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farmerman
 
  3  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 09:49 pm
@Builder,
are you really this obtuse? or do you just conveniently dispose of short term memory.
Most states that had mail in options had specific rules as to when and how counting would begin and be added in. Since most all the states had huge mail ins (due to rules established by their legislatures most of which were GOP run), and the mail ins in states like Pa were in huge numbers , the counting could NOT begin till all the votes were in and the polls were closed (So as not to influence voting). So counting ended in a single number which made it in late in the night or up to three days later. NO real mystery.

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Anyone with more than a couple of firing synapses could tell you that creepy Joe Biden was never going to get more votes than Obama, which, by some "miracle" of math, he achieved.
Biden won by realistic pluralities in each state of the "Swing states".
In Pa it was larger than Trump won over Clinton in 2016. AND the entire voting public was about 35% higher for Pa.
The entire US voting public was about 237 000 000 regitered. The number of actual voters was still less than 65% of those registered. That data is on file in a tab of state election records all they did was use addition to find out the totals.


When these cases were all adjudicated the defense was allowed to make its case in detailed cross examination and direct testimony. ALL the charges filed by Rudy and that crazy lady (Sydney) were summarily ebunked and thats why the word "Fraud" was never used by Rudy cause he knew if he claimed fraud and his evidence and testimony was found dubious, he could be tried for perjury.
That point was not missed by several judges in sveral states. Theres gonna be a good book on this after Jan 20.
Itll be as good a read a "MONKEY GIRL" which was a book about the Dover pa Evolution v Intelligent Design case in 2005
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 09:53 pm
@Rebelofnj,
The 25th Amendment is an excellent way to remove Mr. Biden from office. But let's try impeaching him first.
Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 09:57 pm
@oralloy,
The article is not about Biden at all.

It is about discussions among current officials in the Trump Administration on whether they should invoke the 25th Amendment in light of today's events and Trump's role in the events.
farmerman
 
  3  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:07 pm
@Rebelofnj,
hes straining marvelously to remind us all that intelligent people have great senses of humor. He has to work much harder than most.
Builder
 
  -2  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:16 pm
@oralloy,
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But let's try impeaching him first.


He's not president, and won't ever be.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:23 pm
@farmerman,
I wonder if Trump has settled on where he wants his Presidential Library to be.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:31 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
The article is not about Biden at all.

Maybe not, but my post is about Mr. Biden.
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:41 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
He's not president, and won't ever be.

How do you figure?
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farmerman
 
  3  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:49 pm
@glitterbag,
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I wonder if Trump has settled on where he wants his Presidential Library to be.


When hes retired, I undertsand that he will read a book
glitterbag
 
  5  
Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:52 pm
@farmerman,
Hmmm, something other then Mein Kampf? His copy must be thread bare by now.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 12:24 am
This coup d'état attempt to keep a reality TV star in power is a brutal attack on democracy and further diminishes the reputation of the USA in the world.

Violence will never succeed in overruling the will of the people - the new presidency of Biden will overcome this tense stage.
Builder
 
  -4  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 01:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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the new presidency of Biden will overcome this tense stage


Creepy Joe was part of a trio overseeing the worst crime spree in American political history, and you'd like to see a return to that empire, Walter?

Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 01:51 am
@Builder,
I'm pro-democracy, don't support civil war anywhere.

But I'm not surprised at all that you support a civil war in the USA.


Anyway, I will never forget these pictures, nor would I have thought that such a thing was possible:
an unleashed mob storming the Capitol - incited by the incumbent US president.
Builder
 
  -2  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 02:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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I'm pro-democracy, don't support civil war anywhere.


How did you feel about Obama and Clinton's invasion of Libya (or Syria) on fabricated grounds?

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But I'm not surprised at all that you support a civil war in the USA.


My son and his wife, and my new grand-daughter reside in Alabama. What makes you think I support anything like a war in the US of A, Walter?

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Anyway, I will never forget these pictures, nor would I have thought that such a thing was possible:


It's theatre, Walter. Nothing much else. Not an insurrection. Not a rebellion. Not even one lynching to speak of. Just pure street theatre.

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an unleashed mob storming the Capitol - incited by the incumbent US president.


More George Soros funded paid hacks, doing a very sloppy job of it.
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hightor
 
  3  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 03:19 am
It’s all in the Bible. Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible. Get yourself ready.

Mass Delusion in America

What I heard from insurrectionists on their march to the Capitol

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Insurrection Day, 12:40 p.m.: A group of about 80 lumpen Trumpists were gathered outside the Commerce Department, near the White House. They organized themselves in a large circle, and stared at a boombox rigged to a megaphone. Their leader and, for some, savior—a number of them would profess to me their belief that the 45th president is an agent of God and his son, Jesus Christ—was rehearsing his pitiful list of grievances, and also fomenting a rebellion against, among others, the klatch of treacherous Republicans who had aligned themselves with the Constitution and against him.

“A year from now we’re gonna start working on Congress,” Trump said through the boombox. “We gotta get rid of the weak congresspeople, the ones that aren’t any good, the Liz Cheneys of the world. We gotta get rid of them.”

“**** Liz Cheney!” a man next to me yelled. He was bearded, and dressed in camouflage and Kevlar. His companion was dressed similarly, a Valhalla: Admit one patch sewn to his vest. Next to him was a woman wearing a full-body cat costume. “**** Liz Cheney!” she echoed. Catwoman, who would not tell me her name, carried a sign that read Take off your mask smell the bullshit. Affixed to a corner of the sign was the letter Q.

“What’s your plan?” I asked her. People in the street, dozens at first, then hundreds, were moving past us, toward Pennsylvania Avenue, and then presumably on to the Capitol. “We’re going to stop the steal,” she answered. “If Pence isn’t going to stop it, we have to.” The treasonous behavior of Liz Cheney and many of her Republican colleagues was, to them, a fixed insurrectionary fact, but Pence was still in a plastic moment. Across the day, however, I could feel the Trump cult turning against him, as it turns against most everything.

I told the woman in the cat costume that I would walk with her group. “Only if you take off your mask,” she said. The media is the only real virus, she explained, knowing that I was a part of the media. I told her I would keep my mask on. Trumpists had asked me periodically to remove it. Some were polite about it, a few others not. It seemed to me that only 5 percent or so of the thousands of people gathered for the insurrection wore masks. At one point, when I was caught in the thickest part of the crowd, near the Ellipse, a man told me, “Your glasses are fogging up.”

“Yep, masks,” I said.

“You don’t have to wear it. It’s not a mandate.”

“No, I do.”

“Why?”

“There’s a pandemic.”

“Yeah, right.”

We will find out shortly if today’s insurrection was also a super-spreader event. What I do know, after spending hours sponging up Trumpist paranoia, conspiracism, and cultishness, is that this gathering was not merely an attempted coup but also a mass-delusion event, not something that can be explained adequately through the prism of politics. Its chaos was rooted in psychological and theological phenomena, intensified by eschatological anxiety. One man I interviewed this morning, a resident of Texas who said his name was Don Johnson (I did not trust this to be his name), told me that the country was coming apart, and that this dissolution presaged the End Times. “It’s all in the Bible,” he said. “Everything is predicted. Donald Trump is in the Bible. Get yourself ready.”

The conflation of Trump and Jesus was a common theme at the rally. “Give it up if you believe in Jesus!” a man yelled near me. People cheered. “Give it up if you believe in Donald Trump!” Louder cheers.

I would not compromise on the matter of my mask, but the woman in the cat costume and her friends allowed me to come along anyway. We turned from 14th Street into the sea of people moving down Pennsylvania Avenue. It did not strike me, even then, that this mob would actually storm the Capitol. I assumed, in a non-insurrectionary failure of imagination, that they would gather on the Capitol’s sloping lawn, sing Lee Greenwood anthems, and curse Mitt Romney. There were Proud Boys—or at least Proud Boy–adjacent boys—in this group; they would not speak to me but were also not overtly hostile. (I noticed on two occasions groups of Proud Boy–looking men smoking marijuana, which, all things being equal, was a good thing.)

“Where are you all from?” I asked the woman in the cat costume. “Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, Illinois, all kinds of states,” she said. “Are those guys Proud Boys?” I asked. “They’re American boys,” she answered. “Do you believe in the ideas of QAnon, that there’s a deep state that is a cult of pedophiles?” I asked. “Wouldn’t you like to know,” she said, attitudinally. My mask continued to bother her. “It’s very rude,” she said.

The streets became more crowded the closer we got to the Capitol. I lost track of my group. I tried to interview a bunch of other Trump supporters, mostly unsuccessfully. Earlier in the day, just west of the Washington Monument, a group of insurrectionists turned on another reporter—I was not able to figure out the identity of my masked compatriot—chanting the word guillotine (“Make guillotines great again” was one rally-poster theme).

The crowd continued to grow. It was then that I sensed the mob, goaded by its master, would not be pacified. “Stop the steal!” someone near me said to his companions.

We were close to the Capitol. Large formations were now approaching the building. It stood there gleaming, not yet defiled.

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hightor
 
  3  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 03:26 am
somebody wrote:
My son and his wife, and my new grand-daughter reside in Alabama. What makes you think I support anything like a war in the US of A?

We naturally assume that this individual wouldn't want to know that his family is at the mercy of the Soros-funded global paedophile network and hopes for a successful insurrection before Biden Inc begins harvesting children. The clown doesn't even know when he's being complimented. Keep the faith, "Builder"!
Wilso
 
  3  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 04:18 am
How many times does Trump have to lose?
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 04:26 am
@hightor,
I’ve known people talk about moving to the states, normally they talk of New York or California, or some of the other more popular states. Who in their right mind would want to go to Alabama? Along with Mississippi it’s the most backward, racist part of the country. I wouldn’t even visit on business.
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snood
 
  3  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 04:43 am
MAGATS decision-making process

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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 7 Jan, 2021 04:59 am
I for one am so impressed with the integrity and honor of those Republicans who have resigned and spoken out against Trumpism over the last few weeks and days. After all, there was no way they could have known earlier that Trump might behave this way if he were to lose the election. There were no hints, no clues, nothing to suggest what has happened.

These resignations and criticisms we now hear are entirely performative, designed to protect their privileges, their incomes and future job prospects. Not a single one of them redeems their behavior over the last years. Not one.
 

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