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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 1 Jan, 2021 04:13 pm
@MontereyJack,
No. "That bigotry is wrong" is very much not nonsense.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Fri 1 Jan, 2021 06:57 pm
@oralloy,
that's not the argument. it's ;purely your own utterly tendentious attemept to spin it and deflect.
oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 02:43 am
@MontereyJack,
Wrong. "That bigotry is wrong" is exactly my argument.
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Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 02:43 am
Judge Rejects Last-Minute Claim That Pence Can Ignore States' Presidential Electors

Quote:
A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit that challenges President-elect Joe Biden's victory, as Congress moves toward finalizing the results of the 2020 election.

The January certification of states' electoral votes, overseen by the vice president, is usually considered a formality. But a lawsuit filed last week by Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, seeks to upend the process.

In some key battleground states, groups of Republicans have baselessly declared themselves to be "alternate electors," claiming to represent the true wishes of the voters. Gohmert and the other plaintiffs — including a group of self-proclaimed electors from Arizona — argue that when confronted with competing slates of electors, the Constitution gives Vice President Mike Pence the power to choose which electors to certify.

The legal challenge, which reflected the longstanding refusal of certain Republicans to acknowledge Biden's victory, was widely seen as a long shot. Now, Judge Jeremy Kernodle in Texas has ruled that the plaintiffs don't have standing to sue. He says they haven't met the requirement that they show they've been injured by the defendant and that the relief they ask for would redress that injury.

In their suit, which names the vice president as the defendant, the Republican plaintiffs argue that a 19th century law spelling out how Congress should handle the count is unconstitutional, because it directs Pence to tally the electoral votes as they've been reported by the states.

These Republicans argue that the 12th Amendment gives Pence, not the states, sole discretion to determine which among competing slates of electors may be counted.

Gohmert "alleges at most an institutional injury to the House of Representatives," the judge wrote. The other plaintiffs — the wannabe Arizona electors — "allege an injury that is not fairly traceable to" Pence.

In a court filing, Pence himself told the judge that he was the wrong person to sue. The Republicans' beef isn't with the vice president, he said, but with Congress.

"Plaintiffs object to the Senate and the House of Representatives asserting a role for themselves in determining which electoral votes may be counted — a role that these plaintiffs assert is constitutionally vested in the Vice President," Pence's attorneys wrote Thursday. "Indeed, as a matter of logic, it is those bodies against whom plaintiffs' requested relief must run."

House lawyers also asked for the suit to be dismissed, calling it a "radical departure from our constitutional procedures," and saying the proposed remedy would "authorize the Vice President to ignore the will of the Nation's voters."

Gohmert's crew pushed back Friday, criticizing the vice president for hiding behind procedural arguments, instead of dealing with the meat of the issue. Pence can conduct the Jan. 6 proceeding as he pleases, they argue, ignoring electors if he sees fit; he's not simply a "glorified envelope-opener in chief," they wrote.

Election law experts reject this position. "The Gohmert reply is breathtaking & preposterous," Ned Foley, director of the election law program at the Ohio State University, said on Twitter. "The Constitution never intended this monarchical power to disenfranchise Electoral College votes based on personal whim."

Gohmert wrote that because of "convincing evidence of voter fraud," he and 140 Republicans in the House plan to object to the counting of electors that states certified for President-elect Biden. Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., has also said he will object.

But the objections are virtually guaranteed to fail, since they require a majority in both chambers.

Every court to examine the issue has found there was no compelling evidence of fraud in the presidential election.


https://www.npr.org/2021/01/01/952728493/in-last-minute-challenge-some-republicans-argue-pence-can-ignore-states-electors
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 03:11 am
@Rebelofnj,
NPR wrote:
In some key battleground states, groups of Republicans have baselessly declared themselves to be "alternate electors," claiming to represent the true wishes of the voters.

Any alternate slate of electors from Wisconsin?

If so, the Republicans should attempt to take Wisconsin's electoral votes and give them to Mr. Trump.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 04:37 am
@Rebelofnj,
They should start a petition, to name the next foul disease after Gohmert. It could be like the quest for the grail, finding something foul enough to bear his name.

“I’m sorry but this anal pustule spread by cockroaches really is disgusting, but it’s not even approaching Gohmert levels of foulness.”
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Region Philbis
 
  6  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 04:57 am

#Meltdown45

Trump attacks No. 2 Senate Republican, turning on allies in final days

Trump has railed against Republican leadership broadly multiple times this week, but this time
is naming names. John Thune, the Senate majority whip, had been one of the top Republicans
to speak in favor of accepting the Electoral College results and President-elect Joe Biden's victory,
drawing Trump's ire...


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farmerman
 
  9  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 06:32 am
@oralloy,
Its illegal and is a treasonous action.
hightor
 
  6  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 06:54 am
As Understanding of Russian Hacking Grows, So Does Alarm

Quote:
“This is looking much, much worse than I first feared,” said Senator Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia and the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. “The size of it keeps expanding. It’s clear the United States government missed it.”

“And if FireEye had not come forward,” he added, “I’m not sure we would be fully aware of it to this day.”


Luckily the man in charge is right on it:

"The Cyber Hack is far greater in the Fake News Media than in actuality," Trump tweeted Saturday morning, adding, "everything is well under control,” and "Russia, Russia, Russia is the priority chant when anything happens because Lamestream is, for mostly financial reasons, petrified of discussing the possibility that it may be China (it may!)"

Yeah. Thanks, Trump.

oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 07:21 am
@hightor,
This hacking is a good thing. Russia is going to help the American people resist and undermine the illegitimate Biden Administration.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 07:22 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Its illegal and is a treasonous action.

No it isn't. The law says that the Republicans are free and clear to try to take Wisconsin's electoral votes for Mr. Trump.

I know progressives really hate facts and reality, but facts and reality continue to exist anyway.
Walter Hinteler
 
  6  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 07:42 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
This hacking is a good thing. Russia is going to help the American people resist and undermine the illegitimate Biden Administration.
I do think that e.g. hacking hospitals is a deadly trend while other hacking - e.g. regarding electricity - might be disturbing.

But your choices to get rid of will and vote of Americans are ... well, not funny.
izzythepush
 
  7  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 07:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oralloy would support a country that paid the Taliban a bounty to kill US troops.

He’s a traitor. He should be sent to Gitmo.
Region Philbis
 
  6  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 07:57 am
@izzythepush,

he is one sick puppy.

supporting a Russian hack is as un-American as it gets...
oralloy
 
  -4  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 08:07 am
@Region Philbis,
Nonsense. Russia is helping the American people to resist the Biden Administration. That is a good thing.
Rebelofnj
 
  5  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 08:12 am
@oralloy,
The governor of Wisconsin would have to approve on this alternate set of electors (and he hasn't). The governor and state secretary have already certified that Biden has won the state.
Quote:
State law requires presidential electors to meet at noon on "the first Monday after the 2nd Wednesday in December" to cast their votes. After the electors’ ballots are cast and certificates are signed, Evers and Secretary of State Doug LaFollette will sign off and Wisconsin’s paperwork will be forwarded to the Vice President of the United States, federal archivists in Washington, DC, and the chief judge of the Western District of Wisconsin federal court

https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-presidential-electors-cast-votes-biden

Plus, Wisconsin has faithless electors laws (deemed constitutional by the US Supreme Court last summer) that requires their electors to vote for the candidate who won the state. [specifically Wis. Stat. § 7.75(2)]
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 08:25 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
The governor of Wisconsin would have to approve on this alternate set of electors (and he hasn't).

That is incorrect. There is no such requirement.


Rebelofnj wrote:
The governor and state secretary have already certified that Biden has won the state.

True, but not particularly relevant if Congress votes to disregard the slate of electors that they have certified, and instead accept another slate of electors that they have not certified.


Wisconsin Public Radio wrote:
State law requires presidential electors to meet at noon on "the first Monday after the 2nd Wednesday in December" to cast their votes. After the electors' ballots are cast and certificates are signed, Evers and Secretary of State Doug LaFollette will sign off and Wisconsin's paperwork will be forwarded to the Vice President of the United States, federal archivists in Washington, DC, and the chief judge of the Western District of Wisconsin federal court

Much will depend on whether the Republicans had the foresight to produce a rival slate of electors for Wisconsin.

Obviously if there is no rival slate then Congress will be unable to vote to select that rival slate.


Rebelofnj wrote:
Plus, Wisconsin has faithless electors laws (deemed constitutional by the US Supreme Court last summer) that requires their electors to vote for the candidate who won the state. [specifically Wis. Stat. § 7.75(2)]

I'm unsure how that law would work out when it comes to rival slates of electors. Probably it would have to be sorted out in the courts.
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Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 08:27 am
@oralloy,
Other elected officials do not agree with your assessment, as the Trump Administration as a whole has placed sanctions against Russia, despite Trump's continued push for friendlier relations with President Putin.
https://apnews.com/article/a579c6d03c82ebb67bfd46c8c4ab4360
Walter Hinteler
 
  6  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 08:33 am
The mass shooting in Baghdad for which Donald Trump pardoned four American mercenaries was "a massacre along the lines of My Lai in Vietnam", the lead FBI investigator in the case said, pronouncing himself "disgusted with the president’s actions".
John M. Patarini wrote:
I’m so glad that I’m retired and will never again be asked to risk my life and those of my fellow investigators, only to have killers pardoned for purely political reasons.
Letters NYT
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 2 Jan, 2021 08:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Freedom of Speech gives that FBI guy the right to spout goofy nonsense of course. But in reality it is horrible the way those poor soldiers have been mistreated. Mr. Trump did a good thing by pardoning them.
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