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@Builder,

was nancy pelosi, not trump. trump encouraged the terrorists that stopped the congressional deliberations. Trump should be arrested immediately for sedition

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Kansas too...

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Builder wrote:
Reports just in that Trump has deployed the National Guard.

was nancy pelosi, not trump.

Sorry, no. Nancy Pelosi doesn't have that power.

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@Builder,

Builder wrote:

Why doesn't the MSM address the elephant in the room, that the election was fraudulent?

Biden's coup is what the protests are all about, or did you miss something in the situation, Walter?

Heh

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RACE CALLED
100% of precincts reporting

Votes
David Perdue
Republican
2,197,274
49.72 %

Jon Ossoff
Democratic
2,222,133
50.28 %

Business Insider

Ossoff and Warnock win Georgia runoffs, handing Democrats control of the US Senate
[email protected] (Grace Panetta,Sinéad Baker) 12 hrs ago
Democrats will win both runoff elections in Georgia to retake the US Senate, according to projections from Decision Desk HQ and Insider.
Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue lost their seats to the Democrats Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff.
Democrats will now control the Senate for the first time since 2015 and have unified control of government for the first time since 2011.
Ossoff and Warnock's victories are a major breakthrough for Democrats in the formerly red Georgia and give President-elect Joe Biden more power to enact his agenda.
Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.
Democrats won both runoff elections in Georgia to regain control of the US Senate, according to projections from Insider and Decision Desk HQ.

Decision Desk HQ projected at 11:13 p.m. on Tuesday that Sen. Kelly Loeffler, who was appointed to fill a vacancy in late 2019, lost to the Democrat Raphael Warnock.

And it projected at 2:14 a.m. on Wednesday that first-term Republican Sen. David Perdue was defeated by the Democrat Jon Ossoff.

Democrats will now control the US Senate for the first time since 2015. And with President-elect Joe Biden set to take office on January 20, Democrats will have unified control of government - holding the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives - for the first time since 2011.

Both Democratic candidates are also set to make history. Warnock will become Georgia's first Black senator and the first Democratic Black senator from the South. And Ossoff, 33, will be the first millennial in the US Senate and the first Jewish senator to represent Georgia.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ossoff-and-warnock-win-georgia-runoffs-handing-democrats-control-of-the-us-senate/ar-BB1csZ7b

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lost in today's chaos --

D Ossoff beats R Perdue for second Georgia senate seat...

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@oralloy,

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The range of honest behaviors is infinite. It would be futile to try to compile such a list.

Sorry, the range of honest behaviours is rather limited - it is limited:
- by the principles of honesty
- by the circumstances - ie. to honest behaviours a person would engage in, believing in a faulty election, asking for the real results; and further limited by
- the content. Ie. limited to things Trump specifically said.
Ie. It is very, very easy to articulate honest behaviours that a person would engage in, in those circumstances, and using the contents of Trumps phone call. The examples I gave were made up on the spot. There are likely a few other honest behaviours, but they will all bear similarities (because of the above).

The only reason you want to claim it is futile is you know the above, and don't want to look silly after making a claim of other honest behaviours (and now infinite honest behaviours). But the main reason you don't want to provide any examples you claimed existed, is that you know virtually all of Trumps behaviour was dishonest, and you simply don't want to articulate what honest behaviour entails...because either:
- you write dishonest behaviours attempting to hide Trumps behaviour as honest...and your examples of honest behaviour get ripped to shreds; or
- Trump looks dishonest and corrupt against actual honest behaviours

Why do you absolutely know his behaviour was dishonest? Because he engaged in so many dishonest behaviours in such a short time. None of them individually were honest. And together, they form an unarguable pattern of dishonesty.

Besides, you have the other option - explaining how Trumps behaviours showed honesty, both individually and as a whole.

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Here are a series of accounts from right wing media re today's events (courtesy of Media Matters)

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Sebastian Gorka praises “patriots” who “have taken over Capitol Hill”
01/06/21 4:25 PM EST

Sean Hannity defends mob storming the US Capitol
01/06/21 4:21 PM EST

Newsmax guest cheers on insurrectionists storming the Capitol: “I think that's absolutely correct”
01/06/21 4:20 PM EST

As rioters stormed the Capitol, a Fox News correspondent called demonstrations “peaceful”
01/06/21 4:13 PM EST

Fox News reporter: “Aside from the things that were broken getting into the Capitol in terms of doors, they say there is no vandalism”
01/06/21 4:12 PM EST

Newsmax host suggests “leftist groups” may have infiltrated violent pro-Trump rioters that stormed the Capitol
01/06/21 3:55 PM EST

Fox anchor: Breaching the Capitol building was “a huge victory” for Trump rioters
01/06/21 3:39 PM EST

Newsmax host and White House correspondent suggests anti-fascists may be responsible for Trumpist coup attempt
01/06/21 3:32 PM EST

Infowars guest host praises “patriots” who are trying to violently take over the US Capitol
01/06/21 3:19 PM EST

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Biden to nominate Merrick Garland, Obama’s Supreme Court pick, for attorney general WP

Fitting.

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Boris Johnson has just called for an end to the disgraceful scenes in Washington.

That should do the trick.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

Sorry, the range of honest behaviours is rather limited

No it isn't.

It is backwards thinking like yours that results in innocent people being wrongfully convicted.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

The democrats could eliminate the filibuster. What then?

The Democrats don't have the votes to eliminate the filibuster.

The Republicans will be unified against it, and moderate Democrats will join with Republicans to preserve the filibuster.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

Pretty sure the filibuster is dead.

Not likely. The Democrats don't have enough votes to do anything radical.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Source?

Conservatives are capable of communicating with each other outside of a2k.

There is email for example. And PMs on rival messageboards.

hightor wrote:

Here we see this poor individual cowering in his bunker, fearful that the very moderate Mr. Biden is going to turn the country into a Stalinist gulag, with only the Republican Party stacking sandbags to stem the communist tide.

Don't be dishonest. I'm hiding in a bunker because there's a deadly virus rampaging outside.

As soon as I slip in with the essential workers and snag an early vaccination, I'll be going out in public again.

hightor wrote:

Well here's a novel idea -- instead of forcing the majority party to steamroll the feared leftist agenda through with 51-50 votes (assuming Ossoff wins),

The Democrats don't have the votes to steamroll anything controversial or radical.

The Republicans will be unified against a radical agenda, and moderate Democrats will join with the Republicans to defeat it.

hightor wrote:

constructively-minded Republicans could actually work with the Democrats to craft legislation that identified particular problems and addressed them with compromise legislation that was workable and agreeable to both sides.

Not a chance. Joe Biden is illegitimate and the American people reject and oppose him.

hightor wrote:

The idea that pressing social and environmental problems should be ignored while the minority blocks legislation purely in the attempt to cause dissatisfaction and make the Biden administration look bad is a disservice to the country we live in.

Too bad. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

hightor wrote:

Might be time for a Murkowski or a Romney to run this up the flagpole.

They will be in lockstep with the far right whenever it comes time to oppose something radical or controversial from the far left.

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@oralloy,

OSSOFF WPROJECTED SENATE WINNER IN GA AS ALL PRECINCTS COUNTED. 2 FOR 2 WINS FOR THE COUNTRY, NO WINS FOR TRUMP. HE HAD ZERO COATTAILS AND SOON HE WILL HAVE NO HOME IN D.C .EITHER. A GREAT DAY FOR DEMOCRACY. AND HIS INCITEMENT OF THE D.C. URBAN TERRORISTS SHOULD ENSURE HIS CONVICTION FOR SEDITION

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Nope. gonna go the other way.

Only in your fantasies. In reality moderates oppose radical and controversial measures from the left just as much as they oppose them from the right.

The Democrats simply don't have the votes to impose any radical leftist agenda.

MontereyJack wrote:

Remember your failed predictions of twenty years of republican dominance. couldn't even get four more years.

Remember how history indicates that Mr. Biden is likely to be a weak and ineffective one-term president (like Carter) followed by a very strong Republican president (like Reagan).

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@oralloy,

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No it isn't.

Sorry, honesty is very simple, and quite straight forward.

The reason you don't want to give any other examples of honest behaviour (that relate to Trumps call) is simple - you don't want to admit to yourself he engaged in dishonest, corrupt behaviour.

Anyone who engages a situation with integrity can see this. You aren't. This is why you don't back your own words up.

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It is backwards thinking like yours that results in innocent people being wrongfully convicted.

Nope. As I said twice previously, while it is very, very obvious Trump was trying to dishonestly corrupt the election process, I very much doubt it can be proven in a court of law.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

The reason you don't want to give any other examples of honest behaviour (that relate to Trumps call) is simple - you don't want to admit to yourself he engaged in dishonest, corrupt behaviour.

The reason is because I reject the very premise of your wrong and backwards thinking.

vikorr wrote:

Anyone who engages a situation with integrity can see this. You aren't. This is why you don't back your own words up.

I always back my own words up.

My integrity is impeccable. That's why I speak out in opposition to your witch hunting.

vikorr wrote:

Nope. As I said twice previously, while it is very, very obvious Trump was trying to dishonestly corrupt the election process, I very much doubt it can be proven in a court of law.

The fact that civilized courts reject your sort of backwards thinking does not change the reality that your sort of backwards thinking has gotten a lot of innocent people wrongfully convicted.

There is a reason why thinking like yours is rejected by civilized courts. It's flat out wrong.

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@oralloy,

I think we still have time for Pence to Invoke the 25Th . OR, Trump will resign and Pence WILL NOT pardon him. That would be so interesting.

Trump, will be an applicant for that big NY mental Institution, Creedmoor P C.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

I always back my own words up.

TRue, Ive always said that;s where all your opinions come from.

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