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nimh
 
  3  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 10:48 am
@nimh,
Mind you, there appears to be some evidence that Trump is having an effect on the Dutch elections...

The far-right Freedom Party of Geert Wilders, who has whole-heartedly embraced Donald Trump, has been slipping in the polls. Last December, it was still riding high at 31-37 seats, which translates into about 20-24% of the vote. Less than a quarter of the vote, but in the fragmented Dutch electoral landscape easily enough to rank as the largest party -- and certainly more than a far-right party ever got before in a Dutch election.

But by now, Wilders' PVV is down to 24-28 seats, or about 17% of the vote. Still enough to rank first, but only narrowly so. (Also worth pointing out that the Green Left and the Socialists together pool a larger share of the vote, at some 18%).

Again, there is a variety of contexts. Prime Minister Rutte and his conservative-liberal VVD have been surprisingly adamant that they will not work with Wilders in any coalition government after the election. That may play a role. At the same time, Rutte has coopted some of Wilders' harsh rhetoric. Wilders has also stuck to his habit of not really doing any campaigning - he's done one interview; hasn't, I think, taken part in any debate yet; and doesn't really do public events. He mainly just relies on Twitter. He got a lot of blowback the other day for tweeting a photoshopped picture, in which a liberal politician was montaged into a Muslim fundamentalist demonstration. Who knows to what extent any of this plays a role.

But Trump may also have had a deterrent effect. A poll released last weekend found that 69% of the Dutch have a negative opinion of Trump's measures as President so far, and only 15% had a positive opinion. Surprisingly, even Freedom Party voters were somewhat ambivalent. Just 49% of them evaluated Trump's measures positively, while 25% had a negative opinion. (The voters of all the other parties, from left to right, were negative by an at least 11%/70% split.) The Financial Daily reported that "pollsters say many Freedom Party sympathizers have been taken aback by the behavior of US President Trump, with whom Wilders empathically identifies".

Still, no reason to get too optimistic. A rogue VVD MP opined the other day that the Netherlands should impose an immigration stop on all young men from the Middle East and Africa. A whopping 52% of the Dutch agrees, the same poll from last weekend showed. That includes, of course, 96% of Freedom Party voters, but also two-thirds of the voters of 50 Plus (a party for older people), half the voters of the center-right parties VVD and CDA, and a third of Socialist Party voters. Only Labour Party and Green Left voters were overwhelmingly opposed.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 10:54 am
@nimh,
Latest Gallup approval rating on Trump is 41%. It's sliding. Trump's base is around 35%.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 10:58 am
@nimh,
The reason they have such a negative opinion is not because of anything Trump has actually done though. That's the thing. The reason is that the just over lloading of the media of everything negative about Trump. 24 hours a day of nothing but anti-Trump propaganda.

Think about, what has Trump actually done? This is just like giving Obama the Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:04 am
@McGentrix,
The media informed us of Trump's lies, bigotry and scamming.
Trump's lies: https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2017/feb/18/donald-trump-first-month-of-lies-video
Trump's bigotry: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
Trump's scams: http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/donald-trump-con-artist

If you understand anything about Trump, he would be the first to sue those publication for defamation of character. He even threatened to sue them, but he has not. Do you understand why he threatened, but didn't sue?

It only proves the fraud that he is.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:21 am
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.vox.com
Trump's threat to sue, but didn't.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:23 am
@nimh,
It is concerning.

Quote:
Mr Wilders addressed his supporters on Saturday amid tight security in his party's stronghold of Spijkenisse, an ethnically-diverse area near Rotterdam.

"There is a lot of Moroccan scum in Holland who make the streets unsafe," he said. "If you want to regain your country, make the Netherlands for the people of the Netherlands again, then you can only vote for one party."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39016179
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:25 am
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/17/14651208/trump-budget-forecast
Another Trump scam against our country.
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gungasnake
 
  -1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:32 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Latest Gallup approval rating on Trump is 41%. It's sliding. Trump's base is around 35%.


Latest poll I saw had DT at 55% and climbing. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions; NOBODY is entitled to any sort of a separate but equal version of reality. That includes you.
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:34 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
The reason they have such a negative opinion is not because of anything Trump has actually done though. That's the thing. The reason is that the just over lloading of the media of everything negative about Trump. 24 hours a day of nothing but anti-Trump propaganda.


It worked against George W. Bush. W. eventually just curled up in some sort of a fetal position in the white house and never came out again. It won't work against D.T. D.T. has his own means of taking his case directly to the people, he has W. by 25 - 30 IQ points at least and he has the cretins of the 4'th estate by more than that.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:37 am
@gungasnake,
Show us the source on the 55%?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
55% say they disapprove.
http://www.weareiowa.com/news/gallup-poll-trump-approval-rating-at-new-low/655335988

Even FOX news gives Trump 48% approval rating. Get your news from RT?
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layman
 
  -1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:43 am
@nimh,
Well, ya know, polls, favorable or unfavorable, don't really mean sheeit. People answering questions aint the ones in the white house. Love him or hate him, Trump pulls the strings. If he does a good job, aint nuthin else will matter.

Quote:
“I do not listen to every criticism, let alone act on them. I have learned to do my best, and if the end result is good then I do not care for any criticism, but if the end result is not good, then even the praise of ten angels would not make the difference.” (A. Lincoln)


Quote:
“Popular opinon is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it is the voice of God.” (Mark Twain)
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:46 am
@nimh,
Sadly, it's actually (more or less) the same here.
However, it's a bit of of luck that the extreme right tends to be not only pro-Trump but openly supporting the "Nazi-patriotism"
nimh
 
  4  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
He's citing Rasmussen, which has the highest approval for Trump of any pollster. You were citing Gallup, which has the lowest approval of any pollster. McGentrix and I literally just discussed this here in this thread.
layman
 
  -3  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:53 am
Some woman called my phone the other say.

She said: "I am taking a poll."

I said: "Really? Well, OK, then!"

"I gotcho pole right here, eh?"
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camlok
 
  0  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
he extreme right tends to be not only pro-Trump but openly supporting the "Nazi-patriotism"
=========

Do you find that surprising?
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:55 am
@nimh,
Everybody Is a fraud except Trump.https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/trump-fact-check.amp.html?client=safari
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layman
 
  -1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 11:59 am
Thinkin back on it....

Every candyass I've ever run into wanted to call himself a "cosmopolitan." All cheese-eaters maximus, sho nuff.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 12:00 pm
@layman,
I eat cheese. So, what?
Americans average 34 pounds of cheese consumption every year.
layman
 
  -1  
Sat 18 Feb, 2017 12:03 pm
Anybody who makes a youtube video while eatin fried chicken is a homey a mine!

 

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