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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 26 Feb, 2017 12:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's a sample of Trump lies.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Sun 26 Feb, 2017 12:10 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Honestly, I think people really do need to be guarded against the worst excesses of our nature but by the time this is widely realized it will be too late.


This, I believe, is one of the greatest divides between the liberal and conservative mind set. There is no personal responsibility in the liberal nanny state. There is nothing wrong with allowing people to fail. It is perfectly allowable to have people in society that just can't hack it. These people have existed all through human history.

I do not understand the liberal aversion to failure and allowing people to fail. You do not get participation trophies in life.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 26 Feb, 2017 12:14 pm
@McGentrix,
What makes you think people don't fail under either party?
Some people need help through government sponsored benefits. Our mother raised four children by accepting government welfare.
My older brother became an attorney, my younger brother a doctor, and my sister an RN. I earned a degree in Accounting, and worked in management for over 80% of my working career. Our taxes have paid back handsomely for the benefits we received.
America is the land of equality and opportunity. That's the reason why so many people from around the world immigrate to this country.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 12:16 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
I do not understand the liberal aversion to failure and allowing people to fail. You do not get participation trophies in life.
It's not a "liberal" but a Christian attitude ...
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 26 Feb, 2017 12:31 pm
@McGentrix,
44% of the homeless are working people.
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 12:33 pm
@hightor,
I think it's important to get beyond the usual, often recited dilemmas and focus on the specifics of the issues being addressed. I have not heard any significant expressions of resentment for government's failure to create retraining or new technical training for folks displaced by dying industries. However I have heard as lot of furustration for a government that puts so much costly and useless paperwork and liability on the new enterprises that might replace them, or which supports the labor unions that foolishly resist productivity & quality enhancing investment in automation, in the name of "protecting" workers ( in nature intelligent parasites don't kill their hosts: labor unions are inept parasites that kill theirs.)

Finding a balance between the current economic interests of people and long-term concerns for the environment is usually the first casualty of contemporary environmental debate. One needs only to consider the fact that within two years economically motivated natural gas & petroleum producers, armed by new directional drilling techniques, and motivated by a search for profits, accomplished far more reduction in carbon emissions than had decades of wasteful, idiotic Federal subsidies in corn-based ethanol and wind farms. It turns out that the Al Gore's of this world are not only lousy scientists, the also don't understand human nature very well.

A couple of basic observsable facts;
==> The first effects of government subsidies of economic activity are to stifle all prioce competition and efforts to improve proiductivity; and the creation of an organized political lobby to preserver the subsidy.
==> Human beings are industrious only out of necessity ( a quote from the Roman Historian Livy),

The truth of these precepts can be seen in the fiascos of government subsidized loans for college tuition, the untouchable and ineffective (both economically and environmentally) corn-based ethanol subsidy; the failure of the War on Poverty job trsaininn prograsms and the now fogotton benefits of welfare reform over twenty years ago.

Our bureaucratic state promotes economic sclerosis, dependency and the loss of creativity and prosperity ...... very much as did the (far worse) experiment of Soviet socialism in the 20th century.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Sun 26 Feb, 2017 01:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
I do not understand the liberal aversion to failure and allowing people to fail. You do not get participation trophies in life.
It's not a "liberal" but a Christian attitude ...


We're talking about the government, not society Drax. Society should take care of the poor, etc. But, it shouldn't be the governments responsibility. I think you will find most Americans very charitable and caring. Even those nasty Republicans.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 01:42 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Society should take care of the poor, etc. But, it shouldn't be the governments responsibility.
Might be so, Chief McG.
But since I'm influenced by our history and culture, I've a different view.
A history professor at PennU (Thomas Max Safley) wrote some really interesting books about how it worked in Early Modern Germany - mainly in Lutheran/Evangelical states. And that [the Protestant religion] is the main reason that in the 1840's Prussia reformed the existing poor laws ... to welfare laws.

As an aside: Ferdinand of Bavaria, Prince-elector archbishop of the Archbishopric of Cologne, allowed (in 1637) the Franciscan order to found a monastery in my native town. The town's magistrate, however, only gave allowance to built a chapel and two house, if the monks opened a "Gymnasium" (grammar school", 'Antonianum') with pre-university courses) and cared for the poor. When the monastery was closed in the early 19th century, it became the first Westphalian District poor house. ("Landesarmenhaus", in the 1830's).
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Debra Law
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 01:57 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

The irony is just dripping. I may need rubber boots.


McG: I have never accosted any person and demanded to know if he was in my country illegally. Nor have I taken a gun and shot someone dead because I was overcome with irrational hate and xenophobia. Shove your rubber-booted criticism up your own behind.


The contrast between McGentrix' lighthearted irony and Debra's shrill, indignant anger could not be more stark and amusing.


I'm not interested in your announcements of flippant amusement. You spew concocted **** all the time as if it is gospel and never offer a shred of evidentiary proof.

True patriots and supporters of our Constitution aren't going to try and sweet talk the neo-Nazi regime and it's hateful supporters into being nice. The haters and xenophobes have been emboldened and they are a national embarrassment. Here's another recent example of "you" people emboldened over the new regime's attack on the transgender minority:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/horrific-responses-trans-kid-discrimination_us_58b05990e4b060480e073632

Laugh at that, why don't you. Show us more of your true colors.


hightor
 
  3  
Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:12 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
I do not understand the liberal aversion to failure and allowing people to fail.

I think everyone knows that a certain percentage of our population lacks the skill set, socially and technically, to make a material success of their lives. I'll let the hand-wringers cry about that. What concerns me is large-scale societal failure — poisoned neighborhoods, suffering communities, blighted regions — and a growing population of poor, unhealthy, and very resentful people. Economic nationalism (Bannon's phrase) may be a great rallying cry for the flaggots but unrestrained corporate power, just like unrestrained state power, is not automatically a benign force.
Debra Law
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:17 pm
The First 100 Lies: The Trump Team’s Flurry Of Falsehoods

Quote:
The Huffington Post tracked the public remarks of Trump and his aides to compile a list of 100 incidents of egregious falsehoods. Still, it is likely the administration has made dozens of other misleading and exaggerated claims.

1. White House press secretary Sean Spicer falsely claimed the crowd on the National Mall was “largest audience to ever witness an inauguration.” (Jan. 21)

2. Trump falsely claimed that the crowd for his swearing-in stretched down the National Mall to the Washington Monument and totaled more than 1 million people. (Jan. 21)

3. As Trump fondly recalled his Inauguration Day, he said it stopped raining “immediately” when he began his speech. A light rain continued to fall throughout the address. (Jan. 21)

4. During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump claimed the media made up his feud with the agency. In fact, he started it by comparing the intelligence community to “Nazi Germany.” (Jan. 21)

5. During his speech at CIA headquarters, Trump repeated the claim that he “didn’t want to go into Iraq.” He told Howard Stern in 2002 that he supported the Iraq War. (Jan. 21)

. . .


More at source.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:17 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:


I'm not interested in your announcements of flippant amusement. You spew concocted **** all the time as if it is gospel and never offer a shred of evidentiary proof.

Laugh at that, why don't you. Show us more of your true colors.


Well you were interested enough to provide us this extra sample of your hysterical invective.

What "evidentiary proof" have you ever offered for whatever you call the stuff you write here? Hyperventillation and name-calling is all I see.
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Yes, I agree that Trump is not a one issue president.


More of a bodily issue president.
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Debra Law
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:


The dozens of proven lies are just the tip of the iceberg. There are exaggerations, contradictions, and threats/bullying running amok. Trump's words, the ones we can actually understand are meaningless because he has shown that his actions contradict his words. People throughout the nation and the world are watching in shock and disgust.
timur
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:39 pm
Debra Law wrote:
People throughout the nation and the world are watching in shock and disgust.

Quite an euphemism.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:42 pm
@timur,
Yes. But Deb is very smart and accomplished: she can speak for all the people in the world - and does so frequently and usually with a bit of hysteria and invective.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:54 pm
@timur,
It wasn't that much of a shock, this is the same electorate that gave us Dubya.
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Debra Law
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:56 pm
Bernie Sanders warns Republicans worried about protests: You haven't seen anything yet

Quote:
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders appeared on CNN’s OutFront with Erin Burnett on Thursday night where the two discussed the many Republican town halls happening across the country, and in some cases, GOP representatives’ decision to avoid them.

Burnett asked Sanders if he understood why some representatives are concerned for their safety because “they’ve been told they have a chance of being killed.”

Sanders responded, “No, I don’t. No, I honestly don’t. And I don’t accept it for a minute. If you don’t have the guts to face your constituents, then you shouldn’t be in the United States Congress.”

Sanders continued to explain that it’s fine to have police and security at the meetings if necessary, “but don’t use that as an excuse to run away from your constituents after you support repealing the Affordable Care Act, throwing 20 million people off of health insurance, doing away with pre-existing conditions.”

Burnett later asked Sanders about White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer’s assertion that there are paid protestors and agitators showing up at these town halls. “Can you say, senator, with absolute certainty that what he said is not true?” she asked.

“Look, I hope I do not shock your viewers by telling you that the White House occasionally lies,” Sanders said, “and that’s just another lie.” He went on to explain that the uprising in the United States in this moment is a response to losing health care among other rights. “I think you are seeing people organizing effectively, but unlike the Tea Party, this is not being funded by billionaire class,” said Sanders.

“There are people all over this country now — and by the way it’s not just Democrats, there are Republicans who are looking at Trump and the White House and they’re saying, ‘Hey, you told us, Mr. President, that you were not going to cut Social security, Medicare and Medicaid,'” Sanders continued.

Sanders expanded on some of the concerns of voters, adding, “‘You sent out a million tweets promising us you wouldn’t do it, now you have brought into your administration people whose whole career is based on cutting Social security, Medicare and Medicaid. You told us, Mr. President when you were campaigning, you were going to stand up to Wall Street. You brought half of Wall Street into your administration. What’s going on?'”

The former Democratic presidential nominee said later, “I think the Republicans have not seen anything yet. If they’re worried about the protests they’re seeing, they’re going to see more. This coming Saturday we believe there will be well over 100 protests."


Watch the clip available at the linked caption.

The resistance is moving forward.
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hightor
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:56 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
One needs only to consider the fact that within two years economically motivated natural gas & petroleum producers, armed by new directional drilling techniques, and motivated by a search for profits, accomplished far more reduction in carbon emissions than had decades of wasteful, idiotic Federal subsidies in corn-based ethanol and wind farms.

Ethanol was and is a boondoggle — and it has less to do with environmentalism than it does with the power of big agriculture and its Republican allies. Shale gas and tar sand crude have been a big help by replacing coal and overseas petroleum, but even the energy industry knows that the supplies will become increasingly expensive to extract — and the environmental cost has not really been factored in.

I get the feeling that the current administration's approach is that all environmental initiatives are bad and environmental science is a "hoax". But I can think of two measures which have made a big difference — the phasing out of ozone-depleting chemicals and the installation of scrubbers to control acid rain. These are the kinds of problems that industry is unlikely to undertake by itself.
Quote:
Our bureaucratic state promotes economic sclerosis, dependency and the loss of creativity and prosperity (...)

Maybe we need to come up with new paradigms of societal success. It's very possible that we've already seen the best of it. The excesses of the nanny state may pale when compared to the excesses of the system that tries to replace it. Don't be so sure that simply undoing everything that no longer works efficiently is the key to creating a capitalist paradise. There are reasons those choices were made and those regulations put on the books and those reasons could be evident before Trump and company are even finished gloating over their repeal and destruction.
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timur
 
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Sun 26 Feb, 2017 02:57 pm
@georgeob1,
I don't know if her comment was a fortunate happenstance but, having myself some knowledge of what's going on in the world outside the US, I can attest that her comment is not an alternate fact..
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