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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:46 pm
@coldjoint,
You are seriously equating Donald Trump with William Wallace???

No.

Just no.

hightor
 
  4  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:46 pm
Quote:
But while you are here could you tell me how Joe Biden became the most popular candidate in our history?

Is that really too complicated for you to understand?

Here, let me explain. The population of the country continues to increase, meaning the total number of eligible voters has increased. In the 2016 election, analysis of Clinton's turnout showed that many of the voters who had voted for Obama left the top of the ticket blank, voted third party, or didn't even vote at all. (Even so, Clinton won the popular vote.) But in '20, the situation was different. Trump was able to motivate his base but many of the voters who sat out the '16 election didn't view him favorably and, despite Biden's lack of charisma, decided that four more years of Trump was unacceptable and voted for the Democratic candidate. Trump's unpopularity with the electorate as a whole, other than with his core supporters, gave Biden the win. While Biden certainly wasn't the most dynamic candidate, people contrasted his low key approach with Trump's bombast, corruption, and blatant dishonesty and chose the saner candidate. And since the number of voters has grown, the record number of votes reflects our larger population.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:47 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Im amazed at how goddam stupid his attorneys are.

Are you a lawyer?
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coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:51 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

It does provide him with a face saving device while keeping the conspiracies alive which harm our nation's trust in our elections. But I wish he would give up completely and allow Biden's transition to be normalized.

Not allowing inspection of ballots, stopping counts in the middle of the night, putting cardboard over windows harm our elections integrity. Trump did none of those things.

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coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:52 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

No contest.

^^^^^
No credibility
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:54 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

You are seriously equating Donald Trump with William Wallace???

No.

Just no.



Actually I am comparing you and others with Robert the Bruce, a traitor.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:55 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
But while you are here could you tell me how Joe Biden became the most popular candidate in our history?

Is that really too complicated for you to understand?

Here, let me explain. The population of the country continues to increase, meaning the total number of eligible voters has increased. In the 2016 election, analysis of Clinton's turnout showed that many of the voters who had voted for Obama left the top of the ticket blank, voted third party, or didn't even vote at all. (Even so, Clinton won the popular vote.) But in '20, the situation was different. Trump was able to motivate his base but many of the voters who sat out the '16 election didn't view him favorably and, despite Biden's lack of charisma, decided that four more years of Trump was unacceptable and voted for the Democratic candidate. Trump's unpopularity with the electorate as a whole, other than with his core supporters, gave Biden the win. While Biden certainly wasn't the most dynamic candidate, people contrasted his low key approach with Trump's bombast, corruption, and blatant dishonesty and chose the saner candidate. And since the number of voters has grown, the record number of votes reflects our larger population.


What a bunch of complete bullshit. Laughing Laughing Laughing If I wrote something like that I would be humiliated.
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 12:55 pm
@coldjoint,
Lol!

Whatevs peeps.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:01 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Lol!

Whatevs peeps.

All you got troll?
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:03 pm
Who needs Russia? Loudest attacks on US vote are from Trump
By ERIC TUCKER and DAVID KLEPPER
today

WASHINGTON (AP) — Russia didn’t have to lift a finger.

In the weeks before the U.S. presidential election, federal authorities warned that Russia or other foreign countries might spread false information about the results to discredit the legitimacy of the outcome.

Turns out, the loudest megaphone for that message belonged not to Russia but to President Donald Trump, who has trumpeted a blizzard of thoroughly debunked claims to proclaim that he, not President-elect Joe Biden, was the rightful winner.

The resulting chaos is consistent with longstanding Russian interests to sow discord in the United States and to chip away at the country’s democratic foundations and standing on the world stage. If the 2016 election raised concerns about foreign interference in U.S. politics, the 2020 contest shows how Americans themselves, and their leaders, can be a powerful source of disinformation without other governments even needing to do the work.

“For quite a while at this point, the Kremlin has been able to essentially just use and amplify the content, the false and misleading and sensational, politically divisive content generated by political officials and American themselves” rather than create their own narratives and content, said former CIA officer Cindy Otis, vice president for analysis at the Alethea Group, which tracks disinformation.

U.S. officials had been on high alert for foreign interference heading into Nov. 3, especially after a presidential election four years earlier in which Russian intelligence officers hacked Democratic emails and Russian troll farms used social media to sway public opinion.

Public service announcements from the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security’s cybersecurity arm warned of the ways Russia or other countries could interfere again, including by creating or altering websites after the election to spread false information about the results “in an attempt to discredit the electoral process and undermine confidence in U.S. democratic institutions.”

Yet many of the false claims about voting, elections and the candidates in the months and weeks ahead of the election — and in the days since — originated not from foreign actors eager to destabilize the U.S. but from domestic groups and Trump himself.

“Almost all of this is domestic,” said Alex Stamos, the director of the Stanford Internet Observatory and a member of the Election Integrity Partnership, a group of leading disinformation experts who studied online misinformation relating to the 2020 election.

Stamos said that while there were some small indications of foreign interference on social media, it amounted to “nothing that has been all that interesting” compared with the flood of claims shared by Americans themselves.

Though Russian hackers had targeted state and local networks in the weeks before the election, Election Day came and went without the feared attacks on voting infrastructure, and federal officials and other experts have said there is no evidence voting systems were compromised or any votes were lost or changed.

That’s not to say Russia was entirely silent during the election, or in the immediate aftermath. For instance, English-language websites the U.S. government has linked to Russia have amplified stories suggesting voting problems or fraud.

Intelligence officials warned in August that Russia was engaged in a concerted effort to disparage Biden and singled out a Ukrainian parliamentarian who has met with Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani has been central to Trump’s election attacks, arguing a Pennsylvania court case on Tuesday and appearing at a news conference on Thursday that was rife with debunked claims, including a fictitious story that a server hosting evidence of voting irregularities was in Germany.

Trump retweeted a post that criticized the news media for not more aggressively covering the news conference. More broadly, he has helped drive the spread of inaccurate information through a disinformation machine that relies on social media, conservative radio and television outlets and the amplification power of his millions of followers.

Zignal Labs, a San Francisco media intelligence firm, identified and tracked millions of social media posts about voting by mail in the months before the election and found huge spikes immediately following several of Trump’s tweets.

One example: On July 30, Trump tweeted misinformation about mail ballots three separate times, including stating without evidence that mail ballots would be an “easy way” for foreign adversaries to interfere, calling the process inaccurate and fraudulent and repeating a false distinction that absentee ballots are somehow more secure than mail ballots when both are treated the same.

Together, those three tweets were reposted by other users more than 100,000 times and liked more than 430,000 times — leading the spread of mail ballot misinformation that day and helping Trump dominate the online discussion the entire week, according to Zignal’s analysis.

Many of the false claims seen on Election Day originated with American voters themselves, whose posts about baseless allegations of voter fraud were then reposted to millions more people by Trump allies. That amplification allows isolated or misleading claims to spread more widely.

“You’re not talking about grassroots activity so much anymore,” Stamos said. “You’re talking about top-down activity that is facilitated by the ability of these folks to create these audiences.”

Researchers at Harvard University’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society analyzed social media posts and news stories about voter fraud and determined that “Fox News and Donald Trump’s own campaign were far more influential in spreading false beliefs than Russian trolls or Facebook clickbait artists.”

One of the researchers, Harvard Law School professor Yochai Benkler, said that when his team looked at sudden increases in online chatter about voter fraud, they almost always followed a comment from Trump or top allies.

Justin Levitt, an election law expert at Loyola Law School, said that, unlike four years ago, “now we don’t need a foreign military unit to attack us. We have a chief executive doing exactly that” and working to spread disinformation.

“It’s even more dangerous this time,” he added, “than it was in 2016.”
Rebelofnj
 
  2  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:03 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Sidney Powell will save the nation ‘within the next two weeks’


Trump's timeline? Always "two weeks" From 2017:

Quote:

*Taxes (on Feb. 9): "We're going to be announcing something I would say over the next two or three weeks."

*Wiretapping (March 4): "I think you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks."

*Infrastructure (April 5): "We're going to make an announcement in two weeks."

*Infrastructure (April 29): "We've got the plan largely completed and we'll be filing over the next two or three weeks — maybe sooner."

*Paris accord (April 29): "And I'll be making a big decision on the Paris accord over the next two weeks."

*ISIS (May 21): "We're going to be having a news conference in about two weeks to let everybody know how well we're doing."


https://www.axios.com/trumps-timeline-always-two-weeks-1513302785-b6370a4f-bb5e-434a-80ca-1249c7cf2baa.html

Trump promised a health-care plan in two weeks. It’s been two weeks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/03/trump-promised-health-care-plan-two-weeks-its-been-two-weeks/
coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:07 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Who needs Russia? Loudest attacks on US vote are from Trump

As they should be. He is the one that the fraud targeted.He is not attacking the US he is attacking the criminals that stole the election.

Articles enforcing the obvious lie that this election was fair are an insult to people's intelligence and signal desperation.
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:09 pm
@coldjoint,
There is NO basis for his claims.

None.

And every time you spout this nonsense hurts the American people. YOU are the problem.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:09 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:

Quote:
Sidney Powell will save the nation ‘within the next two weeks’


Trump's timeline? Always "two weeks" From 2017:

Quote:

*Taxes (on Feb. 9): "We're going to be announcing something I would say over the next two or three weeks."

*Wiretapping (March 4): "I think you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks."

*Infrastructure (April 5): "We're going to make an announcement in two weeks."

*Infrastructure (April 29): "We've got the plan largely completed and we'll be filing over the next two or three weeks — maybe sooner."

*Paris accord (April 29): "And I'll be making a big decision on the Paris accord over the next two weeks."

*ISIS (May 21): "We're going to be having a news conference in about two weeks to let everybody know how well we're doing."


https://www.axios.com/trumps-timeline-always-two-weeks-1513302785-b6370a4f-bb5e-434a-80ca-1249c7cf2baa.html

You are quoting Trump, not Powell. The media and Democrats are a special kind of stupid.
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coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:11 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

There is NO basis for his claims.

None.

And every time you spout this nonsense hurts the American people. YOU are the problem.

About a thousand affidavits and statistical evidence of mathematical impossibilities are plenty of evidence. Next.
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:14 pm
@coldjoint,
Unproven, not even ONE court case has won.

Lies aren't proof.
hightor
 
  3  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:16 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
What a bunch of complete bullshit.

Are you claiming that less people voted this year? Are you denying that there was an historic turn-out? Are you saying that the total number of eligible voters in the USA has decreased since 2016? Do you understand that if one candidate ends up with more votes than his opponent that means he's the victor?
Wikipedia wrote:
A bipartisan report indicated in 2019 that changes in voter demographics since the 2016 election could impact the results of the 2020 election. African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and other ethnic minorities, as well as "whites with a college degree", are expected to all increase their percentage of national eligible voters by 2020, while "whites without a college degree" will decrease. The Hispanic likely voter population has increased by approximately 600,000 since the 2016 election. Generation Z, those born after 1996, will more than double to 10% of the eligible voters. It was possible Trump could win the Electoral College while still losing the popular vote, however, updated NBC News reporting from September 2020 predicted this was unlikely with 2020 demographics.

Youth turnout in the 2016 presidential election was extremely low, and during the Democratic primaries young voters broke overwhelmingly for Bernie Sanders. However, polls suggest that youth turnout for the 2020 election is comparatively very high.

The number of people who enthusiastically voted for Biden plus the number of people who purposely voted against Trump amounted to more people than the number of voters in Trump's base. It's not that complicated — he was a polarizing candidate and ultimately not that popular.

farmerman
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:17 pm
@neptuneblue,
affidavits have been classed "Hearsay"> These lawyers need som remedial training and the judges are getting impatient with them.
farmerman
 
  1  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:18 pm
@hightor,
Laughing Cool Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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coldjoint
 
  2  
Sat 21 Nov, 2020 01:26 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Unproven, not even ONE court case has won.

Lies aren't proof.

How do you know they are lies? You cannot argue with numbers. You are going to find that out.
 

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