@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Not just me, of course. It was the broad consensus. Wrong as we know.
There was no such consensus. Only the Dems were certain of winning. The Republicans and the Sandersists said repeatedly that Clinton could very well lose (as you'd expect them to say).
Quote:We all knew Clinton has vulnerabilities (who doesn't, particularly if female) but almost everyone got the degree wrong.
Some of us got it widely wrong (those with a cocksure certainty Clinton would win) and others got it only slightly wrong (those who thought Clinton was a weak candidate who could quite possibly lose)...
Quote:As to "more likely to lose than Sanders", that's a claim or assumption which I see no reason to grant credence.
That's not the point. The claim says: "Clinton may well lose to Trump". Many people saw and said that right. Only the Clinton camp and their allies in the press didn't grant them credence...
Quote:But you've not given answers for either 1) or 2) that would demonstrate some unique prescience on the part of anyone re election result other than Moore.
I am no prescient. I am just more ready than you are to discuss what the Dems did wrong in the last election.
Quote:I haven't read Piketty (nor other economists, it's an area of study I've chosen to forgo). Perhaps you could make some case as to how Piketty clarifies the subject at hand (the election result or specifically why Clinton was, in his theory set, a predictably losing candidate
That the US has become an oligarchy, like Mayer is saying.
Quote:I cite that essay and Mayer's work [...] These are now deep structural factors at federal and state level.
These factors have long been in the known. It was what Sanders' campaign was all about. And he had
quite a few ideas about what could be done.
Quote: Had Clinton's people properly understood that particular vulnerability and managed to organize in a manner superior to what the opposition was smartly doing, she wouldn't have lost in this ridiculously odd and peripheral way.
You'd think a professional politician like Clinton would have the math of the electoral college covered, better than the clown car that that RNC was... I tell you: the Clintonites were far too certain they would win. And that's one of the many reasons for their loss.
Quote:Sanders' supporters were passionate [...] Heart is important, passion is important and good intentions are important and an ethical rejection of the role of money in elections is important. But they are deeply insufficient now.
Nobody said it was
sufficient but I for one think it's
necessary. It must be the starting point of the reconquista.