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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
lmur
 
  4  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 03:43 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Is this for sure? Maybe he was just tucking in his shirt.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 03:47 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Rivers of tears.

Go ahead and wish him dead. It will be like old times.
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snood
 
  3  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 03:51 pm
He’s supposedly checked in at Georgetown Medical Center
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Wilso
 
  3  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 03:56 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

I can see histories headline right now:

Date Line 2219.....The Greatest Democracy in History Brought Down By One Marijuana Vote

The former United States of America was turned from the greatest free country in world to the sad state it is in today when the Despot Donald J (for Jerk) theRump was propelled into a false second term as pResident of the USA because of one (yes, just 1) vote for the legalization of marijuana in the 2020 elections.

THE SHAME OF IT ALL!!!!!!



The US is definitely entering the most dangerous and defining moments of it's history. If Joe Biden is not sworn in as the next president, that will be the end of your democracy. There'll never be another election. Most of those who support Trump are simply too ******* stupid to see how dangerous he is.
vikorr
 
  2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:09 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
The most obvious answer is that you are just another one who wants to tell people what they believe and why. That does not fly with me. I stand by what I have said.
This is a nonsensical response to the sequence of posts where we've conversed. You stand by saynthe fact the media has shown me is unfairly influencing me to believe how popular Trump is.

The above is the other side of how the media also shows how very much disliked Trump is.

You obviously don't want your "standing by what you said" to refer to the first line. So yes, it's very easy to stand by my statement that you see only what you want to see.

Certainly you've never made any admission to falling for articles that keep showing only half the information necessary to come to informed conclusions....because you want to believe what they say is the whole truth. You aren't interested in objectiveness.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:10 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EokkOyTXEAACGnp?format=jpg&name=small
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BillW
 
  2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:11 pm
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:

BillW wrote:

I can see histories headline right now:

Date Line 2219.....The Greatest Democracy in History Brought Down By One Marijuana Vote

The former United States of America was turned from the greatest free country in world to the sad state it is in today when the Despot Donald J (for Jerk) theRump was propelled into a false second term as pResident of the USA because of one (yes, just 1) vote for the legalization of marijuana in the 2020 elections.

THE SHAME OF IT ALL!!!!!!



The US is definitely entering the most dangerous and defining moments of it's history. If Joe Biden is not sworn in as the next president, that will be the end of your democracy. There'll never be another election. Most of those who support Trump are simply too ******* stupid to see how dangerous he is.

Yes, Wilson - my prayers to all misinformed Republicans who are currently following in the steps of early Nazi era German citizens. And, I am truly humbled that Mr George Harrison Devine words apply so truthfully:

Quote:
While My Guitar Gently Weeps / The Beatles

I look at you all, see the love there that's sleeping
While my guitar gently weeps
I look at the floor and I see it needs sweeping
Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know why nobody told you
How to unfold your love
I don't know how someone controlled you
They bought and sold you

I look at the world and I notice it's turning
While my guitar gently weeps
With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know how you were diverted
You were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted
No one alerted you

I look at you all, see the love there that's sleeping
While my guitar gently weeps
Look at you all
Still my guitar gently weeps

Songwriters: George Harrison
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:13 pm
@vikorr,
Quote:
This is a nonsensical response to the sequence of posts where we've conversed

It makes sense to me. All you know is the narrative and you will not convince there is no evidence or that irregularities do not point directly to fraud.
vikorr
 
  3  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:21 pm
@vikorr,
It's rather you like believing in a conspiracy where:
- all the courts are corrupt (rather than the obvious - there isn't evidence of actual fraud)...even those likely appointed under Trump
- all the counting staff (enough to make the difference) are corrupt...even though they were employed under Trump
- all the media are corrupt...even those that used to Support Trump prior to the election
- the head of electoral security employed by Trump is corrupt (for saying it was the most secure election in history)
- republicans standing up and saying it was fair and Trump lost must also be corrupt

The thing is....once again...you are showing a pattern of only seeing what you want to see

coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:28 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

It's rather you like believing in a conspiracy where:
- all the courts are corrupt (rather than the obvious - there isn't evidence of actual fraud)...even those likely appointed under Trump
- all the counting staff (enough to make the difference) are corrupt...even though they were employed under Trump
- all the media are corrupt...even those that used to Support Trump prior to the election
- the head of electoral security employed by Trump is corrupt (for saying it was the most secure election in history)
- republicans standing up and saying it was fair and Trump lost must also be corrupt

The thing is....once again...you are showing a pattern of only seeing what you want to see



You do not understand the media is lying about everything. The courts are political. Supreme Court justices are elected in many states. Yes the head of security is a Deep State suck puppy. Maybe if you lived here you would understand.
vikorr
 
  2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:32 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
All you know is the narrative and you will not convince there is no evidence or that irregularities do not point directly to fraud.
Actually the narrative is meaningless - hence why I ask for evidence. Ie. I keep asking for the full information when it keeps being missing half. And what I ask for is unarguably needed for informed decisions.

It should be obvious that I would consider fraud occured if the information needed were available. That is not someone looking to follow the narrative.

And it is self evidence that providing people with only half the necessary information (for making informed deicisions) is what leads to incorrect conclusions and conspiracy theories. This is again, unarguably correct.

In the above you have evidence that I'm not following the narrative...but you see only what you want to see. Ie. of the two of us, you are the one following the narrative (of your party), without asking for the information necessary to determining if your conclusions are accurate.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:32 pm
Quote:
Pennsylvania: Alito Moves Up Response Date on Emergency Application To 12/8

Quote:
If anything, I conjectured, perhaps it was a sign that at least some of the Justices were taking it seriously, because a quick denial would be easy. Taking it seriously doesn’t mean they would grant relief, but there may be opinions issued by various Justices, and that would require a few days.

I don’t think the “safe harbor” date would preclude the Supreme Court from acting, but it may have been something weighing on the minds of some Justices, because an “updated” entry on the Supreme Court docket just move the deadline to 9 a.m. Tuesday, December 8.

Response to application (20A98) requested by Justice Alito, due Tuesday, December 8, by 9 a.m. (docket entry updated 12/6/20)

Getting closer.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/12/pennsylvania-alito-moves-up-response-date-on-emergency-application-to-12-8/
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vikorr
 
  2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:36 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
You do not understand the media is lying about everything
I made no comment on if the media lies (etc for your other responses). My comments were on your beliefs.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:39 pm
Quote:
Everything You Need to Know About 2020 Election Fraud, but the Media Won’t Let You Ask

Go to the link to use the links posted below. It is never too late to learn.

Quote:
Means, Motives, Opportunities

Michael Pakaluk, “It’s Not Over,” The Catholic Thing

Edward Feser, “Means, Motives, and Opportunity,” Ed Feser

Gil Sanders, “Skeptical of Voter Fraud in 2020? Here’s Your Evidence,” Thomistic Thinker
Tell-Tale Statistical Anomalies

Michael Del Rosso, “Show the Graphs, Mr. President,” The Stream

Patrick Basham, “Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling,” The Spectator (US)

Vote Integrity, “Anomalies in Vote Counts and Their Effects on Election 2020”

William M. Briggs, “Stats I Helped With In Sidney Powell’s Michigan Kraken”

William M. Briggs, “Stats I Did For the Sidney Powell Suits: 150 Thousand Missing Votes”
Whistleblowers on disappearing and backdated ballots

Daniel Payne, “Whistleblowers allege ballots illegally crossed state lines, ballot backdating, digital manipulation,” Just the News

Al Perrotta, “Where Did Joe Biden Get His Five Touchdowns From?” The Stream
State Hearings

Pennsylvania

Summary: Charlie Spiering, “Highlights of Pennsylvania Republicans’ Hearing on Election Irregularities,” Breitbart

Video of hearing

Arizona

Summary

Video of hearing

Michigan

Summary of Day one: Fred Lucas, “Four Takeaways from the Michigan Senate’s Election Fraud Hearing,” The Stream

Video of hearing on December 1

Video of hearing on December 2

Georgia

Video of hearing on December 3

Jack Phillips, “State Farm Arena Footage Shows Poll Workers Staying Behind Pulling Out Suitcases with Ballots,” The Epoch Times
A Few Good Commentaries

Al Perrotta, “#ElectionSteal: Call Me a Crank Who Believes in Liberty,” The Stream

Scott McKay, “Five Quick Things: No, You are not Crazy,” The American Spectator

Kerry Wakefield, “The Big Steal,” The Spectator (Australia)

https://stream.org/everything-you-need-to-know-about-2020-election-fraud-but-the-media-wont-let-you-ask/
Brand X
 
  2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:47 pm
@coldjoint,
From where you are on this it would take light a trillion years to reach earth.
vikorr
 
  2  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:55 pm
@coldjoint,
I keep being silly enough to read or listen to articles you present as evidence, and keep finding them using 'statistics' as evidence of fraud that are either:
- normal election statistics
- expected statistics
- non referenced statistics (and in this last case, this isn't as bad as the above two)
- missing necessary information
- etc

Ie. I keep giving you and the fraud claims the benefit of the doubt, and keep coming up with disappointment (it actually is disappointing when so many people say a thing but can't provide actual evidence, rather than indicators missing the other half of the information that would make it more evidential, or 'indicators' that don't actually mean anything)
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:56 pm
Quote:
Loathsome Unethical Academics React To The Kraken

Many will have already seen my analysis of Matt Braynard’s poll asking people in several states whether they requested an absentee ballot, and whether or not they returned that ballot. Gist: maybe 150 thousand votes, plus or minus, went missing.

Quote:
I was not the first one to peer into this poll. The first was Stephen Miller, a math prof at Williams. His analysis was different than mine in small details, but his conclusion and mine were the same.

His analysis somehow found its way into the hands of his professorial colleagues. Being sober, serious people—they are academics!—you’d guess they examined Miller’s report carefully and offered collegial, behind-the-scene criticisms in their earnest and honest attempt to improve the analysis and grasp the truth.

Right?

What if I tell that instead they reacted to the news of potential cheating like teenage girls being deprived of their cellphones?

Read the rest and see who these people are. Out of touch with reality and proud of it.
https://wmbriggs.com/post/33719/
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 04:59 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

From where you are on this it would take light a trillion years to reach earth.

You have no problem with a stolen election. Figure out what that makes you. Maybe a trillion years is not far enough.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 05:02 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

I keep being silly enough to read or listen to articles you present as evidence, and keep finding them using 'statistics' as evidence of fraud that are either:
- normal election statistics
- expected statistics
- non referenced statistics (and in this last case, this isn't as bad as the above two)
- missing necessary information
- etc

Ie. I keep giving you and the fraud claims the benefit of the doubt, and keep coming up with disappointment (it actually is disappointing when so many people say a thing but can't provide actual evidence, rather than indicators missing the other half of the information that would make it more evidential, or 'indicators' that don't actually mean anything)

All the evidence is admissible in court. So it is evidence, no matter what you say it is. I'm done. I see no point in continuing this conversation.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 6 Dec, 2020 05:11 pm


Quote:
Features Australia
The big steal
Donald Trump probably did win in a landslide



One more thing Vikkor. Do you find this guy credible?





Quote:
Consider this election night scenario: America and the world sit down and tune in to the vote count for the US presidency. Early tallies appear. Those who believed the media’s polls and expected a Biden blue wave are quickly aghast; it’s not happening. More like a red wave. Florida falls early, emphatically, a big piece off the chessboard. The red tallies creep westward across the map, and the battleground states are either tight, or favoring Trump. Trump is around 700,000 votes ahead in Pennsylvania, and well ahead in Michigan. Panic sets in; time for Plan B.

The word goes out to a few critical polling centres reliably run by Democrat city machines. In key states voting stops, inexplicably, for a few hours. Republican poll-watchers are ejected from polling centres; at one in Georgia everyone’s told voting has closed and they all leave – except for Democrats, who secretly keep working. Trucks are loaded, switches flicked and extraordinary, big vote changes occur suddenly across the battleground states. By morning Biden’s vote is rising throughout the mid-west, beating Trump in some states and closing fast in others. By Saturday the media has crowned Basement Joe the president-elect. Trump is yelling the election was stolen from him. Where’s your evidence, says the media, just concede and get off the stage.

The fog of war is still enveloping much of what happened that night but plenty of witness evidence is now available, in the hundreds of affidavits from poll-workers, scrutineers and others that an incurious mainstream media is ignoring. Take the case of the Michigan lawsuit from the non-profit, apolitical legal rights body, the Great Lakes Justice Center. Long-term election worker Jesse Jacob laid the first complaint, with other affidavits including one from former Michigan assistant attorney general Zach Larsen. They tell a now-familiar tale of poll watchers being prevented from scrutineering, of being kept six feet back from the votes ‘due to the virus’, of their complaints being ignored and poll-watchers tossed out if they complained, of ballots being pre-dated to fit the 3 November deadline, of illegitimate ballots being counted, of staff adding names and birthdays to ballots, and coaching voters to choose Biden, of ballots arriving loose in open bins, not in the sealed ballot boxes, and with no chain of custody, of voters double voting, of routine failure to check IDs. It’s a veritable cascade of voter fraud, practically a manual on the art of it.

Then came the late night activity in Detroit, Michigan. To quote: At approximately 4:00 a.m. on November 4, 2020, tens of thousands of ballots were suddenly brought into the counting room through the back door (Ex. C, Affidavit of Andrew Sitto). These new ballots were brought to the TCF Center by vehicles with out-of-state license plates (Ex. C). It was observed that all of these new ballots were cast for Joe Biden (Ex. C). And: At approximately 9:00 p.m. on November 4, 2020, numerous boxes of ballots were brought to TCF Center (Ex. D)…the Wayne County Clerk’s office instructed the ballot counters to use the date of birth of January 1, 1900 on all of these newly appearing ballots. None of the names of these new ballots corresponded with any registered voter...

There are many hundreds of similar affidavits, even some from appalled Democrats. Rudy Giuliani says he has the best part of 1,000 witnesses lined up.

Every election has some chicanery, but the media bleat that ‘there is no widespread national election fraud’ is a red herring; what matters is targeted fraud that changes critical outcomes. Like back-of-the-truck votes delivered in the wee small hours. Like one pollster’s claim that Biden underperformed Clinton everywhere except in Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philly. Banana republic stuff.

If buckets of Biden votes were created overnight, you’d expect to see anomalies. Turnout of registered voters in, say, Wisconsin, exceeded 90 per cent, implausible in a country where turnouts historically range from 50-70 per cent. In nearby Ohio it was a normal 51 per cent. Even in Australia with compulsory voting the 2019 federal turnout was only 92 per cent.

More interesting are the geeks’ discoveries about impossible data changes in vote counts; Michigan poll officials ‘fessed up to one ‘glitch’ that switched 6,000 Trump votes over to Biden; there is every sign that this was not a one-off event, with the internet alive with reports of split-second vote ‘glitches’ that coincidentally all moved thousands of Trump votes Biden’s way. The spotlight is falling on widely used and highly criticised Dominion voting machines, linked financially to Democrats; Trump legal pit bull Sidney Powell says this software was first invented to change votes in Venezuela elections. Switching votes is a feature, not a bug. These machines are used in some 30 states, and had a reported software update the night before the election. The data trail looks distinctly unnatural and anomalous and Powell has warned she will soon deliver lawsuits on the statistical impossibilities of these vote counts.

So are we to believe that a wave of lawbreaking broke out around 3 November? Google Trends did show an October spike in searches for election fraud penalties, but here’s another explanation. Mainstream media ‘news’ has propagandised over four years that Trump is literally a nazi, a dictatorial Godzilla smashing up the US. If you have a chance to stop Hitler from destroying your country, does it not behove you to take it? These law-breakers see themselves as the good guys. That’s why Biden-declared postal union workers left military ballots in ditches, ‘lost’ ballots in GOP counties and were lax about securing the unprecedented millions of mail-in ballots, sprayed carelessly and deliberately across many key states to create exactly this opportunity. Democrat loyallists everywhere felt they had to do everything in their power to kill the Trump vote.

Yet the right’s vote held strong, with Trump adding at least 12 million and maybe more (legal) votes to his 2016 tally. The GOP won up to a dozen extra seats in the House, performed well in state legislatures and if two Georgia senators are returned the GOP will again control the Senate. Is it likely that voters across the country decided to vote strongly Republican in every other race than the presidency? I suspect Trump did get a landslide re-election vote, which the Democrats parried with every weapon in their armoury, from grassroots lawlessness, newly lax mail-in ballot laws, virus-designed poll centre obstruction, and yes, possibly computer-manipulated data fraud. Whether their late night panic will be undone with close scrutiny is yet to emerge.

In 2014 the magazine Vox reported that 68 per cent of Americans believed elections were rigged; a Democrat called Ron Klain, who is now Joe Biden’s chief of staff, tweeted at the time: ‘That’s because they are.’ Well, he’d know.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/11/the-big-steal/
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