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hightor
 
  3  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 10:03 am
@giujohn,
Here's an example of how propagandists grab at a fact and then try to make it imply something else:
Quote:

"Just two years after Pulitzer took it over, the World became the highest circulation newspaper in New York, aided in part by its strong ties to the Democratic Party.

Using this fact to indict the press of today is about as ignorant as Gov. Paul LePage's remark a few weeks ago:
Quote:
“John Lewis ought to look at history. It was Abraham Lincoln that freed the slaves.(...) a simple thank you would suffice.”

Neither the Republican Party of 1860 nor the Democratic Party of 1896 bear much relationship to the institutions of today.
camlok
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 10:18 am
@hightor,
Using this fact to indict the press of today is about as ignorant as Gov. Paul LePage's remark a few weeks ago:
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Does Gov. Paul LePage say anything that isn't ignorant?
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layman
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 10:34 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Sadiq Khan said...we shouldn’t be rolling out the red carpet.”


Sadiq Khan, eh?

Who's that? Is he from Liverpool?
Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 10:41 am
@giujohn,
Quote:
I don't know who came up with this cutesy euphemism fake news...

It might come from "FAUX News", a term used for decades to mock FOX News.
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 10:50 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Like the pictures of the Presidential couples getting on Air Force One...

You missed the mark on this one (why am I not surprised) — the picture is the latest in a bunch of photos where Trump is seen to act dismissively toward his wife. That's the context. I don't doubt that you're unaware of those pictures and the conversation around them but "Fake News for fake minds" is a pretty juvenile comment. The pictures are real and people can make of them what they want. And once again, McGentrix falls short.


Yeah, I have no doubt that you believe that. Like how cam believes 9/11 is a conspiracy. It's a picture. That's all it is, yet when you hold it next to a picture of Obama where Michelle is in front then you make it appear as though Trump is somehow a sexist bastard that "act(s) dismissively toward his wife."

That you believe this propaganda says a lot about your inability to see the forest for the trees. Anyone can take a couple pictures and set any kind of scene they wish. As I said, fake news for fake minds. You know, like yours apparently.
camlok
 
  -1  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:10 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix: Like how cam believes 9/11 is a conspiracy.
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Reichstag Ruins Demolished 1954

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg8xpsrUpPY

https://able2know.org/topic/317633-15#post-6368636
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layman
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:17 am
The New York Times just ran a story with the headline, “Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence.”

That's the headline, OK. Elsewhere the media is labeling all this a "scandal," and breathlessly claiming that it is as alarming as the 9/11 attacks and the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Quote:
A US political commentator has labelled Russia’s influence on the 2016 presidential elections as “the worst political scandal in American history." He also declared America “was hanging by a thread”..."The crime is treason."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-vladimir-putin-worst-political-scandal-us-president-history-bill-maher-a7588661.html

Pearl Harbor moment. Treason. Worst scandal in history. America on the verge of collapse.

Heh, those are the hysterical and disingenuous insinuations.

But what are the FACTS?

As always the headlines make an attempt to mischaracterize the facts, which are buried deep in the story. But, if you look, the NYT itself has to admit that:

Quote:
The sources for the story, asked about outright collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, said they had found “no evidence of such cooperation.”

It is not unusual for American businessmen to come in contact with foreign intelligence officials, sometimes unwittingly, in countries like Russia and Ukraine.

“It is unclear whether the conversations had anything to do with Mr. Trump himself.”


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/02/is-the-trump-russia-scandal-watergate-2-0

If you listen to the left, Trump is a corrupt russian stooge, prepared to give the entire country to Russia. This is the "yellow journalism" that John mentioned.

Heh. Trying to create "scandals" is like the boy crying wolf. If a real one comes along, no one will listen.

Keep on truckin, cheese-eaters. You lose more credibility virtually every time you open your sorry yaps.
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layman
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:29 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Yeah, I have no doubt that you believe that. Like how cam believes 9/11 is a conspiracy...That you believe this propaganda says a lot about your inability to see the forest for the trees.


Exactly, Gent.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:34 am
@McGentrix,
I'm pretty sure many of us saw what hightor saw in those pictures. It proves once again that Trump has no respect for women.
layman
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:39 am
I don't get it. What's the big deal?

Trump has copped his self a few feels in his day, so what?

Who aint, I ask ya?
camlok
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:44 am
@layman,
It is sexual assault. That would be a crime in every jurisdiction in most every country in the world. How does this escape you?
layman
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:47 am
@camlok,
It aint no crime if nobody reports it, eh?

They like it.
camlok
 
  1  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:53 am
@layman,
Yes, it's still a crime. If a policeman saw it happen, there would be an arrest. That women are still too afraid to report these crimes is no different than Black people being too afraid to report crimes.

Trump: "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
hightor
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:54 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
That's all it is, yet when you hold it next to a picture of Obama where Michelle is in front then you make it appear as though Trump is somehow a sexist bastard that "act(s) dismissively toward his wife."

As I said, there is a context to these pictures. I don't know the Trumps and I haven't claimed that he's a sexist pig. Where did I say that? All I'm doing is pointing out that there is a conversation going on about his behavior, which some characterize as misogyny, and that's why some people are reading more into the picture than would be evident to you. Here, I'll help you out:
the gentlemanly thing to do?
There were a number of people who thought they might attach some significance to his behavior here. Some people see patterns and come up with conclusions. I can't help that. I'm not criticizing Trump; I'm filling in the picture so that you will understand why some people react to it the way they do.
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:55 am
I was really pissed off, I tellya!

Me and a homey went to Walmart earlier today. That mofo dissed me BIGTIME!

When we got there, the went through the door first. He didn't insist that I go first.

The GALL of it all, I tellya! If we hadn't have been pals for years, I mighta busted a cap in his sorry ass for that.

No respect for me at all.
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layman
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 11:57 am
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

Yes, it's still a crime. If a policeman saw it happen, there would be an arrest.


Wrong. It aint illegal to touch somebody. At a minimum, is has to be "unwelcome," and "offensive."

It aint unwelcome, can't ya see? Goes without no sayin that there aint nuthin "offensive" about it, neither.
saab
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 12:00 pm
‘Last Night in Sweden’? Trump’s Remark Baffles a Nation
This was one thing, which happened :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5DpjMJW8AAOxL8.jpg
http://thumbs.picclick.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/z/~cYAAOSw4A5YoQvP/$/2017-anti-DONALD-TRUMP-IKEA-CABINET-_1.jpg
NSFW (view)
layman
 
  0  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 12:31 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


Some people see patterns and come up with conclusions. I can't help that. I'm not criticizing Trump; I'm filling in the picture so that you will understand why some people react to it the way they do.


Well, OK, then. That's more better.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 20 Feb, 2017 12:41 pm
For people who still question Trump's misogyny.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/amp/?client=safari
 

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