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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
snood
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:12 am
@blatham,
Yep. One might.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:15 am
@snood,
Quote:
An illustration of the depth of the sickness of MAGATS.

Pro Trump rioters defecated in the hallways and smeared feces on the walls

Presuming the account is accurate, this one stands out. Fox nor any of the other such outlets will be talking about the incident.

But that is in sharp contrast with their reporting on a claim during the Occupy Wall Street that someone took a dump on a police car which was a story covered for at least a week.

Poop on a cop car versus poop in and smeared around the Capital building.
revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:16 am
Quote:
Capitol Police Rejected Federal Help Days Ahead Of Insurrection Attack

WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/capitol-police-riot-rejected-federal-help-trump_n_5ff7db0ac5b66f3f795c73b0
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snood
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:23 am
@blatham,
One white lady on Twitter this morning, upon just having viewed videos of rioters casually leaving the Capital after trashing it, asked “why aren’t these people being arrested?” And I’m pretty sure she wasn’t kidding.

In my response to her I asked, “When you ask questions like that, are you just pretending to be that ignorant, or are you actually that ignorant?”

Didn’t get a response yet.
maporsche
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:37 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Wilso wrote:

I can’t today. I’m busy watching the final season of The United States


I heard they’re renewing the series with a new producer and director.


I truly enjoy reading your posts. Smile
hingehead
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:43 am
@snood,
I'm over it - this new series has jumped the shark.
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snood
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:45 am
@maporsche,
Thank you, sir.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:49 am
Yesterday after reading about the security situation on Wednesday, I found myself leaping into a conspiracy mode. So I am trying to hold back.

I am prefacing my comment with that sort of caveat is that I find it curious leaders in the capitol police and the way they managed the whole day. I am just wondering if some of them weren't part of or at least in connection with some proud boys or other white supremist groups and deliberately held back and perhaps helped in some ways with pre planning ahead of the event? I mean I think it should be part of the investigation to look into that possibility.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 08:55 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Yesterday after reading about the security situation on Wednesday, I found myself leaping into a conspiracy mode. So I am trying to hold back.

I am prefacing my comment with that sort of caveat is that I find it curious leaders in the capitol police and the way they managed the whole day. I am just wondering if some of them weren't part of or at least in connection with some proud boys or other white supremist groups and deliberately held back and perhaps helped in some ways with pre planning ahead of the event? I mean I think it should be part of the investigation to look into that possibility.


I've hear that it already is part of the investigation.

I am hoping there is nothing to it. The Capitol police faced a mob they never supposed they would ever face...and their leadership failed them.

Seeing those cops retreating and being pushed back is cringeworthy.

I want as many of these rioters identified as possible...and I would love to see the courts throw the book at 'em.
revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:07 am
@snood,
Perhaps she was that ignorant. It is possible a lot of white people are not really aware of just how unjust the way blacks are treated vs. the way whites are treated with the law in a lot of cases.

For example yesterday I was totally floored to learn new Senator elect Rev. Warnock was once put in handcuffs for praying. Contrast that with Wednesday white rioters calmly being escorted out of the building and it is a real eye opener.

Just like a lot of white folks were just outraged after watching a police officer calmly slowly crushing the life out George Floyd with his knee for 8 minutes and 46 seconds.
snood
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:15 am
@revelette3,
I’m sorry, but I do not accept that any reasonably intelligent American adult in 2021 just has no earthly clue that black people are treated differently than white people by American law enforcement.

I do not accept that.

If they are that ignorant, it is willfully. They don’t know because they don’t want to know.

C’mon, man.
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:22 am
From the Annals of Beasts That Slither

Quote:
Rex ChapmanHorse racing
@RexChapman
· 10h
Ted Cruz actually just had the nerve to say, “I have disagreed with the president’s language and rhetoric the last four years.”
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revelette3
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:24 am
@snood,
You saw some of those people on TV, I am not talking about the crazy looking ones, but just the ole white hick looking ones. I live in southern Kentucky and I live around these folks. You're right in that they have kept themselves willfully blind, nevertheless, it is like a learned generational environment kind of a thing. I just don't think accusations in discussions are helpful in educating someone who is expressing an honest desire to know. You could have taken that chance and expounded on it a little to get her interested in educating herself more on racial injustice in the US.
blatham
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:32 am
Quote:
Jonathan Chait
@jonathanchait
4m
The most nefariously effective attack line on Hawley would be "Hawley caused the Great Depression, google it."
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:33 am
@revelette3,
Your life experiences are very different from Snood’s.

Had you gone through such you may not be quite so eager to use measured tones when dealing with the wilfully ignorant.
snood
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:33 am
@revelette3,
It’s not my, nor any other black person’s, responsibility to educate white people who remain willfully ignorant about racial injustice.

I mean seriously, this kills me every time someone tries to float it. Like I’m supposed to explain to people why it was necessary to point out that BLACK LIVES MATTER. If they don’t know why; or if they feel like they have to scream that white lives matter too, I’m going to let them be someone else’s problem.

Why should I be concerned about what’s “helpful” to a discussion with people who cannot even acknowledge 500 years of history? They need to educate their damn selves.

Give me a break.
Rebelofnj
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:36 am
@snood,
Did you see the law enforcement response to the rioters taking over the Capitol? This is what White privilege looks like.

Quote:
Everyone — millions of people — saw this coming.

President Trump invited his followers to D.C. a month ago, promising them it’s “gonna be wild.”

They planned the riots openly on social media for weeks, bragging about how many guns they’d bring and the mayhem they’d set off.

They came by the thousands, and outside the White House, Trump rallied them to march on the Capitol on Wednesday, reassuring them that “after this, we’re going to walk down there, and I’ll be there with you.” (He wasn’t.)

“ ’Scuse me, ma’am,” the Trumpers said to me and everyone else they jostled as they rammed ahead, an army of Carhartt and camo, to storm the Capitol on their hero’s orders.

“They have the House. They have the Senate. They have the presidency,” a guy in body armor and a barn coat told the man marching with him. “This is the only thing left to do.”

Heck, you can say we’ve seen it coming for all four years that Trump’s been in office — the incitement, the rallying, the lies. Y’all know his words and actions just about lit every one of those torches of hate in Charlottesville.

And still, even though we all saw it coming, the headquarters of our government was literally invaded by loud, vaping fools in flannel, surplus-store body armor, animal pelts and face paint. Police seemed powerless to stop it.

After 21 years of covering protests in this town, I have never seen such a flaccid and disinterested preparation by law enforcement as what happened Wednesday.

Trump’s unhinged commands to the people who call themselves “Donald’s Army” led to this riot — and to the death of 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt, a California native and Air Force veteran who jumped into the Capitol through a broken window, Trump flag tied around her waist, and was fatally shot by a law enforcement officer, according to a Washington Post article citing her family and law enforcement.

Were the people in charge of stopping this blinded by the White, perhaps?

Imagine if all those people were Black. Oh, wait, we don’t need to imagine. When thousands of demonstrators, largely African Americans, came to the nation’s capital in the summer to protest the killing of unarmed Black people, D.C. looked like Kandahar under occupation.

For a few thrown water bottles, a blaze that was about the size of my high school’s homecoming bonfire, and some stores looted by folks who came in cars and appeared to have little to do with the demonstrations for racial justice, the entire city was encircled by armored Humvees, and columns of soldiers were positioned on city streets around the White House, which became a fortress wreathed in several walls all summer long.

In one span of four days, D.C. police arrested more than 400 protesters.

So what happened this time? Did someone in charge just figure, “Oh, they’re patriots. They’re harmless.”?

Or: “These are good people; give all the officers the day off.”

Or: “Hey, let’s show America what White privilege looks like.”

Because that’s how it felt.

Trump lit those torches of White supremacy in Charlottesville

This is the same police force that swarmed me and my sons when we kicked a yellow and green bouncy ball around near the Capitol Visitor Center years ago. The same police who stared at me steely eyed when they found goldfish crackers in my son’s backpack. The same officers who kicked my husband out of the building when he went into the speaker’s lobby without a tie.

“The keys are in there!” someone in the crowd yelled.

And a young man in a hoodie and ridiculous body armor jumped into an articulating jib lift — a cherry picker — parked by the inauguration construction on the west side of the Capitol, turned it on and took people with Trump flags on rides 60 feet in the sky.

I watched a man in an orange hunting hoodie simply take a barricade apart, letting more of the mob pour onto the grounds. No police around.

The rioters climbed the inaugural scaffolding and waved Confederate battle flags. They swarmed steps and terraces that have been closed to the public for years.

Right in front of the Capitol steps, the place where my kids were kicked out years ago for sledding, someone set off a flare that flew in an arc, burning bright red, toward the dome.

“The Civil War is starting tonight!” a woman with salt-and-pepper hair and a lavender parka declared, waving her mittened hands in the air, giddy.

“Oh, it already started,” her partner said.

It was pure chaos and emotion with no plan, no mission and no reason.

A man with a megaphone verified that.

“People keep asking us, ‘What’s your plan?” he said. “I don’t have a plan, but I have a reason.”

After the stun grenades went off, after the phones all buzzed with the alert that D.C.’s mayor had set a curfew, they simply walked back to their cars and hotel rooms, regaling each other with stories of their glorious day trying to take down democracy.

That’s right. While a few dozen arrests were made, most just got to go back. I was surprised the police also didn’t hand them burgers on their way home.

This is the two Americas we need to be talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/did-you-see-the-law-enforcement-response-to-the-rioters-taking-over-the-capitol-this-is-what-white-privilege-looks-like/2021/01/07/499eddf4-5099-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:38 am
Quote:
White House's Kudlow not resigning, but taking vacation this month -CNBC

These people are all behaving exactly as we should expect. Exactly.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:40 am
@blatham,
Here's another
Quote:
Mo Brooks
@RepMoBrooks
· 1h
Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick murdered in illegal assault on Capitol interior. Officer Sicknick was a hero defending America.

I hope all Americans agree that Officer Sicknick’s murderer deserves the death penalty and should be so prosecuted.

https://cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/capitol-police-officer-killed/index.html
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revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jan, 2021 09:44 am
@izzythepush,
You're correct, my life experience is very different from snood's. I live in a place where prejudice is silent and rationalized away. So that is how I deal with it. Sometimes, when it is absolutely useless, I walk away.
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