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layman
 
  -4  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:06 am
NBC is sorry to report that it has failed to achieve it's goal, eh?

Quote:
NBC Politics ✔ @NBCPolitics
President Trump reaches 32 days, won't be shortest U.S. president http://nbcnews.to/2meLq7d


Don't they know that pulling off an assassination takes a lot of planning time?

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giujohn
 
  -2  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:24 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Quote:
Please provide proof that university education is leftist?


Of course Universities are leftist! They train you to think for yourself and to shun Fox news and Lambaugh type productions.


I might ask if you are ******* joking but I know you have no sense of humor. Train to think for yourself? Try expressing conservative thought in a leftist liberal professors classroom and see what he thinks of your independent thought. They don't teach you to think for yourself they teach you WHAT to think... and if you don't immediately adhere to the liberal leftist way of thinking you are immediately shunned and ostracized.

This type of indoctrination is commonly referred to as brainwashing.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:30 am

One of the terrorists who was released from Guatanamo (and who was paid £1,000,000 compensation by the British government), just suicide bombed himself against the soldiers trying to reclaim Mosul from Islamic State.

Nice job, liberals!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/22/how-jamal-al-harith-became-isis-suicide-bomber-manchester-iraq-guantanamo

(Yes, I know he was released under the Bush Administration. But they would have been happy to leave the little bugger in his cell at Guantanamo if not for all the Leftist histrionics.)
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giujohn
 
  -3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:32 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Here's what ya get when ya aint go no border wall, eh?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arb_YCZgra8[/youtube]





I say fire more shots a cross the ******* border more often and we'll see a drop in border incursions
layman
 
  -2  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:33 am
Do not, NOT, I SAID, mess with no black woman. They aint playin:

Quote:
Vickie Williams-Tillman, 56, was being hailed as a hero, The Advocate reported. Williams-Tillman was driving to a store, listening to gospel music on her radio, when she spotted the Baton Rouge officer and the suspect.

Baton Rouge police spokesman Sgt. L’Jean McKneely said the suspect grabbed the officer’s baton and repeatedly bashed him on the head with it, and also tried to grab the officer’s gun.

"I could see in his eyes he needed help," Williams-Tillman told The Advocate. "You don't have time to think about it … I did what God needed me to do."

Authorities said the Louisiana woman “made a big difference” Sunday when she jumped on a suspect’s back to save a police officer from a brutal beatdown.

Soon after Williams-Tillman jumped on the man’s back, police backup arrived and the suspect was apprehended after being shot with a stun gun. The 44-year-old officer was not identified.

Williams-Tillman said she didn’t think twice about helping the officer. "It was something that went through my soul," she said. "You don't think about the risk."

The police officer suffered a few wounds to his head. Williams-Tillman injured her wrist.

The officer and Williams-Tillman embraced in a hug after they were both treated at the hospital.


You go, Girl!
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layman
 
  -4  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:35 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

I say fire more shots a cross the ******* border more often and we'll see a drop in border incursions


Exactly, John. We should have bot machine guns blasting 24/7 all along the border. That would learn they sorry ass, eh?
giujohn
 
  -2  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:38 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

giujohn wrote:

I say fire more shots a cross the ******* border more often and we'll see a drop in border incursions


Exactly, John. We should have bot machine guns blasting 24/7 all along the border. That would learn they sorry ass, eh?


Hey I say if they want a war give him a ******* War.
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 09:57 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I suppose someone could try to make that argument but it would be hard to see why the profusion of free speech and free press over the web would change the underlying purpose of the 1st Amendment. More words moving around faster and distributed more widely — it's still just words and ideas (and money, thanks to Citizens United). It would be difficult to argue that the founders only intended a certain quantity of free speech; it doesn't make sense.


I cannot understand how you can say this about one amendment and then do a 180 on the next.

"It would be difficult to argue that the founders only intended a certain quantity of infringement; it doesn't make sense."

Quote:
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Where do you see that they intended a certain amount of infringement? We've already banned military weapons and, for the most part, America is ok with that.

You read the minority opinion, now read the majority opinion (parts from wiki.)
Quote:
The Supreme Court held:[44]

(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

(c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.

(d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.

(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.

(f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

(3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition – in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute – would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.


As you can see, the majority opinion disagrees with Judge Stevens.

That some people are frightened of the way a gun looks bothers me not. From the musket to the AR-15, the purpose is to propel an object really fast at a target. Whether that is to get food, prove you are better at it, to defend your home or to kill a nation's enemy doesn't matter. The Constitution is clear that the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Unless you don't like guns, then you can muddy it all up.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:00 am
@hightor,
Quote:
More evidence of the problems that occur when an 18th Century anachronism becomes enshrined and firearms become a fetish for the fearful.


The only fearful ones are the people doing everything they can to restrict gun rights, they are fearful of the object and fearful of the people who buy them. The anti-gun crowd are the scared ones, and they are scared for no reason. As it has been pointed out, gun ownership has been on the rise in the last few decades and crime rates, for the most part, are down as well. If the pro-gun people were as violent as you claim they are, there would be a lot more violence and death but that isn't the case.

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But seriously, constitutional interpretation aside, why are military-styled weapons, which are designed to throw out a lot of lead (inaccurately) in a short period of time necessary for purposes of self-defense? Why start a civilian arms race? Actually it's well under way, but why promote it?

Everything you just said above proves what I and others have been saying. You know nothing about guns and continue to prove that with every post you make. There is no such thing as a civilian owned military-style weapon, it's a fabrication of the left. We'll take each point on it's own.

Designed to throw out a lot of lead : Says who? Source material? Have you ever fired an AR-15? I have and I've also fired many real military weapons, and I can tell you a 240 or 240B throw out a lot of lead, but they are full auto weapons and not semi-auto like an AR-15. They are also primarily belt fed weapons, which again the AR-15 is not.

Quote:
(inaccurately)

Once again have you ever fired one? Many full auto weapons are inaccurate, but they are almost they way be design. They are meant to keep enemy troops heads down so the other soldiers can move around and destroy the target/enemy. The AR-15 by comparison is highly accurate but it is only semi-auto and not full auto or even burst fire like the M-16A2 is. Not even the military uses the full auto M-16 any more and they haven't used it since the 80's. The M-16A2 only has 2 fire modes, single shot like an AR-15, and burst fire, which is a 3 shot burst. AR-15's do not have this option, they are only single shot weapons, meaning squeeze the trigger and 1 bullet is fired, you must release the trigger and pull it again for it to fire.

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in a short period of time for purposes of self-defense

I think I've covered the difference between full-auto, burst, and semi-auto. Do you now understand why this statement is silly in light of what each weapon does and how they function? It's fear mongering language from fearful people, and that's it.

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Why start a civilian arms race? Actually it's well under way, but why promote it?

What civilian arms race? That sounds like more fear mongering against guns and the people who own them. If gun owners were as violent as you want them to be, our murder rates would be much higher. Why are you so scared of guns?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:27 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
More evidence of the problems that occur when an 18th Century anachronism becomes enshrined and firearms become a fetish for the fearful.

The Leftist idea that freedom and civil rights are an anachronism is why it was so important for the voters to turn the Democrats out of power.


hightor wrote:
But seriously, constitutional interpretation aside, why are military-styled weapons, which are designed to throw out a lot of lead (inaccurately) in a short period of time necessary for purposes of self-defense? Why start a civilian arms race? Actually it's well under way, but why promote it?

The weapons we are talking about here are guns with harmless cosmetic features like a pistol grip on a rifle.

Having a pistol grip on a rifle does not make it a military weapon.

Having a pistol grip on a rifle does not make it shoot faster.

Having a pistol grip on a rifle does not make it inaccurate.

The reason why it is necessary to permit pistol grips on rifles is because there is no reason to prohibit them. The government is only allowed to pass laws that impact a Constitutional right if there is a good reason for doing so.


hightor wrote:
Why start a civilian arms race? Actually it's well under way, but why promote it?

What arms race? At any rate, if the Constitution protects our right to have a given type of weapon, it protects our right to have that type of weapon, period.

The reason to ensure people have access to that weapon is because that is what the Constitution demands be done.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:28 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Quote:
Why start a civilian arms race? Actually it's well under way, but why promote it?

To make money. What else?

The reason why we make certain weapons available to the public is because that is what the people have the right to have.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:29 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Yup. That's the key motivation in this. And this includes NRA biggies who get paid a million a year, personally.

Nope. Money has nothing to do with our defense of our civil rights.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:30 am
Trump's federal hiring freeze forces two Army bases to close child-care programs


I think I am going to get me a specially made license plate which says, "ya'll voted for him." It will be true where I live.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 10:31 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Given the wording of the amendment I find it difficult to believe that the founders had in mind a citizenry armed with the latest military firearms holed up in their homes waiting for some hapless intruder to open the door.

I missed the part where they said the militia should only be equipped with obsolete weapons.

The wording of the right specifies that people have the right to keep arms as well as to bear them. Clearly people retain possession over their weapons even when they are not serving on militia duty.

If they only meant people to possess weapons while they were on militia duty, the mere right to "bear" arms would have covered that.


hightor wrote:
I know, you'll ask who made me a constitutional authority. So I'll let Justice Stevens make the point:

I don't care about credentials. I care about quality of argument.


Quote:
The Second Amendment was adopted to protect the right of the people of each of the several States to maintain a well-regulated militia. It was a response to concerns raised during the ratification of the Constitution that the power of Congress to disarm the state militias and create a national standing army posed an intolerable threat to the sovereignty of the several States. Neither the text of the Amendment nor the arguments advanced by its proponents evidenced the slightest interest in limiting any legislature’s authority to regulate private civilian uses of firearms. Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment intended to enshrine the common-law right of self-defense in the Constitution.

Even if the militia-related right is separated from the "the common-law right of self-defense" (which Stevens clearly acknowledges exists), the Ninth Amendment protects all common law rights that were not covered by any other amendment.

So even under his argument, the Left are violating our rights if they do not protect the right to have self defense weapons.

There is also another big problem with the Leftists who interpret the Second Amendment as being militia-only. Under such an interpretation, the government is required to have a militia. And the people who advance this argument never seem to get around to setting up that militia.

It is impossible to credibly argue that a right only applies to militiamen unless you first produce some militiamen for the right to apply to.


hightor wrote:
But when a decision like this is decided in a 5-4 vote in a highly politicized atmosphere, it gives one reason to believe that the decision could be overturned in the future by a 5-4 (or greater) majority. It could happen.

Thus the critical importance of keeping the Democrats out of power. They're coming for us, and they mean to abolish our freedom.


hightor wrote:
The dissenters in Heller were not radicals or authoritarians bent on suppressing freedom. They just held a different interpretation which had been in the judicial mainstream for years.

The trouble with their interpretation is that it can only be credible if there actually was a militia. And they never seem to get around to producing a militia for people to join.

Also, moving civilian self defense off to the Ninth Amendment does not justify violating the right.


Quote:
Quote:
When we no longer need people to keep muskets in their home, then the Second Amendment has no function ... If the Court had properly interpreted the Second Amendment, the Court would have said that amendment was very important when the nation was new; it gave a qualified right to keep and bear arms, but it was for one purpose only—and that was the purpose of having militiamen who were able to fight to preserve the nation.[219]

- Justice Ginsburg op cit

This Ginsburg character doesn't know what she is talking about. The Second Amendment is not about need. The Founding Fathers established a clear preference for the militia and a clear requirement that we have one.

As the requirement for the militia has never been removed from the Constitution, it has the same legal force today that it had at the beginning.


hightor wrote:
And even under the currently recognized right as an issue of "self-defense" it's hard to see why some 75 year old grandmother in a crack-infested housing project needs an AK 47 and a banana clip or a 50 caliber sniper rifle. Just sayin', you know?

Need has nothing to do with anything. The questions are: "Is there a good reason for restricting this weapon?" and "Is this type of weapon at the very core of the right?"
hightor
 
  5  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 12:03 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
You know nothing about guns and continue to prove that with every post you make.

That's a nice way to have a conversation — accuse someone of being totally ignorant. Okay.

My point, Baldimo, is that you don't need modern military-styled weapons to protect yourself in the case of a home intrusion. Maybe in the case of a zombie apocalypse but not to protect the cash register at the local bodega. The "militarized" guns being sold today are marketed specifically for that purpose — to pander to a certain type of customer:
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Ffiles%2Fremington-rifle.jpg&f=1
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%2Fhnn.us%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F154225-GunAd.png&u=http://historynewsnetwork.org/sites/default/files/154225-GunAd.png

Quote:

Designed to throw out a lot of lead : Says who? Source material? Have you ever fired an AR-15?

I never mentioned the AR-15. And yes, I've fired the M-16 on semi-auto and full auto. But just having the option of high-capacity magazines on a semi-auto changes the character of the weapon, gives it more offensive capability. As far as hunting goes, and for the type of hunting I do, a big, slow bullet works just fine and I don't need fifty rounds ready to chamber.

Quote:
What civilian arms race?

Every time there's a major gun incident, such as Sandy Hook, there's a predictable upswing in gun sales.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Frussia-insider.com%2Fsites%2Finsider%2Ffiles%2F1449081687-54d1b53019f1f-esq-alex-jones-gun.jpg&f=1
hightor
 
  3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 12:05 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
I missed the part where they said the militia should only be equipped with obsolete weapons.

I haven't seen my local militia in action lately, but I don't see why they couldn't train with surplus M-14s. Firearms can last a long time before they become obsolete.
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 12:59 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
That's a nice way to have a conversation — accuse someone of being totally ignorant. Okay.

I'm going by the language you use when talking about guns, ignorant terms and definitions for things it seems you don't know about.

Quote:
My point, Baldimo, is that you don't need modern military-styled weapons to protect yourself in the case of a home intrusion.

You keep using that term Military-styled weapons, which is an anti-gun term and continues to show you are not interested in a logical discussion about modern firearms.

Quote:
Maybe in the case of a zombie apocalypse but not to protect the cash register at the local bodega. The "militarized" guns being sold today are marketed specifically for that purpose — to pander to a certain type of customer:

Some of them are martked that way, and others are not. The AR-15 my buddy owns is nothing like the weapon I used while in the Army. You will also notice the weblink to one of your pictures is a link for military. remingtonmilitary.com... This would be a site that is for military or police use only. Prove you are in the military and you can purchase from this site. You would be surprised by the # of soldiers who actually purchase their own weapon for use while in the service. The # of special ops soldiers who use their own is even more so. As long as the weapon meets NATO standards, it can be used in the military.

Quote:
I never mentioned the AR-15.

Yet those are the guns targeted by the anti-gun crowd and gun control advocates in general. Don't be coy.

Quote:
And yes, I've fired the M-16 on semi-auto and full auto.

A full auto M-16? You sure about that? They are rare and require a license to own, I hope you weren't illegal firing a controlled weapon...

Quote:
But just having the option of high-capacity magazines on a semi-auto changes the character of the weapon, gives it more offensive capability.

Define high-capacity? I can tell you that for the M-16 and AR-15 platforms, a normal capacity magazine is 30 rounds. Once again, it is the anti-gun crowd who has changed the meaning of "high-capacity" to fit their defination to scare people. Once again if you knew about weapons, you would know this and not fall for the scary language.

Offensive capability is another dog whistle that has no meaning when talking about civilian owned weapons. More scare tactics.

Quote:
As far as hunting goes, and for the type of hunting I do, a big, slow bullet works just fine and I don't need fifty rounds ready to chamber.

I doubt you hunt. What type of rifle do you own and in what caliber? Your bullet speed story means nothing unless you talk about the type of ammo and gun you are using. What type of game are you hunting?
The AR-15 rifle uses the same exact type of ammo used in common hunting rifles. It is typically either a 5.56mm round or .223 caliber round, and some of them are chambered for both 5.56/.223.

Quote:
Every time there's a major gun incident, such as Sandy Hook, there's a predictable upswing in gun sales.

There is only an upswing in gun sales because the first thing the anti-gun crowd does when there is a shooting, is talk about how they need to ban the bad gun. The sales don't increase because of the shooting, they increase because of the banning talk. You can thank the anti-gun crowd for the increase in sales. To say the shootings themselves drive gun sales is disingenuous at best or just more out right scare tactics.

The only reason to ban these guns is because they look scary.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 01:36 pm
This won't go unnoticed
Quote:
"The ADL, which is headquartered in Manhattan, got a bomb threat this morning, very similar to the bomb threats that have come in, as you said, to 70-some odd Jewish community centers in 27 states over the past two months,"
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/anti-defamation-league-bomb-threat

Even Sheldon Adelson is likely to be a tad upset.
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 01:42 pm
Quote:
This President has accomplished more in three weeks than most president's accomplish in their full terms in office

We know that must be true because Trump spokeman Miller said it. And though right wing types have some difficulty offering up verifying evidence on this avalanche of accomplishing, we can certainly add this one...
Quote:
White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Wednesday that President Donald Trump's promised investigation into his unsubstantiated claims of massive voter fraud has consisted, so far, of naming a task force.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sean-spicer-trump-has-named-task-force-voter-fraud
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hightor
 
  3  
Wed 22 Feb, 2017 01:44 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Where do you see that they intended a certain amount of infringement?

When I mentioned the "quantity" of free speech it was to differentiate it from the "quality" of speech, i.e. electronic communication versus the US postal system — I don't think the founders were concerned about how much free speech there was or how quickly it was communicated; it's still "freedom of speech". When it comes to arms, we see qualitative limits — no machine guns, no suppressors, no bazookas etc, without special permits. The "right" has been infringed:
Quote:
We've already banned military weapons and, for the most part, America is ok with that.

Yes, I've read the majority opinions. The fact is, if the justices see that social conditions warrant it, this 5-4 decision can be reversed.
 

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