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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 01:07 pm
@farmerman,
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Yeh but you always leave with a smile when youve been fucked by the trailer babes.

I don't know of any other verb more likely to produce a smile.
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 01:10 pm
@farmerman,
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I thought the "MY FRIENDS" line was quite telling.

No kidding. And there was the earlier example of him telling his member-guests at Mar a Lago that they were "the special people".
blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 01:16 pm
On the earlier statement I referenced above of Trump saying that "nobody understood the complexity" of Obamacare, Benen gets it exactly right.
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Everyone knew that health care policy could be complicated. Everyone. It was complicated when Democrats spent months shaping the Affordable Care Act. It was complicated when Republicans spent seven years working behind closed doors on their alternative to the ACA. It was complicated for generations as policymakers in both parties launched various efforts to extend health security to Americans for the better part of a century.

To be surprised by its complexity is to be alarmingly ignorant of the debate that’s been ongoing for decades. It appears the only person in America who assumed health-care policy is simple is the one Americans elected president.
Benen

And Benen adds...
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But that’s not all Trump said this morning. The Republican, apparently aware that polls show the ACA’s support reaching an all-time high, added, “People hate [Obamacare] but now they see that the end is coming and they say, ‘Oh maybe we love it.’ There’s nothing to love.”

I listened to this comment a few times, and I’m still not entirely sure it means. Americans love the policy they hate? There’s nothing to love about your family having health insurance?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 01:17 pm
@blatham,
As we all know, Trump's vocabulary is very limited. He has his favorite adjectives, limited to 3 or 4 words.
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 01:28 pm
At Vox, Ezra Klein interviews Elizabeth Drew. It is definitely something you should attend to (a one hour podcast). Drew who now writes at the New York Review of Books had been working at the New Yorker when the Watergate story was in it's very early phases and she covered that for them from start through finish. In this podcast, she and Ezra talk about a lot of things including similarities and differences between that period and this one (the differences outweigh the similarities). Drew thinks it likely that Trump will not get through four years and she sees this much as I do.
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/25/14738452/elizabeth-drew-ezra-klein-watergate-trump
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 01:56 pm
I haven't been keeping up with news as I normally do over the last five days or so (medical situation in my family) so had no opportunity to comment on Bannon's "deconstruction of the administrative state" speech. But you really want to pay attention to this.

The least interesting aspect here is the laughable irony in a right wing type going full post-modernism and fans lauding this brilliant use of language previously considered to be spawned in the bowels of hell (he actually means "destruction" but "deconstruction" apparently sounds more intellectual).

The vastly more important element is addressed by EJ Dionne:
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This is a war on a century’s worth of work to keep our air and water clean; our food, drugs and workplaces safe; the rights of employees protected; and the marketplace fair and unrigged. … Trump and Bannon are happy to expand the reach of the state when it comes to policing, immigration enforcement … and the browbeating of individual companies that offend the president in one way or another. The parts of government they want to dismantle are those that stand on the side of citizens against powerful interests.
WP
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:07 pm
@blatham,
Here's one (many out there) on Trump's tyranny.
http://www.salon.com/2017/01/04/robert-reich-15-warning-signs-of-impending-trump-tyranny_partner/
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gungasnake
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:10 pm
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/our-miserable-21st-century/

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On the morning of November 9, 2016, America’s elite—its talking and deciding classes—woke up to a country they did not know. To most privileged and well-educated Americans, especially those living in its bicoastal bastions, the election of Donald Trump had been a thing almost impossible even to imagine. What sort of country would go and elect someone like Trump as president? Certainly not one they were familiar with, or understood anything about.
Whatever else it may or may not have accomplished, the 2016 election was a sort of shock therapy for Americans living within what Charles Murray famously termed “the bubble” (the protective barrier of prosperity and self-selected associations that increasingly shield our best and brightest from contact with the rest of their society). The very fact of Trump’s election served as a truth broadcast about a reality that could no longer be denied: Things out there in America are a whole lot different from what you thought. ......

cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:17 pm
There's good reason for Trump to have the lowest rating during his first month in office.
Some people are just blind to the facts.
Trump is a bigot and liar. Oh, he also has a history of scamming people.
People who support such trash needs to have their brains examined.
blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:19 pm
Here is some relevant history I did not know.
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On April 12, 1982, Yuri Andropov, the chairman of the K.G.B., ordered foreign-intelligence operatives to carry out “active measures”—aktivniye meropriyatiya—against the reëlection campaign of President Ronald Reagan. Unlike classic espionage, which involves the collection of foreign secrets, active measures aim at influencing events—at undermining a rival power with forgeries, front groups, and countless other techniques honed during the Cold War. The Soviet leadership considered Reagan an implacable militarist. According to extensive notes made by Vasili Mitrokhin, a high-ranking K.G.B. officer and archivist who later defected to Great Britain, Soviet intelligence tried to infiltrate the headquarters of the Republican and Democratic National Committees, popularize the slogan “Reagan Means War!,” and discredit the President as a corrupt servant of the military-industrial complex. The effort had no evident effect. Reagan won forty-nine of fifty states.

New Yorker
Now, contrast that with our recent election and where ex KGB dude Putin saw Russia's interests best served. Also, I did not know this:
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(Russian state television derided Obama as “weak,” “uncivilized,” and a “eunuch.”)
Not at all different from the way the right in the US has commonly described Obama. (The moral here being, if you find yourself talking just like some Hell's Angels or like Charlie Manson, reflect on this)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Did you hear Ryan and McConnell divert the issues facing Trump?
Ryan: Must prevent Obamacare from collapsing.
What happened to their repeal? Their primary goal during the campaign.
Trump's order doesn't change the plan. So, what are they talking about?
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:20 pm
@gungasnake,
To repeat it yetagain. The peoples choice w as Hillary. We REJECTED Trump,wisely, ver wjsely. His first five weeks have been afreaking disasttrr. If he hasn't led us into another stupid war by year.'end i'll be surprised. LOCK HIM UP.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Trump just said Obamacare has failed. Where's his repeal and replace. Is that just another Trump lie?
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Ofcourse jit is.
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Did you hear Ryan and McConnell divert the issues facing Trump?
Ryan: Must prevent Obamacare from collapsing.
What happened to their repeal? Their primary goal during the campaign.

Yes. To be expected. Pretty much everyone I attend to made the easy prediction that once these guys might be forced to actually do a repeal/replace project (rather than just talk about it, promise it and cast some 40 votes that did nothing but serve a propaganda function) they were going to be neck deep in ****.

But that is modern conservatism in the GOP. Trump is unique only in how often he lies and how blatantly he does it.
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:40 pm
Relevant local news. The British Columbia government (which is actually a pro-corporate right wing government though running under the "Liberal" banner) has just ceased all school bus trips into the US out of concern for how US immigration might treat many students (we have a lot of students born outside of north america and many from asia or the middle east).
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Baldimo
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Yes, I agree that Trump is not a one issue president. He doesn't know our Constitution, and his first EO was to ban all Muslims from entering the US.

How much BS can you pack into a single sentence. He never banned all Muslims coming into the country, he banned them from 7 nations. That isn't all Muslims.

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It's a good thing a federal judge in Washington overturned his bigoted EO.

There was nothing bigoted about his EO, it was just short sighted in how it handled immigrants already allowed in the US.

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He also showed his bigotry by calling Mexicans "criminals and rapists."

Did he say all Mexicans? No, he didn't, stop lying. Do you happen to think every single person who comes into the US illegally is the epitome of an upstanding citizen of their country?

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He also has a history of bigotry by not renting to blacks.

In the 70's? That was 40 years ago and would be a history, but did it continue?

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. He also has a history of being a misogynist; bragging that he can grab any woman by the crotch, because he's so famous.

You don't like him because he talked about doing something, but you worship at the feet of Bill Clinton who actually did grab women by their crotches. You have no moral high ground here.

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Check out Politifact on "Trump lies." He lies over 70% of the time.

It's good to finally see the news reporters doing their jobs, but why did they wait till Trump was in office? Obama gave them plenty to fact check but since they agree with him, they used his lies and the lies of others to push BS news stories.

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Shame on you!

Shame on you for having your eye's closed for the last 8 years and drinking the media juice. Obama lied a lot in his 8 years and the left leaning media kept their mouths shut. Even basic things like his lie about background checks on 40% of gun sales. That was easy to disprove, but the media said the same lie and never once called Obama or any left wing politician out for the lie... they promoted the lie. They can't be trusted!
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farmerman
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 02:51 pm
@MontereyJack,
you must remember, the donut chompers are "math limited". Even Trump feels hes scored a larger popular plurality, instead of angative one
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oralloy
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 03:15 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
His first five weeks have been afreaking disasttrr.

Just the opposite. Obama and Hillary were on the verge of destroying the Second Amendment.

Mr. Trump is going to reverse that and protect our civil rights from the Democrats.
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oralloy
 
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Mon 27 Feb, 2017 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Trump just said Obamacare has failed. Where's his repeal and replace. Is that just another Trump lie?

According to the evening news that I heard last night, they just unveiled a plan ahead of the state of the union speech.

It will eliminate subsidies to the poor for buying insurance on the exchange and replace them with tax credits.

It will eliminate the individual mandate (which to be fair was not being enforced seriously anyway). Insurers will once again be able to deny new policies to people with preexisting conditions. People with preexisting conditions will be offered special "high risk pool" plans that have much higher deductibles and much higher premiums.

The Medicaid expansion will be replaced with block grants to the states. The law will limit the number of people that a given state can place on their Medicaid program.
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