@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:In four years Democrats never even considered unity. Trump is going to return the favor.
Hopefully the Republicans will be willing to boo and jeer Mr. Biden throughout his state of the union speech. Maybe they can drown him out with air horns or something.
Once the Republicans retake the House in 2022 they can just refuse to allow Mr. Biden to give a state of the union speech altogether.
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills and the places you select as sources of information.
The Washington Examiner is a lopsided paper leaning to the more conservative side of things. Similar to FOX 'News", it is not entirely reliable.
The Washington Examiner scores as well as CNN, MSNBC, and The Guardian on reliability, at least according to that media rating website that Bobsal was linking to a few months ago.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/
@snood,
snood wrote:And that speaks to the thing that's so egregious about what the republicans are doing right now. By giving place to this fable about a corrupt election, they are poisoning democracy itself.
It's fucked up in the same way that caused large numbers of people today still believing Obama is not a native born American. Because they absorbed the foul lie about a birth certificate.
Those 20,000-plus lies that Trump has told have leeched their way into our collective consciousness, just by virtue of how fast they multiply and the weight of their numbers.
Because of the boldfaced lie being allowed to spread, there will be large swaths of the population who will always believe that Joseph Robinette Biden was not a legitimate president.
The longer they spread this lie about "illegal votes", the more damage will be done - and not just to Biden's presidency, but to Americans' faith in government and the democratic election process.
Trump will leave on 01/20/2021, but they are doing damage that's going to last a long time.
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
@oralloy,
Answer my question or admit it’s a ridiculous proposition.
@snood,
Wait your turn. I'm answering posts in order. Though since you broke my flood prevention timeout, you'll get your answer a bit sooner now.
Well, OK, I'll give you a preview answer: NO.
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:Quote:Legislature in a Battleground State Calls an Emergency Session Over Voting Irregularities
Hmm. The state legislature is a credible source. I did not see this on any network. If they are going to meet in an emergency session these irregularities need to be explained. Hopefully they will pursue this until the answers are found.
Quote:The legislature ended up slapping state election officials with a subpoena for documents related to the state's election process, the Detroit Free Press reported.
House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Matt Hall (R-Marshall) said the investigation was necessary so Michiganders have confidence in the state's election processes.
“I have gotten hundreds of calls and emails from people in Calhoun and Kalamazoo counties who say they have no faith in our election system based on what they have seen since Tuesday," Hall said. "People have seen news reports of challengers being denied access to polling locations. They see windows being covered up to prevent people from watching ballots be examined and tabulated. Software errors have mistakenly awarded votes to a candidate. These instances and images have led to controversy, confusion and frustration — and it certainly is not a model of transparency."
Transparency is like a cross to a vampire for Democrats.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/11/08/battleground-woes-gop-led-state-legislature-calls-emergency-session-over-voting-n2579682
I emailed my state representative and state senator asking them to hold hearings on the election to ensure its integrity.
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:So I guess my next question is - what odds that before the inauguration, Trump leaves the country, and lands somewhere without an extradition treaty?
Zero. But the continued witch hunts continue to build the case for outlawing the Democratic Party.
@hightor,
The Atlantic wrote:the "birther" conspiracy theory, a movement whose importance was massively underestimated at the time. Aside from its racist undertones,
Progressives really are goofy the way they always falsely accuse everyone of racism.
The only significance of the birther nonsense was that it provoked Mr. Obama into needlessly picking a fight with Mr. Trump that led to him running for office in 2016.
@snood,
snood wrote:Enjoy the last 72 days of the impeached disgraceful president. It's all you're gonna get.
After four years of a weak and ineffective Biden Administration, Mr. Trump will find it easy to win in 2024.
So, McConnell and Barr have a meeting which was followed by McConnell, in remarks to the Senate, saying that votes for the Senate and Congress were spiffy and valid while votes for the President were questionable at best. And then Barr said that Trump is correct in his questioning of the results and the D of J was on the case now (though with no known or mentioned processes whereby D of J staff would be assigned and while leaving himself an out by declaring that silly non-evidentiary claims out to be disregarded)
And along with the above, yesterday, the two Georgia Senate candidates made loud statements demanding the S of S for Georgia, a Republican, must resign for some unclarified and mysterious malfeasance.
And all of this comes in tandem with the Trump campaign's loud and totally unverified claims of a stolen election which is echoed across right wing media.
We can, I think, see several related things at work here. First, the Bannon/Trump strategy to "flood the zone with ****". That is, just toss as many lies, misrepresentation, counter-narratives, insinuations etc as they can come up with to confuse citizens, to invalidate reporting which they don't want prominent in the nation's consciousness and to 1) try and prevent any further consensus that Biden won the election while 2) building within their base a consensus that the election was stolen. Whatever motives these players might have, this flood the zone with **** strategy has utility, so they're all on board with it.
Another thing at work, obviously, is an attempt to sway the two George Senate runoff votes immediately up the road. Controlling the Senate is another goal that is shared by all these GOP players. It is also shared by figures further behind the scenes. For example, more than a year ago Jane Mayer reported that the Koch crowd was not putting any big money to support Trump - it was going to defend the Senate majority. Indeed, the entire top ranks of movement conservative players and institutions will be happy to have Trump gone so long as the Senate stays in GOP hands and the courts are not negatively (negatively for them) influenced. They do NOT want a situation where the half century of work to pack the courts is nullified. Barr and other movement conservative stalwarts with brains understand how close they've gotten to finally getting what they want - effective control of government by one party and one ideology with citizens effectively marginalized and corporate interests (in the company of agreeable religious zealots) ruling it all.
Trump himself (and family/close associates) are a different matter. Trump doesn't give a **** about anything other than himself (and family and close allies, I presume). He has no political philosophy beyond protecting or advancing himself. As has been true for four years or more, his pathologies are again on full display just much more acutely so right now. He can't abide being perceived as a loser and as being lesser than others - less intelligent and less powerful.
And we have to understand he is surely very concerned about what is going to happen to him legally and financially when he's lost the protections he has as President. So he'll do anything now to prevent such exposure. It might well be the case that everything he's doing right now (and has done over the last months when the possibility/probability of failure was facing him) is and has been to create so much chaos in the nation and in a transfer of power to Biden's team and in the civil service, etc, is to make him so much of a danger to civil society now and going forward that he will be able to blackmail the nation into forgoing any and all criminal and civil litigation against him. "With a few statements, I can encourage my base to rise up in something like a civil war unless you allow me and my family to walk away with no future legal threats. You know I can do this. I have armies out there. Even many police are on my side. It's your choice."
@Builder,
Builder wrote:hightor wrote:The post was from an article written by someone else.
Exactly my point. Learn how to think for yourself.
I don't think that Hightor was pulling a Blatham. I think he merely saw something that he thought was interesting and was sharing it.
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:I think the 70 million Americans are eager to have a new, better leadership.
They will not like what's going to happen if that's what they hope for, because the Republicans are going to give Mr. Biden the same warm welcome that Mr. Trump was given.
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:Quote:Software glitches not affecting vote counts
Trump and many of his supporters complained over the weekend that "software glitches"
undermined the vote counts in Michigan and Georgia and argued that the problems
portended wider issues in other counties and states that used the same software.
But issues in the unofficial vote counts in Michigan's Antrim and Oakland counties were
caused by human error, not software glitches, according to reviews by the Michigan
Department of State, county clerks and election security experts. Officials concluded
that they were isolated cases that did not signal wider issues with vote counts elsewhere.
And in Georgia, software issues only affected how poll workers checked-in voters in
two counties and delayed the reporting of results in another. The issues did not affect
the counts.
"Anyone trying to falsely connect the situations in the two states is spreading
misinformation in an effort to undermine the integrity of our elections
system," said Tracy Wimmer, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of State.
(nyt)
I emailed my state representative and state senator asking for hearings to get to the bottom of the fraud.
@snood,
snood wrote:Builder, Oralloy, Coldjoint...
Please humor me here, because I feel like we must have covered this, but I just need to ask for clarity.
How is it that the same ballots that legally elected Senators illegally elected the president?
It seems like every time you ask one of these questions and I take the time to give you a thoughtful answer, all I get for my trouble is a childish insult.
@snood,
snood wrote:you creative liars
You are the only liar here. Shame on you for falsely accusing your betters of your own dishonesty.
@oralloy,
Most of the time your answers are not so much thoughtful as extremely biased opinion pretending to be fact, and you often respond with childish name-calling yourself. I see no insult in the post you answered.
@MontereyJack,
You cannot provide a single example of me ever pretending that opinion is fact.
I only engage in childish name-calling when I am responding in kind to childish name-calling.
I as well see no insult in the post that you refer to. But look at the subsequent post where he falsely accuses me and others of being liars.
@snood,
snood wrote:Esper stood up to Trump when he was trying to use the military more for domestic policing. Now Trump has fired Esper and is going to appoint someone who is another 100% loyal yes-man as Secretary of Defense.
Should this worry us?
You should be more worried about the possible appointment of independent prosecutors to hound the Biden Administration with endless criminal investigations.
@blatham,
blatham wrote:We can, I think, see several related things at work here. First, the Bannon/Trump strategy to "flood the zone with ****". That is, just toss as many lies, misrepresentation, counter-narratives, insinuations etc as they can come up with to confuse citizens, to invalidate reporting which they don't want prominent in the nation's consciousness and to 1) try and prevent any further consensus that Biden won the election while 2) building within their base a consensus that the election was stolen. Whatever motives these players might have, this flood the zone with **** strategy has utility, so they're all on board with it.
Sounds good to me.
blatham wrote:Another thing at work, obviously, is an attempt to sway the two George Senate runoff votes immediately up the road. Controlling the Senate is another goal that is shared by all these GOP players. It is also shared by figures further behind the scenes. For example, more than a year ago Jane Mayer reported that the Koch crowd was not putting any big money to support Trump - it was going to defend the Senate majority. Indeed, the entire top ranks of movement conservative players and institutions will be happy to have Trump gone so long as the Senate stays in GOP hands and the courts are not negatively (negatively for them) influenced. They do NOT want a situation where the half century of work to pack the courts is nullified. Barr and other movement conservative stalwarts with brains understand how close they've gotten to finally getting what they want - effective control of government by one party and one ideology with citizens effectively marginalized and corporate interests (in the company of agreeable religious zealots) ruling it all.
Appointing judges who uphold the law and the Constitution is not packing the courts.
Packing the courts is what
Democrats try to do.
blatham wrote:And we have to understand he is surely very concerned about what is going to happen to him legally and financially when he's lost the protections he has as President. So he'll do anything now to prevent such exposure. It might well be the case that everything he's doing right now (and has done over the last months when the possibility/probability of failure was facing him) is and has been to create so much chaos in the nation and in a transfer of power to Biden's team and in the civil service, etc, is to make him so much of a danger to civil society now and going forward that he will be able to blackmail the nation into forgoing any and all criminal and civil litigation against him. "With a few statements, I can encourage my base to rise up in something like a civil war unless you allow me and my family to walk away with no future legal threats. You know I can do this. I have armies out there. Even many police are on my side. It's your choice."
Really Blatham, don't try to think for yourself.
Your
"I think what they think" game would have merit if you didn't also try to use it to feign intellectualism.
