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hightor
 
  2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 02:15 pm
@coldjoint,
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If lock downs did not stop Covid the first time why would they work now.

Were lockdowns universal and enforced they would work. They worked in China. They were only partially successful in the USA (there was a decline in April and May following the first restrictions) because the economic cost of a real lockdown was more than our political economy could bear. That's why the only officials I've heard ordering anything like a lockdown are in those places where the shortage of hospital beds is acute. But even in California restaurants are outdoor only, retail can be indoor up to 25% capacity, shopping centers can be indoor up to 25% capacity, places of worship are outdoor only — not the same as a total lockdown.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 02:34 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
If lock downs did not stop Covid the first time why would they work now.

Were lockdowns universal and enforced they would work. They worked in China. They were only partially successful in the USA (there was a decline in April and May following the first restrictions) because the economic cost of a real lockdown was more than our political economy could bear. That's why the only officials I've heard ordering anything like a lockdown are in those places where the shortage of hospital beds is acute. But even in California restaurants are outdoor only, retail can be indoor up to 25% capacity, shopping centers can be indoor up to 25% capacity, places of worship are outdoor only — not the same as a total lockdown.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/12/03/us/europe-covid-deaths-promo-1607006064519/europe-covid-deaths-promo-1607006064519-threeByTwoMediumAt2X-v4.png?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale&width=1100

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Were lockdowns universal and enforced they would work.

No they would not and you have 0 proof that they would. You have speculation and opinions from experts that have been wrong so many times I lost count.

Covid kills .03% of people that get it . It is not a life threatening disease. Period.

If you like graphs like that look at the ones with the ridiculous Biden vote spikes in the swing states.
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 02:40 pm
@coldjoint,
That graph is from Europe...my apologies.

Quote:
No they would not and you have 0 proof that they would.

It's simple — if no one is contacting people with the disease, no one will get the disease. I don't need to prove that. How would the disease spread if sick people don't infect healthy people?

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Covid kills .03% of people that get it . It is not a life threatening disease.

You keep saying this — while hospitals fill up, health care workers are sick and burned out, and thousands of patients die every day.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 02:50 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

That graph is from Europe...my apologies.

Quote:
No they would not and you have 0 proof that they would.

It's simple — if no one is contacting people with the disease, no one will get the disease. I don't need to prove that. How would the disease spread if sick people don't infect healthy people?

Quote:
Covid kills .03% of people that get it . It is not a life threatening disease.

You keep saying this — while hospitals fill up, health care workers are sick and burned out, and thousands of patients die every day.

Name one hospital that is full. Their names are never mentioned on the news.
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, and thousands of patients die every day.

Comorbidity and inflated numbers. People in their 70's catch the flu and die. Covid does the same thing, but the flu was never listed as cause of every death.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:20 pm
Quote:
Nevada GOP
@NVGOP
·
Dec 3, 2020
Update:
We have submitted the following evidence to the court:
-Almost 8k ballots cast by voters with addresses that are physically non-existent
-Appx 15k voters registered to vacant or commercial properties that cast ballots
Nevada GOP
@NVGOP
-2,468 votes by voters that legally changed their address to another state or country
-Appx 42k voters who voted twice in NV
-Appx 1,500 voters listed as deceased by the SSA
-Almost 20k NV voters with a non NV mailing address
-Appx 6k USPS flags on vacant addresses
5:10 PM · Dec 3, 2020

A court needs to give these allegations credence and allow them to be proven. Stats are science. Where is the party of science? Fighting to keep this evidence from ever seeing a courtroom. Keeping in mind Democrats have nothing to hide.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/460227-nevada-gop-says-there-exists-extensive-evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-nevada/
snood
 
  2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:35 pm
They believe that the election was rigged - and are unable to produce any evidence of it that any court will accept.

They don’t believe the Covid pandemic is a crisis that has killed over a quarter million Americans, with death totals and scientific evidence piled up for all to see.

What they think and say shouldn’t be afforded any respect at all.

They are lost.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:41 pm
Quote:
Report: 40 States Will File Antitrust Lawsuit Against Facebook

Good news. About time those fascist globalist bastards get broke up.
Quote:
A recent report from CNBC states that sources believe that a lawsuit could be filed against social media giant Facebook as early as next week. A group of 40 states led by New York have been investigating Facebook for possible antitrust violations and plans to file a lawsuit against the company, according to four sources.

The lawsuit would be the second major case taken against a major tech firm this year following the Justice Department’s lawsuit against Google in October. Over 40 states reportedly plan to sign on to the Facebook lawsuit one source said, but would not provide the list of states.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/12/03/report-40-states-will-file-antitrust-lawsuit-against-facebook/
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vikorr
 
  1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:43 pm
@coldjoint,
In all of these 'stats' you keep putting up:
1. the majority are irregularities (which is different to evidence of fraud. It can be a indicator of fraud...or another issue like a computer programing error)
2. for those irregularities:
- the computer ones where they could only get the figures from an audit, they don't produce the audit search, nor link back to official data. Anyone trying to show fraud should know objective, intelligent who have no vested interest will want this (particularly from a person who has cried wolf so, so many times, or from a person with a vested interest)
- they usually don't post the percentage of votes for either candidate (which means it is still only an irregularity, rather than evidence of fraud, because for all we know, the votes are equal, and no one gains by looking further into it, and if equal, there is no fraud)
- and if they know the number of irregular votes like in your above example, then they know the number of votes for each candidate - so it is highly suspicious that they don't quote these numbers
- if they are showing computer irrgularities , you can't just selectively take 4 of the top 10 as a Republican that support your argument and say 'see'...objective observers need to see the other top 10 for objective comparison

I've seen some posts from you that are interesting. But the large majority are plain problematic, where people claiming issues, aren't providing the information needed to identify an actual alleged fraud issue.

I'm not surprised the courts keep throwing them out.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:43 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:



They don’t believe the Covid pandemic is a crisis that has killed over a quarter million Americans, with death totals and scientific evidence piled up for all to see.

What they think and say shouldn’t be afforded any respect at all.

They are lost.

Quote:
They believe that the election was rigged - and are unable to produce any evidence of it that any court will accept.

How about that video? Those are used as evidence. The stats are evidence too. It will get to the highest court and you will lose. Get ready for it is going to happen.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:46 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

In all of these 'stats' you keep putting up:
1. the majority are irregularities (which is different to evidence of fraud. It can be a indicator of fraud...or another issue like a computer programing error)
2. for those irregularities:
- the computer ones where they could only get the figures from an audit, they don't produce the audit search, nor link back to official data. Anyone trying to show fraud should know intelligent people will want this (particularly from a person who has cried wolf so, so many times)
- they usually don't post the percentage of votes for either candidate (which means it is still only an irregularity, rather than evidence of fraud, because for all we know, the votes are equal, and no one gains by looking further into it, and if equal, there is no fraud)
- and if they know the number of irregular votes like in your above example, then they know the number of votes for each candidate - so it is highly suspicious that they don't quote these numbers



I disagree, the data analyses is rock solid evidence. That is why none of it is on major media, except some on Fox. Did you see the video? That amount of those ballots alone will give the election in GA to Trump.
snood
 
  2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:47 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

snood wrote:



They don’t believe the Covid pandemic is a crisis that has killed over a quarter million Americans, with death totals and scientific evidence piled up for all to see.

What they think and say shouldn’t be afforded any respect at all.

They are lost.

Quote:
They believe that the election was rigged - and are unable to produce any evidence of it that any court will accept.


How about that video? Those are used as evidence. The stats are evidence too. It will get to the highest court and you will lose. Get ready for it is going to happen.


You get ready for the Supreme Court to announce that they won’t even hear the case. That’s what’s going to happen.
vikorr
 
  2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:50 pm
@coldjoint,
We'll have to agree to disagree.

I don't think you understand what evidence is needed to show fraud. You keep posting irregularities, absolutely.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 03:56 pm
@snood,
Quote:
You get ready for the Supreme Court to announce that they won’t even hear the case. That’s what’s going to happen.

Then the state legislatures will send their electors for Trump. He has backed them into a corner.

So you do not consider that video as proof of fraud? And why?

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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 04:03 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I don't think you understand what evidence is needed to show fraud. You keep posting irregularities, absolutely.

Benford's law is used to prove fraud. It shows fraud, big time, in this election.
snood
 
  3  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 04:10 pm
I keep seeing people saying mask mandates and federally run pandemic mitigation won’t work, and that there are no examples of those things working.

What about New Zealand?

The NZ government paid people to stay home; taxpayers footed the bill for managed isolation facilities, and they are at Zero Covid cases. Their economy is fast recovering. Life is now almost normal with level 1, minimal precautions. They are awaiting the vaccine. The US government had the resources to do this, and didn’t. They still can do it, and the only reason they won’t is because of resistance from ratfuck republicans,

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025203

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(20)30237-1/fulltext

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-did-new-zealand-control-covid19


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vikorr
 
  1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 04:26 pm
@coldjoint,
So:
- no revealing of whether the irregular votes were evenly split - you just presume that all irregularities went to Biden? The non-disclosure of this information is highly suspect.
- no linkage to the official data for the claims...even when the people auditing this information should be highly motivated to provide these links

This is the whole problem with the fraud conspiracy - the lack of transparency in their claims.

If they provided the above - their credibility would go way up. There would still be a little more needed to show fraud, but the credibility of the claims would be much higher. Unless they are really dumb, they have to know this....so why haven't they done it?

To me it speaks of the opposite of your claim of fraud by the Democrats - orchestrated attempts by the Republicans to undermine democracy through misdirection and propoganda (and no, I'm still not clear what the difference between them is)
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 04:29 pm
Well golly goodness! Who'd have guessed such a thing?!

Giuliani's star witness the other day (Mellissa Carone - the blonde who appeared drunk) has just recently finished a one year period of probation for...
Quote:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump's newest star witness to 'voter fraud' who claimed she saw Dominion systems being rigged was on probation for COMPUTER CRIME after plea deal to drop 'obscenity' charge
Mellissa Carone, 33, was on probation for a year for committing a computer crime, DailyMail.com can reveal
The mother-of-two had struck a plea deal with Wayne County prosecutors, who in turn dropped a first degree obscenity charge against her
HERE

This appears to be her
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 04:34 pm
@vikorr,
Quote:
- no revealing of whether the irregular votes

First, there are no irregular votes, They are legal or illegal.
Quote:
- no linkage to the official data for the claims..

I have linked to it myself. People explaining the data and what is says right in front of you.
Quote:
To me it speaks of the opposite of your claim - orchestrated attempts to undermine democracy through misdirection and propoganda.

To me that speaks narrative. The narrative is a lie. A powerful projection from Down Under.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 04:36 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Well golly goodness! Who'd have guessed such a thing?!

Giuliani's star witness the other day (Mellissa Carone - the blonde who appeared drunk) has just recently finished a one year period of probation for...
Quote:
EXCLUSIVE: Trump's newest star witness to 'voter fraud' who claimed she saw Dominion systems being rigged was on probation for COMPUTER CRIME after plea deal to drop 'obscenity' charge
Mellissa Carone, 33, was on probation for a year for committing a computer crime, DailyMail.com can reveal
The mother-of-two had struck a plea deal with Wayne County prosecutors, who in turn dropped a first degree obscenity charge against her
HERE

This appears to be her

Her personal life has nothing to do with what she saw. Desperate?
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Brand X
 
  1  
Fri 4 Dec, 2020 04:37 pm
@coldjoint,
You're still looking for the flat earth.
 

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