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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:04 am
Following the GSA announcement...

Trump claimed shortly afterward via Twitter that he had recommended that the official send the letter but insisted that his patently undemocratic attempt to steal the election from Biden through the courts “STRONGLY continues.”

Trump's language tick of using and mis-using "strongly" so often is really interesting. As we've all seen, Trump, like any bully, dictator or authoritarian is constantly striving to forward a presentation of self as large, powerful, threatening, unstoppable, etc. Of course, he speaks this way but when he writes it out in tweets, the devices become more evident, particularly in his use of upper case and exclamation marks (often multiple) which are equivalent to shouting.

But his use of "strongly", though it carries the same tones, is a bit different. What Trump cannot do (without some writer's help) is lay out a coherent argument or treatise. His brain doesn't work that way. We have never heard nor ever will hear Trump respond to a question with something like, "I have to challenge your use of the tu quoque logical fallacy here". Bluster, lies, threats account for almost everything he says or writes. So all that's left for him in writing or speaking are adjectives and adverbs that he hopes will serve to communicate that even his sentences are bristling with weapons.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:10 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:


Following the GSA announcement...

Trump claimed shortly afterward via Twitter that he had recommended that the official send the letter but insisted that his patently undemocratic attempt to steal the election from Biden through the courts “STRONGLY continues.”

Trump's language tick of using and mis-using "strongly" so often is really interesting. As we've all seen, Trump, like any bully, dictator or authoritarian is constantly striving to forward a presentation of self as large, powerful, threatening, unstoppable, etc. Of course, he speaks this way but when he writes it out in tweets, the devices become more evident, particularly in his use of upper case and exclamation marks (often multiple) which are equivalent to shouting.

But his use of "strongly", though it carries the same tones, is a bit different. What Trump cannot do (without some writer's help) is lay out a coherent argument or treatise. His brain doesn't work that way. We have never heard nor ever will hear Trump respond to a question with something like, "I have to challenge your use of the tu quoque logical fallacy here". Bluster, lies, threats account for almost everything he says or writes. So all that's left for him in writing or speaking are adjectives and adverbs that he hopes will serve to communicate that even his sentences are bristling with weapons.



Interesting use of words here, Bernie.

I usually shorten those thoughts to, "Trump is a ******* moron."

I will acknowledge that your way of stating the thought is much prettier.
Rebelofnj
 
  4  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:12 am
There seems to be a growing idea among Trump supporters to boycott the Georgia runoff elections, which would be terrible for the GOP as they need to win those Senate seats and cannot lose any significant support.

Pro-Trump Attorney Urges Republicans Not to Vote in Georgia Runoff
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/georgia-election-loeffler-perdue/2020/11/23/id/998342/

Trump Supporters in Georgia Threaten to Destroy GOP, Boycott Runoff Elections
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245

Roger Stone-Tied Group Threatens GOP: If Trump Goes Down, So Does Your Senate Majority
https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-tied-group-threatens-gop-if-trump-goes-down-so-does-your-senate-majority

On Parler, a pro-Trump call for Georgia runoff boycott threatens Mitch McConnell's plan to restrain Biden
https://www.newsweek.com/parler-pro-trump-call-georgia-runoff-boycott-threatens-mitch-mcconnells-plan-restrain-biden-1549282
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:16 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
Actually, Trump was booed during his 2018 State of Union, so Biden would not be the first president to be booed.

Note my term loudly booed. I'm hoping for the sort of disruption that will totally drown him out and ruin his speech.

Maybe they can sound off some air horns too.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:32 am
@Frank Apisa,
He is a most disagreeable creature, for sure.
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revelette3
 
  3  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:43 am
@Rebelofnj,
I read about it, I wonder if it will gain support and actually have an affect?
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snood
 
  4  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:45 am
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

There seems to be a growing idea among Trump supporters to boycott the Georgia runoff elections, which would be terrible for the GOP as they need to win those Senate seats and cannot lose any significant support.



Now Reb, let’s don’t be too hasty. All those fine republicans know their own minds better than we do. They certainly have the perfect right to boycott any election they want to. We can’t stand in judgement - rather, we should all give them our blessings if they decide to sit out the Georgia runoffs.
😁
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blatham
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:55 am
Laura Ingraham decides to not go down with the ship
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hightor
 
  5  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 08:56 am
Should Trump Be Prosecuted?

Being president should mean you are more accountable, not less, to the rule of law.

Quote:
When the Biden administration takes office in 2021, it will face a unique, fraught decision: Should Donald Trump be criminally investigated and prosecuted?

Any renewed investigative activity or a criminal prosecution would further divide the country and stoke claims that the Justice Department was merely exacting revenge. An investigation and trial would be a spectacle that would surely consume the administration’s energy.

But as painful and hard as it may be for the country, I believe the next attorney general should investigate Mr. Trump and, if warranted, prosecute him for potential federal crimes.

I do not come to this position lightly. Indeed, we have witnessed two U.S. presidential elections in which large crowds have found it acceptable to chant with fervent zeal that the nominee of the opposing party should be jailed. We do not want to turn into an autocratic state, where law enforcement authorities are political weapons of the reigning party.

But that is not sufficient reason to let Mr. Trump off the hook.

Mr. Trump’s criminal exposure is clear. I was a senior member of the investigation led by the former special counsel Robert Mueller to determine whether Russia attempted to subvert our fundamental democratic source of political legitimacy: our electoral system. Among other things, he was tasked with determining whether Mr. Trump interfered with our fact-finding into this issue.

We amassed ample evidence to support a charge that Mr. Trump obstructed justice. That view is widely shared. Shortly after our report was issued, hundreds of former prosecutors concluded that the evidence supported such a charge.

What precedent is set if obstructing such an investigation is allowed to go unpunished and undeterred? It is hard enough for the executive branch to investigate a sitting president, who has the power to fire a special counsel (if needed, through the attorney general) and to thwart cooperation with an investigation by use of the clemency power. We saw Mr. Trump use his clemency power to do just that with, for example, his ally Roger Stone. He commuted Mr. Stone’s sentence, who was duly convicted by a jury but never spent a day in jail for crimes that a federal judge found were committed for the president. The same judge found that Paul Manafort, a former Trump campaign chairman, lied to us repeatedly, breaching his cooperation agreement. He, too, was surely holding out hope for a dangled pardon.

Mr. Trump can’t point to what the special counsel investigation did not find (e.g., “collusion”) when he obstructed that very investigation. The evidence against Mr. Trump includes the testimony of Don McGahn, Mr. Trump’s former White House counsel, who detailed how the president ordered the firing of the special counsel and how when that effort was reported in the press, Mr. Trump beseeched Mr. McGahn to deny publicly the truth and, for safe measure, memorialize that falsity in a written memorandum.

The evidence includes Mr. Trump’s efforts to influence the outcome of a deliberating jury in the Manafort trial and his holding out the hope for a pardon to thwart witnesses from cooperating with our investigation. Can anyone even fathom a legitimate reason to dangle a pardon?

His potential criminal liability goes further, to actions before taking office. The Manhattan district attorney is by all appearances conducting a classic white-collar investigation into tax and bank fraud, and the New York attorney general is engaged in a civil investigation into similar allegations, which could quickly turn into a criminal inquiry.

These state matters may well reveal evidence warranting additional federal charges. Such potential financial crimes were not explored by the special counsel investigation and could reveal criminal evidence. Any evidence that was not produced to Congress in its inquiries, like internal State Department and White House communications, is another potential trove to which the new administration should have access.

The matters already set out by the special counsel and under investigation are not trivial; they should not raise concerns that Mr. Trump is being singled out for something that would not be investigated or prosecuted if committed by anyone else.

Because some of the activities in question predated his presidency, it would be untenable to permit Mr. Trump’s winning a federal election to immunize him from consequences for earlier crimes. We would not countenance that result if a former president was found to have committed a serious violent crime.

Sweeping under the rug Mr. Trump’s federal obstruction would be worse still. The precedent set for not deterring a president’s obstruction of a special counsel investigation would be too costly: It would make any future special counsel investigation toothless and set the presidency de facto above the law. For those who point to the pardon of Richard Nixon by Gerald Ford as precedent for simply looking forward, that is not analogous: Mr. Nixon paid a very heavy price by resigning from the presidency in disgrace for his conduct.

Mr. Trump may very well choose to pardon not just his family and friends before leaving office but also himself in order to avoid federal criminal liability. This historic turn of events would have no effect on his potential criminal exposure at the state level. If Mr. Trump bestows such pardons, states like New York should take up the mantle to see that the rule of law is upheld. And pardons would not preclude the new attorney general challenging a self-pardon or the state calling the pardoned friends and family before the grand jury to advance its investigation of Mr. Trump after he leaves office (where, if they lied, they would still risk charges of perjury and obstruction).

In short, being president should mean you are more accountable, not less, to the rule of law.

nyt/weissmann
blatham
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 09:06 am
This is unpossible!
Stocks gain as the transition to a Biden administration begins.
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blatham
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 09:29 am
@hightor,
I've come across no compelling argument holding that Trump ought to be excused but many like this one which argue the opposite.
blatham
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 09:30 am
Just found myself imagining Trump giving a Ted Talk.
Region Philbis
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 09:39 am
@blatham,

he would need a fresh box of Crayolas first...
snood
 
  2  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 09:41 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I've come across no compelling argument holding that Trump ought to be excused but many like this one which argue the opposite.


What’s your take on excusing him, yea or nay? Apologies if you’ve already said and I missed it.
blatham
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 09:41 am
@Region Philbis,
He has a robust crowd-funding operation.
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blatham
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 09:45 am
@snood,
Quote:
What’s your take on excusing him, yea or nay?

Absolutely not. For all the reasons that are argued in the piece hightor linked and which are pretty much duplicated in other commentary I attend to.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 10:16 am
@hightor,
nyt/weissmann wrote:
as painful and hard as it may be for the country, I believe the next attorney general should investigate Mr. Trump and, if warranted, prosecute him for potential federal crimes.

This is why we need to outlaw the Democratic Party. Otherwise they will keep abusing their power this way.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 10:32 am
TUCKER CARLSON: The 2020 presidential election was not fair. No honest person would claim that it was fair. On many levels the system was rigged against one candidate and in favor of another. And it was rigged in ways that were not hidden from view. We all saw it happen. The media openly colluded with the Democratic nominees.

And again we turn to Carlson's and Fox's legal argument that no sane person ought to imagine that Carlson states facts or has any requirement to be truthful...
Quote:
Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.

Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "

She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
NPR
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2020 10:36 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Being president should mean you are more accountable, not less, to the rule of law.

Obama was not subject to the rule of law. Comey and McCabe are not subject to the rule of law. Trump did nothing wrong but win in 2016 and in 2020.

And Andrew Weissman of all people. A corrupt prosecutor known for his abuse of power. You people are something else. That article is total trash from a garbage newspaper. Only fit for the un American scum who read it.
 

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