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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Builder
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 04:31 am
@MontereyJack,
Two responses, and you didn't answer my first question.

What would you expect your president to do?
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 13 Nov, 2020 04:40 am
After US election officials rejected Trump’s nonsense about voter fraud, China finally got around to congratulating Biden.

Putin will probably wait until 20th Jan.
hightor
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 04:43 am
@Builder,
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What would you expect your president to do?

I would expect him to at least acknowledge the conditions we are experiencing instead of downplaying the severity. I'd expect him to increase the visibility and reach of the CDC instead of sidelining it. I'd expect him to reach out to governors and encourage them to enforce the social protocols which work to limit the spread of the disease. I'd expect him to lead. The guy's missing in action, fuming about losing to "the worst candidate ever" and still settling scores.
Quote:
Are the state governors doing anything?

Of course they are. Some more effectively than others.
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Australia is opening up borders again, and public gatherings of a hundred people are good to go.

If Trump hadn't misled the public by minimizing the danger of the infection in the early spring — even though he knew better — the USA might be on the road to improvement as well.
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The states will still make the final decisions on how they handle border openings.

We're no way near that point yet. And countries determine whether international borders open, not states. Canada recently decided to keep its southern border closed. The provinces didn't make that decision, Ottawa did.
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Get with the program, kid, and stop blaming your president for state failures.

Yeah, like I'm really going to take your condescending ignorance as some sort of sage advice.



Builder
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 04:58 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Yeah, like I'm really going to take your condescending ignorance as some sort of sage advice.


Condescending ignorance is all any of you offer.
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hightor
 
  4  
Fri 13 Nov, 2020 05:31 am
The Post-Presidency of a Con Man

Out of office, Trump might seem a lot less formidable.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/11/13/opinion/sunday/13Goldberg/13Goldberg-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

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It’s hard to tell whether Donald Trump is attempting a coup or throwing a tantrum.

Crying voter fraud, his administration has refused to begin a presidential transition despite his decisive electoral defeat. Some Republicans have floated the idea of getting legislatures in states that Joe Biden won to disregard vote totals and instead appoint pro-Trump electors to the Electoral College. The president has decapitated the Pentagon, putting fanatical loyalists in some of its highest ranks. Anthony Tata, who called Barack Obama a “terrorist leader” and tweeted a lurid fantasy about the execution of former C.I.A. Director John Brennan, is now the Pentagon’s policy chief. This is all supremely alarming.

But there’s cause for comfort, of a sort, in signs that the president is preparing for life outside the White House in exactly the way one would expect — by initiating new grifts. Trump has been sending out frantic fund-raising requests to “defend the election,” but as The New York Times reports, most of the money is actually going to a PAC, Save America, that “will be used to underwrite Mr. Trump’s post-presidential activities.” Axios reports that Trump is considering starting a digital media company to undermine Fox News, which he now regards as disloyal.

These moves suggest that while Trump may be willing to torch American democracy to salve his wounded ego, at least part of him is getting ready to leave office.

When he finally does, some political observers and Republican professionals assume he’ll remain a political kingmaker, and will be a favorite for the party’s nomination in 2024. The Times reported, “Allies imagined other Republicans making a pilgrimage to his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida seeking his blessing.” Senator Marco Rubio told The Daily Beast’s Sam Brodey, “If he runs in 2024, he’ll certainly be the front-runner, and then he’ll probably be the nominee.”

Maybe. There’s no doubt that Trump has a cultlike hold on his millions of worshipers, and a unique ability to command public attention. But there are reasons to think that when he is finally ejected from the White House, he will become a significantly diminished figure.

Once Trump is no longer president, he is likely to be consumed by lawsuits and criminal investigations. Hundreds of millions of dollars in debt will come due. Lobbyists and foreign dignitaries won’t have much of a reason to patronize Mar-a-Lago or his Washington hotel. Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch could complete the transition from Trump’s enabler to his enemy. And, after four years of cartoonish self-abasement, Republicans with presidential aspirations will have an incentive to help take him down.

“His whole life he’s been involved in a bunch of litigation,” said the superstar liberal attorney Roberta Kaplan. But post-presidency, “I have to assume that, given the amount of civil litigation and potential criminal exposure, it’s going to be at a completely new dimension.”

Kaplan is fighting three high-profile lawsuits against Trump, including the writer E. Jean Carroll’s defamation case. Carroll, you might remember, accused Trump of raping her in a department store dressing room during the 1990s. Trump called her a liar, and she’s suing him for damaging her reputation.

Under Attorney General Bill Barr, the Department of Justice has tried to shut down the suit, arguing that Trump was acting in his official capacity when he said Carroll had made up the story to sell books. In October a judge rejected the department’s theory, but had Trump been re-elected, Kaplan expected an appeal.

Once Biden is president, Kaplan told me, “It’s hard for me to imagine that the D.O.J. won’t change its position.” So the case is likely to proceed. Kaplan expects it to go into discovery shortly after Biden’s inauguration. She anticipates deposing Trump and collecting his D.N.A. to compare with male D.N.A. found on the dress Carroll was wearing at the time of the alleged attack.

If Kaplan and Carroll prevail at trial, it would be a high-profile legal validation of Carroll’s claims. Her suit has not, so far, been a major news story — there’s too much else going on. But a verdict in her favor could be the #MeToo version of the civil judgment against O.J. Simpson — not justice, exactly, but a powerful rejection of impunity.

Carroll’s suit is not the only one that could force Trump to answer for his predatory history with women. The former “Apprentice” contestant Summer Zervos, who says Trump groped and kissed her against her will, is, like Carroll, suing for defamation because Trump called her a liar. (Her lawyer is Beth Wilkinson, who defended Brett Kavanaugh when he was accused of sexual assault during his Supreme Court confirmation fight.)

In additional to Carroll, Kaplan is representing Mary Trump, the president’s niece, who is suing Trump, his sister and his late brother Robert’s estate for fraud and civil conspiracy, saying they cheated her out of an inheritance. And she’s representing a group of people who are suing Trump and his three oldest children for enticing them to invest in an alleged pyramid scheme, run by a telecommunications company called ACN, which sold clunky videophones.

The plaintiffs are poor and working class, including a hospice caregiver who paid thousands of dollars to ACN because she trusted Trump’s fulsome endorsements, having no idea that ACN was paying Trump millions. As with the other suits, there is obviously no guarantee of success. But Trump’s alleged involvement in a multilevel marketing scheme that traded on a false image of his business acumen will be a minor subplot over the next few years.

It’s too much to expect any sudden exposure of Trump. There will be no cathartic moment when everyone realizes that the emperor was always naked. But the question isn’t whether Trump’s support will evaporate. It’s whether it will erode, especially once he loses the ability to make Republican dreams come true.

Besides, the threats to Trump are not only to his reputation, such as it is. In Bob Woodward’s book “Fear,” he wrote that Trump’s former lawyer John Dowd implored the president not to testify in Robert Mueller’s probe because he believed him to be an inveterate liar. (Dowd has denied this.) Should Trump face depositions in these civil cases, however, he’ll have no choice about submitting to interviews.

Andrew Weissmann, Mueller’s former deputy, told me he expects Trump to pardon himself for any federal crimes he might have committed. That would mean that even if a Biden Department of Justice wanted to take the extraordinary step of prosecuting a former president, it would also have to litigate the constitutionality of self-pardons, a complicated, time-consuming process.

But he might face state charges that he can’t pardon his way out of. New York State Attorney General Letitia James has a civil investigation into possible financial chicanery by the Trump Organization. Trump is under criminal investigation by Manhattan’s district attorney, Cyrus Vance. While the scope of the probe is unknown, his office’s filings suggest Vance could be looking at tax fraud, insurance fraud and falsification of business records.

The “Manhattan DA’s office is a really good office, and they’ve done a lot of white-collar cases,” said Weissmann. “If they were to prove — this is now hypothetical — but if they were to prove tens of millions of dollars in tax fraud or bank fraud, people go to jail for that.”

Let’s say Trump, ever the escape artist, avoids prison, setting himself up as the warlord of MAGA-world at Mar-a-Lago. His post-presidency still won’t be easy. As The Times has reported, he’s personally on the hook for $421 million in debt, most of it coming due in the next four years. If a long fight with the I.R.S. goes against him, he could owe at least $100 million more.

“Mr. Trump still has assets to sell,” The Times reported. “But doing so could take its own toll, both financial and to Mr. Trump’s desire to always be seen as a winner.”

Trump is already trying to profit off his avid base, and he will surely continue. But it’s an open question whether, without the intoxicating aura of presidential power, he can sustain their devotion. There are several examples of once-formidable right-wing leaders reduced to footnotes after leaving office.

As Republican House majority leader, Tom DeLay was frequently described as the most powerful man in Congress. Then, in 2005, he was indicted on a charge of campaign money laundering. Though his 2010 conviction was eventually overturned on appeal, the last time he had any significant public profile was when he appeared on “Dancing With the Stars” in 2009.

Sarah Palin, too, was once a Republican icon; in many ways she presaged Trump. “Win or Lose, Many See Palin as Future of Party,” said a New York Times headline just before the 2008 election. It quoted right-wing activist Brent Bozell: “Conservatives have been looking for leadership, and she has proved that she can electrify the grass roots like few people have in the last 20 years.”

But since resigning as Alaska’s governor in 2009, Palin has lost her luster. Once a likely presidential prospect, she recently made headlines for wearing a pink and purple bear costume on the Fox reality show “The Masked Singer.”

Trump is in for years of scandals and humiliations. We will doubtlessly find out more about official misdeeds he tried to keep secret as president. Republicans who hope to succeed him will have reason to start painting him as a loser instead of a savior. He’ll have to devote much of his energy to trying to stay out of prison.

After all that, could he be back in 2024? Of course. Trump is, if nothing else, relentless. But this election was just the latest reminder that he is far from invincible. When he is no longer in office, there will be many more.

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Region Philbis
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 05:54 am

Election officials, including federal government,
contradict Trump's voter-fraud conspiracy theories


"The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the
country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior
to finalizing the result," the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council and the
Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees said.

The group, which includes federal employees working in the Trump administration, added in
boldfaced type: "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes,
changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
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Brand X
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 06:01 am
@izzythepush,
Russia, if you're listening, I lost!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ems5olSW4AI3SgR?format=jpg&name=large
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farmerman
 
  2  
Fri 13 Nov, 2020 06:10 am
Goddam, I got nothin to add. Im just happy relieved camper.

I think Joe should exercise "Malice toward None", and not pursue Trump after hes gone. Bidens gonna have enough of a challenge trying to "bind up the wounds" to engage in a mindless search for revenge , especially when theres 71 million folks who still believe in Trump.

Just sayin.
farmerman
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 06:19 am
@farmerman,
Trump will have his own problems after hes gone and to entangle the nations future with this guys money and felony problems will be totally unproductive.
I think the revengers should look at OAC and see how that's going. All wed be doing is giiving a mission statement to "proud Boys" and "Qanon"
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 13 Nov, 2020 07:21 am
The Las Vegas Review Journal owned by Trump supporter Sheldon Adelson has told Trump to admit defeat. Adelson has donated US$75 million to Trump’s campaign and his paper was the first major newspaper to endorse Trump in 2016.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 07:48 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Goddam, I got nothin to add. Im just happy relieved camper.

I think Joe should exercise "Malice toward None", and not pursue Trump after hes gone. Bidens gonna have enough of a challenge trying to "bind up the wounds" to engage in a mindless search for revenge , especially when theres 71 million folks who still believe in Trump.

Just sayin.


I think the AG of the state of New York is gonna take decisions about how to treat Trump's "shenanigan's" out of Biden's hands. And I understand that Illinois is on tap for moves in that direction also. Several lawsuits by individuals and corporations are also on the horizon.

For over a year I have argued against any thoughts of prosecuting an ex-president (too banana republic for me), but the arguments for taking action ARE compelling. If we allow Trump to get away with what he has been doing, future drifters will come along and feel safe with what they do.
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oristarA
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 07:49 am
@hightor,
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Out of office, Trump might seem a lot less formidable.


That's for sure.

Even for Obama, sometimes he looks just like an ordinary farmerman. Wink
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blatham
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 08:03 am
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Oath Keepers militia leader Stewart Rhodes said that he has armed men on standby outside of Washington, D.C., to supposedly prevent the 2020 presidential election from being stolen from President Donald Trump. Echoing elements of the QAnon conspiracy theory during an appearance on far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ program, Rhodes said the only way to prevent his men from engaging in a “bloody fight” would be Trump declassifying information to supposedly expose pedophiles in the “deep state” and allow the president to stay in power.

Rhodes also indicated his militia will be involved in a rally to support Trump planned for this weekend in the nation's capital...
MM

These guys have the same pathology as Trump - or any other bully, dictator, Mafia boss or tyrant. That is, they need others to be fearful of them and to always consider them dangerous. It's a very primitive dominance game. And it's why Trump is behaving as he is right at this moment. It's why he can't concede or admit another is more powerful or more dominant and it's why he cannot admit failure.

Thus bluster is an absolutely predictable aspect of how these guys operate because they have to keep pounding out and repeating this image of the dangerous strong man. It's a marketing strategy (though often intuitive rather than carefully thought out in this personality type). But he can't maintain this big lie of being uber everyone else because it is a big lie. He'll likely never concede or if so, he'll say some words that Republicans will insist represent a concession but which actually are the opposite.

My advice is to monitor what he does going forward but at the same time recognizing that he's a blowhard who'll keep doing what he always does (likewise these militia maniacs). Don't buy in. Ignore the words and claims because they are empty - the detritus of a pathological liar.
McGentrix
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 08:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

coldjoint wrote:
Written by the fascist Left.
It is symptomatic that you call Ivan Krastev a "fascist Left".


Walter, it should be clear to you by know that most Americans couldn't give two shits about what happens in other countries. They have no real impact on America or American lives.
What happens in Albania does not have any bearing on what happens in America. There is no country in the world like America for a reason.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Fri 13 Nov, 2020 08:05 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

because you support a lying, crooked con man who has fed you something fraudulent every time he opens his mouth.


No, he is anti-Biden. You can tell by his posts.
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 08:11 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

you have no idea how federal and state governments work together. Neither does trump.


Well, you certainly don't. That's obvious.
MontereyJack
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 08:18 am
@McGentrix,
apparently you don't either.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 08:48 am
@McGentrix,
You certainly might be correct.
But since thread is about "monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events" and not excluding countries outside the USA per se, I mentioned this opinion piece.
Trump's supporters both inside and outside the United States stand by him, especially here in Europe by the mentioned governments of Poland and Hungary. And all European populist movements have echoed Trump’s demographic anxiety.

Albania is just mentioned to answer the question, if the experience there (and in other European countries) could help America to deal with the reality of contested elections.

But I don't think that writing such an opinion makes Ivan Krastev (a political scientist) a "fascist Left".
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oristarA
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 09:16 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Trump will have his own problems after hes gone and to entangle the nations future with this guys money and felony problems will be totally unproductive.


I think this guy will soon slip or be thrown into oblivion after Biden's inauguration. No one will remember him because he doesn't really have his own ideas; "no plan" is his plan - he's simply an opportunist, a businessman - for that type the society has plenty. He comes like a wild fire and be gone with the wind.
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hightor
 
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Fri 13 Nov, 2020 09:22 am
@McGentrix,
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There is no country in the world like America for a reason.

The reason for that is that there's no country in the world named "America".
 

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