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BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 05:20 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Be serious. Standing up to progressive thuggery doesn't betray the nation.


What thugs my friend other then the ones breaking windows/doors and killing cops and looking to hang the vic president and others?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 05:24 pm
@BillRM,
Progressives are thugs by their very nature. They abuse their power to harm people who disagree with them. They violently attack people who disagree with them. They spout childish name-calling at people who disagree with them.

Progressives are just plain bad people.
vikorr
 
  2  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 05:29 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
I guess you had not seem the news for the last few days but hint a Republican president had betrayed our nation with the result of five deaths and a looted congress buildings.
Come now, he couldn't have possibly known that making widespread allegations of fraud, then telling people to come and protest it's going to be wild etc. would lead to such a riot.

I mean claiming he could have foreseen that is just wild speculation...same as claiming that the Capitol Police could have predicted that a white crowd would have stormed the Capitol Building after all that leadup...it's just nonsense talk...

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Region Philbis
 
  2  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 05:42 pm

Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump
(cnn)

oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 06:13 pm
When the Republicans retake the Senate in 2022, I think it's time for new leadership.

It's also good that Trump supporters sat on their hands instead of going out to vote in Georgia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mitch-mcconnell-trump-impeachment.html
Rebelofnj
 
  5  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 06:29 pm
‘They Got a Officer!’: How a Mob Dragged and Beat Police at the Capitol

Quote:
The Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol building by a pro-Trump mob left a police officer and a rioter dead. More than 50 members of the U.S. Capitol Police were injured, including 15 who required hospitalization, most of them with head wounds, according to Representative Tim Ryan, Democrat of Ohio.

Of all the scenes of violence, one of the most intense occurred during a struggle to breach a west-side door, during which multiple rioters dragged police officers out of a formation and assaulted them while they were trapped in the crowd.

There was widespread speculation on social media that one of the officers was Brian Sicknick — the U.S. Capitol Police officer who died after being hit in the head by a rioter wielding a fire extinguisher. But videos show the officers involved in this incident were members of the Metropolitan Police Department.

Here’s how the assault happened.

Shortly after 2 p.m., the mob on the Capitol’s west side forced its way through the final, thinly-defended police barricades and reached the building’s walls.

Hundreds of rioters swarmed toward a west-side doorway that’s traditionally used when presidents emerge for their inauguration ceremonies.

They surged into the doorway, and an hours-long fight to breach the Capitol began.

Not long after the start of the struggle, rioters were captured on video pulling a Metropolitan Police officer down the stairs. In a video, some rioters can be heard urging others not to hurt him.

News photographers on the scene captured images of the officer caught in the crowd, which began chanting “police stand down!”The mob pulled the officer away, and rioters continued to try to force their way past the police defending the doorway.

The mob pulled the officer away, and rioters continued to try to force their way past the police defending the doorway.

They climbed on top of each other to attack the officers with stolen Capitol Police shields, sticks and poles.

During a brief lull, some rioters appeared to give up and retreat down the stairway.

But a new group lunged toward the police and started a new attack. At the front of the mob, they exchanged blows with the police and struck officers with hockey sticks, crutches and flags. Some rioters shouted “Push! Push!”

One of the attackers, a man wearing a white and blue hat and a green jacket, reached into the doorway, grabbed an officer and dragged him out, aided by a man in a gray hooded sweatshirt.

As they pulled the officer down the stairs, face down, another rioter beat him with an American flag as the mob chanted “USA! USA! USA!”

Seconds later, two other men — one wearing a red hat and tactical vest bearing a “sheriff” patch — began yanking the legs of another officer who had fallen to the ground.

With the aid of a third man in a gray jacket, they pulled the officer down the steps as well. One rioter appeared to punch him while he was on the ground.

One of the two dragged officers can be seen standing up before being mobbed and punched.

Some rioters called on others not to hurt him as the mob led him away.

The Times sent an image to the Metropolitan Police Department of the officer, whose helmet number is clearly visible on video. Dustin Sternbeck, a spokesman for the department, said he did not want to try to identify the officer because many may have put on other officers’ helmets.

Sternbeck said he hoped more officers would be able to share their stories with the public soon. “They just feel beaten up,” Sternbeck said.

At least four of the individuals who can be seen dragging and beating the officers in the videos reviewed by the Times match images included on a Metropolitan Police list of “persons of interest.”

They are suspected of assaulting police officers and could face federal charges.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/capitol-mob-violence-police.html
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blatham
 
  4  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 06:38 pm
@Region Philbis,
Quote:
Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump

Beware this individual. I'm awarnin' ya.
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 06:51 pm

Quote:
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
· Nov 7, 2018
Hey liberals, do you notice that when conservatives lose races we don’t riot, scream, smash windows, burn cars, assault people, or need days off of work?

It’s amazing how mature and civil conservatives are

Please remember this and take notes when we get Trump re-elected in 2020
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:03 pm
@oralloy,
Your prediction about 20 solid years of republican dominance starting in 2016 didn't work out so well either.
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:06 pm
In rare joint message, top U.S. military leaders condemn Capitol riot

Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, the uniformed leaders of the different military branches, on Tuesday put out a rare joint message to service members saying the violent riots last week were an assault America’s Constitutional process and against the law.

The message breaks nearly a week of silence by the military leaders after the assault on the Capitol by supporters of President Donald Trump sent lawmakers into hiding and left five people dead.

While a number of Trump’s cabinet members, including acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, had condemned the violent storming, the top U.S. general, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley, had been silent until now.

“The violent riot in Washington D.C. on January 6, 2021 was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process,” the seven generals and one admiral said in an internal memo to troops, adding that the military remained committed to protecting and defending the Constitution.

“The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection,” the memo, obtained by Reuters, said.

“Any act to disrupt the Constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values, and oath; it is against the law.”

U.S. officials said Milley had not commented on last week’s events because he wanted to stay out of politics.

The silence was in sharp contrast to June, when Milley made a controversial walk to a church with Trump after law enforcement officers backed by National Guard troops used tear-inducing chemicals and rubber bullets to clear the area of peaceful protesters

Some service members have privately expressed concern that they had not been getting any direction from senior leaders in the aftermath of the harrowing attack on American democracy on Wednesday.

There has also been a renewed focus at extremism within the U.S. military after the Capitol storming, with a large proportion of service members being white and male.

The Army told Reuters on Tuesday that it was working with the FBI to see if any attackers were current service members and with the Secret Service to see if any of the nearly 10,000 National Guard troops securing President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration would need additional screening.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-capitol-military/in-rare-joint-message-top-u-s-military-leaders-condemn-capitol-riot-idUSKBN29H2WF
Rebelofnj
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:10 pm
Vice President Pence has sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, saying he will not invoke the 25th Amendment against President Trump.

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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:12 pm
@MontereyJack,
That's a bit off topic from what was being discussed.

But since you brought it up, note that historical patterns indicate that Mr. Biden is likely to be a failed one-term president (like Carter) followed by a strong Republican leader (like Reagan).
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:25 pm
@oralloy,
That's kind of a ahard argument to make when a huge mob of conservative thugs staged a violent coup attempt with blood in their eyes and attempted to lynch people who disagreed with them, to lynch people who had acted perfectly legally and constitutionally and corrcctly and outnumbered them because the democratic ideas were far more sensible than the conservative ones, and far more people voted for them. conservatives are not good people.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:30 pm
@MontereyJack,
Don't be silly. A peaceful protest is not a coup.

The only ones who are trying to lynch people who disagree with them are the progressives.

It never fails that people who oppose civil liberties will invoke some variation of "sensible" to justify themselves.
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:36 pm
@oralloy,
Capitol mob built gallows and chanted ‘Hang Mike Pence
NATIONAL NEWS
by: JILL COLVIN, Associated Press

Posted: Jan 9, 2021 / 12:07 PM CST / Updated: Jan 9, 2021 / 12:07 PM CST

TOPSHOT – A noose is seen on makeshift gallows as supporters of US President Donald Trump gather on the West side of the US Capitol in Washington DC on January 6, 2021. – Donald Trump’s supporters stormed a session of Congress held today, January 6, to certify Joe Biden’s election win, triggering unprecedented chaos and violence at the heart of American democracy and accusations the president was attempting a coup. (Photo by Andrew CABALLERO-REYNOLDS / AFP) (Photo by ANDREW CABALLERO-REYNOLDS/AFP via Getty Images)

They were never a natural fit, the straight-laced evangelical and the brash reality TV star. But for more than four years, President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence made their marriage of political convenience work.

Now, in the last days of their administration, each is feeling betrayed by the other. It’s part of the fallout from an extraordinary 24-hour stretch in which Pence openly defied Trump, Trump unleashed his fury on the vice president, and a mob of violent supporters incensed by Trump’s rhetoric stormed the Capitol building and tried to halt the peaceful transfer of power.

The Trump-Pence relationship is “pretty raw right now,” said one top GOP congressional aide, who described multiple phone calls in which Trump berated Pence and tried to pressure the vice president to use powers he does not possess to try to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Pence, for his part, was left feeling “hurt” and “upset” by the episode, according to people close to him. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters.

Pence’s decision to publicly defy Trump was a first for the notoriously deferential vice president, who has been unflinchingly loyal to Trump since joining the GOP ticket in 2016. Pence has spent his tenure defending the president’s actions, trying to soothe anxious world leaders put off by Trump’s caustic rhetoric, and carefully avoiding the president’s ire.

He has taken on some of the administration’s most high-pressure projects, including leading its response to the coronavirus. And he has stood by Trump even as the president leveled baseless allegations of voter fraud and refused to concede the election after his loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

Under normal circumstances, the vote-tallying procedure that began on Wednesday would have been a mere formality. But after losing court case after court case, and with no further options at hand, Trump and his allies zeroed in on the congressional tally as their last chance to try to challenge the race’s outcome.

In a bizarre interpretation of the law, they argued that the vice president had the unilateral power to reject Electoral College votes supporting Biden. The Constitution makes clear that only Congress has that power.

The effort effectively turned Pence into a scapegoat who could be blamed for Trump’s loss if the vice president refused to go along with the plan. Trump and his lawyers spent days engaged in an aggressive pressure campaign to force Pence to bend to their will in a series of phone calls and in-person meetings, including one that stretched for hours on Tuesday.

When Pence, who consulted with his own legal team, constitutional scholars and the Senate parliamentarian, informed Trump on Wednesday morning that he would not be going along with the effort, the president “blew a gasket,” in the words of one person briefed on the conversation.

Not long after, Trump took the stage in front of thousands of his supporters at a “Stop the Steal” rally, where he urged them to march to the Capitol and continued to fan false hopes that Pence could change the outcome.

“If Mike Pence does the right thing we win the election,” Trump wrongly insisted. He repeatedly returned to Pence throughout his speech as he tried to pressure the vice president to fall in line.

But Trump already knew what Pence intended. And as Trump spoke, Pence released a letter to Congress laying out his conclusion that a vice president cannot claim “unilateral authority” to reject states’ electoral votes. He soon gaveled into order the joint session of Congress where his and Trump’s defeat would be cemented.

Not long after that, members of Trump’s rally crowd arrived at the Capitol, where they overwhelmed police, smashed windows, occupied the building and halted the electoral proceedings. Pence was whisked from the Senate chamber to a secure location, where he was held for hours with staff as well as his wife and daughter, who had been there to support him.

Trump did not call to check in on his vice president’s safety during the ordeal and instead spent much of Wednesday consumed with anger over Pence’s action, tweeting, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.”

Later, members of the mob outside the Capitol were captured on video chanting, “Hang Mike Pence!”

For allies of Pence, it was a deeply upsetting episode that put the vice president in danger after four years of unstinting loyalty to the president and left Pence himself feeling hurt.

“I just think he’s had enough,” said John Thompson, who served as Pence’s campaign spokesman and and also worked for the Republican Governors’ Association.

“Yesterday just really pulled on his heartstrings,” Thompson said. “He’s been this loyal individual and the president was asking him to break the law and act outside his constitutional duties. I think it just reached a boiling point and the vice president said, ‘I’ve had enough.'”

Republican Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma told Tulsa World, “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.”

“He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump),'” Inhofe added.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, an informal Trump adviser, also came to Pence’s defense, tweeting that his action was “a profile in courage.”

It remains unclear how the dynamic between Trump and Pence will play out over the next two weeks and how long the president will hold his grudge. The White House declined to discuss Trump’s thinking, but allies said Pence intends to spend the next two weeks focused on the transition.

He is also expected to attend Biden’s inauguration.

And while Pence had been banking on his close relationship with the president to propel him to top-tier status if he decides to run for president in 2024, allies said they didn’t think the vice president’s actions this week would have long-term consequences, even if some voters blame him for Trump’s defeat.

“I thought that was a very courageous moment for him,” Thompson said. “And I think that’s going to help his future.”

___ Associated Press writers Alan Fram and Zeke Miller contributed to this report.

https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/national-news/capitol-mob-built-gallows-and-chanted-hang-mike-pence/
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Rebelofnj
 
  1  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:38 pm
@oralloy,
Biden himself has hinted over a year ago that he expects to serve only one term as President, possibly due to his age.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129

If Biden decides to not run again, it is very likely that Harris would be the Democratic candidate in the 2024 election.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:42 pm
@Rebelofnj,
I'll be voting for Mr. Trump if he decides to run again in 2024.
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Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:44 pm
@oralloy,
According to the recently released letter by Vice President Mike Pence, he viewed those protests as "horrific" and "tragic".

Not to mention, the rioters were trying to lynch Pence for going against Trump and not overturning the election results.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:49 pm
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
How about this 'Everybody thinks you are as dim as a bar of soap' is that hyperbole for "I may disagree with you"?


You and the English majors have fun thinking that’s hyperbole. You still ain’t got a pair.




That's not my interpretation, It's apparently what you propose........it's NOT hyperbole if it's just an exaggeration of something NO ONE EVER SAID. I don't know why you are digging down on this, you made a mistake or mis-spoke.....it's not the end of the world....it doesn't mean you're stupid, it just means you're obstinate.
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Builder
 
  -3  
Tue 12 Jan, 2021 07:50 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Quote:
The Army told Reuters on Tuesday that it was working with the FBI to see if any attackers were current service members and with the Secret Service to see if any of the nearly 10,000 National Guard troops securing President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration would need additional screening.


They already know that special services staff infiltrated the false-flag mission, and now have Pelosi's laptop, as well as other crucial evidence of sedition, fraud, and treason.

And to think it's going to take ten thousand troops "to ensure a peaceful transition to power" is about as farcical as it could possibly get.

Biden isn't liked at all by the population, and this situation is most certainly the result of fraudulent actions by the DNC in the "election" process, and not anything else.
 

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