian system compared to the US government was the size of a thimble compared to 20 dump trucks which makes isolation illusory. And, as we know from decades of experience now, bad-actor tech types can fairly quickly get the best of the security systems that even the biggest and most wealthy tech firms have in place with huge staffs dedicated to security.
I don't mean to say that the US or any government ought not to look for ways to increase security. Obviously they must. But I doubt the key problem here is insufficient funding put towards this.
Thumb drives can be easily disabled across a vast array of computers. So can any kind of non-work related activity. An isolated network is more than possible and is not like in the movies. 90% of systems are hacked through social hacking than computer hacking. Train people and keep them up to date and hacking goes away. Unfortunately the Govt can not hire only smart, capable people to work for them so they will always be susceptible to attacks.
Make me CIO of the US Govt IT dept and I can say that within 5 years, it will be unhackable as long as I am allowed to make the rules and do not need to have some kind quota system or hiring freeze. A very large budget will also be necessary.
I've seen the computer systems the government uses and the people running the IT dept. It's sad. So sad.