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vikorr
 
  4  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:22 am
@Builder,
Quote:
That's one muddied mind you're steering there. Good luck with that job.


I will take that as you saying:

- " I can't find anything wrong with wanting evidence before politically motivated accusations are investigated...so I'll muddy the waters" and

- "I can't quote you raising zionists first as I claimed, or even the balfour declaration first", so rather than apologising, I'll just muddy the waters"
hightor
 
  4  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:29 am
H.C.Richardson wrote:

And still, we wait.

Ballot counting in the 2020 presidential election continues, although it sure looks like Democratic candidate Joe Biden and his running mate Kamala Harris are going to win.

What has stood out today is the degree to which Trump and his team have governed by creating their own reality. Now that that image is being challenged, they are flailing.

Knowing he would lose the popular vote, Trump intended to win by arguing that Democrats had “stolen” his victory. Before the election, he talked about the dangers of mail-in ballots, setting up the idea that they would somehow be fraudulent, although there is no evidence of that. He expected—correctly, as it turned out—that mail-in ballots would be heavily Democratic while Republicans would vote in person on Election Day. That set up a scenario in which the election results on November 3 would give an advantage to him, but as the hours wore on and the mail-in ballots got counted, the Democrats would gain ground. So he talked repeatedly of ending the count on the night of November 3, although ballot counting has always taken days.

He planned to challenge the counting of the mail-in ballots in the courts, all the while telling his supporters that Democrats were stealing his victory. If he could gin up enough chaos, he could buy time to throw the results into doubt and, perhaps, get the Supreme Court to enter the fight. There, he hoped for victory with the help of the three justices who owed him their seats.

He planned to subvert the election, staying in power thanks to his extraordinary ability to control the narrative, making people believe things that are not true.

The only thing that could stymie that narrative was overwhelming turnout from Democrats. To make that impossible, Trump’s team arranged to keep voters from the polls in places like Florida, and Texas, and enlisted Postmaster General Louis DeJoy to delay the mails so ballots would not be delivered in time to be counted.

But, in the end, their plans could not completely suppress those Americans fed up with the Trump administration. As I write tonight, Biden and Harris are winning the popular vote by more than 4 million votes, and the numbers are rising. If it weren’t for our antiquated Electoral College system, this election would already be over, decisively.

Instead, we are still waiting on the outcomes in Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, and Alaska.

The unraveling of Trump’s plan to claim victory has been mesmerizing.

Until Tuesday night, everything seemed to be going according to plan. In the evening, Trump won Florida by about 375,000 votes, a victory certainly helped by the disfranchisement of 1.5 million ex-felons, whose voting rights Floridians had voted overwhelmingly in 2018 to restore. Florida’s 29 electoral votes made it look like Trump was on track to win, opening up room for him to declare victory even though many of the states he would need to win for real were still counting. If he could claim victory early on, any later correction would look like the election was being “stolen.”

But before he could take a victory lap, the Fox News Channel called Arizona for Biden long before anyone else did. Arizona had been a Trump state in 2016, so this meant a flip and undercut Trump’s claim to a commanding lead. Trump was furious. He and his aides worked Twitter and the phones, trying unsuccessfully to get FNC to retract the call and, when that failed, to discredit it.

As Trump fumed, the Biden campaign was watching its candidate's numbers tick upward—again, as expected—and Biden gave a short statement Tuesday night saying the campaign felt good about where it was, and encouraging patience as election officials counted all ballots.

Trump then made a statement at 2:30 am Wednesday morning, claiming victory, demanding that officials stop counting mail-in ballots, and promising to take the election to the Supreme Court to decide. “This is a fraud on the American public,” he said. “This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win the election.”

But key Republican leaders, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, noted that a number of Republican Senate candidates ran more strongly than Trump did, meaning they no longer need him. They have clearly decided that Trump is no longer useful to them, and they went before television cameras in the morning to contradict him. They said that all ballots should be counted.

Since then, the president has been flailing. His legal team has been filing lawsuits to challenge ballot counting, but the suits are frivolous and keep getting thrown out. They are designed not to win legal points, but rather to do what Trump has always done politically: create a narrative that makes his supporters believe something that is not true. So, for example, his team has sued to have Republican observers in ballot counting areas, only to have to admit to a judge that they already have observers there. They are not righting a wrong; they are trying to set Trump’s supporters up to believe a lie.

Remember when, during the impeachment hearings, the Republicans dramatically stormed a hearing to demand they have access… when, in fact, members of the committees already had access and had been attending? Then, as now, it is all about creating a narrative.

By Thursday, Trump’s surrogates were escalating their attacks on the election process. The usual suspects—the Trump children, Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, the White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, and so on—have tried to cast doubt on the election, insisting that election officials should not be counting mail-in ballots that were cast on or before November 3… except in Arizona.

Some were even more explicit about overturning our democratic process. Trump legal adviser Harmeet Dhillon told Lou Dobbs on the Fox News Channel: “We’re waiting for the United States Supreme Court- of which the president has nominated three justices- to step in and do something. And hopefully Amy Coney Barrett will come through.” Former White House chief strategist Steven Bannon went further, calling for Dr. Anthony Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray to be beheaded “as a warning to federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program or you are gone.” Twitter banned Bannon permanently.

Tonight, Trump addressed his sliding fortunes with a statement that will go down in the annals of the American presidency alongside Richard Nixon’s “I am not a crook” speech trying to regain control of the runaway Watergate story. In front of a wall of flags, speaking a low voice and tripping over his words at times, he rambled through a wild attack on the election, claiming it was being stolen from him. MSNBC cut away from his remarks almost immediately, noting they were lies; ABC News made it about five minutes. Fact-checker Daniel Dale tweeted: “I’ve read or watched all of Trump’s speeches since 2016. This is the most dishonest speech he’s ever given.”

It felt Shakespearean, like the desperate attempt of a man who has lost control of the narrative to try to claw it back, even as we all know it’s gone beyond all recovery. As CNN’s Anderson Cooper said, it was “sad and truly pathetic…. That is the most powerful person in the world, and we see him like an obese turtle on his back, flailing in the hot sun, realizing his time is over. But he just hasn’t accepted it, and he wants to take everybody down with him, including this country.”

In the wake of Trump’s statement, more Republican officials condemned his attack on democracy. Then, tonight, 19 former U.S. Attorneys, all of whom served under Republican presidents, released a statement condemning Trump’s “premature, baseless and reckless” attacks on the election process. “We hereby call upon the president to patiently and respectfully allow the lawful vote-counting process to continue, in accordance with applicable federal and state laws, and to avoid any further comments or other actions which can serve only to undermine our democracy,” they wrote. Perhaps more significant is the fact that Fox News Channel’s Bret Baier told his audience that “We have not seen the hard evidence” of the fraud Trump’s campaign claims.

Tonight, the Secret Service sent reinforcements to Wilmington, Delaware, to surround Biden in a protective bubble, in anticipation of what many expect to be a victory speech some time tomorrow.

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Builder
 
  0  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:29 am
@vikorr,
Colourful prose, mate. You're up for the walkley award for sure and certain.

Just need some interesting content, to go with your position.
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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:37 am
@Builder,
Quote:
Biden couldn't manage a greasy stick up a dead dog's arsehole.

Why would he want to do something like that? Why would anyone other than "Builder" even consider that as some sort of an accomplishment?

"Builder" must be running out of photo-shopped pictures of Hunter Biden, disinformation from Derkach and Giuliani, and pedophilia memes if that's all he can manage to come up with.
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Wilso
 
  4  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:43 am
Biden has taken the lead in Georgia. The fat lady is warming up, and Ivanka is planning her new life. I’m predicting that sham marriage ends 5 minutes after his presidency ends
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:45 am
@Wilso,
I doubt that. She'll want to be first lady again when Mr. Trump wins in 2024.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:46 am
@hightor,
H.C.Richardson wrote:
And still, we wait.

No kidding. A couple hours ago I finally closed all my browser tabs with pages keeping track of the election results. I got bored with popping over to them and seeing the same static result all the time.

When the results finally come in I'll find out about it when the evening news reports it or (more likely) when I see people talking about it on the internet.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 04:48 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
I will take that as you saying:
- " I can't find anything wrong with wanting evidence before politically motivated accusations are investigated...so I'll muddy the waters"

One thing wrong with it is fair play. The Democrats didn't need any evidence when they lynched Mr. Trump over their Russia nonsense. Why should anyone need any evidence before subjecting Mr. Biden to relentless criminal investigation?
vikorr
 
  2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 05:08 am
@oralloy,
Well I guess if you want to live by the rule that anyone can be investigated over any baseless claim...then that is something for you and your country to decide. If you don't want that, then don't accept it, excuse it, or promote it.
oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 05:15 am
@vikorr,
I'm not terribly fond of the idea of everybody doing it.

I'm even less fond of the notion of Democrats doing it with impunity while no one does it back to them.
vikorr
 
  2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 05:29 am
@oralloy,
It's a little like the old highland blood feuds - if everyone justifies their behaviour based on other peoples behaviours, then poor behaviour becomes, justified, accepted and eventually entrenched.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 05:34 am
@vikorr,
I see and understand the problem.

It's still not as bad as letting one group get away with bad behavior all the time while everyone else follows the rules.

It's a lesser of two evils thing. As bad as the problem is, the alternative is even worse.

If we ever outlaw the Democratic Party then behavioral standards will be able to improve. Until then the least-bad option will continue to be to keep giving the Democrats a taste of their own medicine.
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maporsche
 
  3  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 05:54 am
Donald Is truly a unique president. Never before in our history has there been a failed one-term impeached president.

Donald is truly one of a kind. A kind that a record number of Americans voted against, but one of a kind nonetheless.

I will be attending Joe Biden’s inauguration with a goal of making the crowd size dwarf Donald’s.
oristarA
 
  1  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 06:03 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:


Presently: Trump has 0.0% lead in Georgia. Both Trump and Biden are 49.4%.


OK now. Biden leads in Georgia with 2,449,580 votes (Trump 2,448,484). A razor-thin margin yet further securing Biden's win. Alas, we've exprected at the very beginning that there would be an overwhelming victory for Biden over Trump. Now the expectation is vanishing.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 06:06 am
@oristarA,
I never expected it.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 06:07 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
Donald Is truly a unique president. Never before in our history has there been a failed one-term impeached president.
Donald is truly one of a kind. A kind that a record number of Americans voted against, but one of a kind nonetheless.

Failure is a matter of opinion. I'm happy with the results of Mr. Trump's leadership.

An illegitimate impeachment is more an indictment of the impeachers than the impeached.

The vote counting isn't done yet, but presuming that you are correct about Mr. Biden winning, the American people should be able to sabotage his administration enough to make him end up as an impeached one term president too.

And then Mr. Trump can win in 2024, leaving Mr. Biden as the only impeached one-termer.


maporsche wrote:
I will be attending Joe Biden's inauguration with a goal of making the crowd size dwarf Donald's.

Since the media has a history of lying about the size of these crowds, any claims about comparative crowd sizes will be suspect.
farmerman
 
  6  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 06:09 am
@oristarA,
a win is a win. Remember, Trump's entire state by state margin in the rust belt was in the tenths of a percent. His strategy was to call elections "rigged" because he knew damn well that he was the major practitioner of the art of the steal.

I just wanna get rid of that lying felon and start the process of restoring our union and trying to bring the country back from the brink.

There should be fed laws to protect the nation from fasciist leaning kakistocrats like him .
engineer
 
  4  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 06:33 am
@farmerman,
It's interesting to read Republicans this elections. I think the narrative is Republicans held the Senate, gained seats in the House and repudiated Trump. Not by a lot, but Republicans everywhere did better than the President. No congressmen or senators are running out and echoing Trump's rhetoric right now. They are content to let him move on.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 06:41 am
@oralloy,
I meant a failed reelection bid, making him one of the few Presidents to not win two terms.

And there will be plenty of photos of the crowd sizes and assuming you still believe your own eyes, you and Donald will both know the truth.
eurocelticyankee
 
  4  
Fri 6 Nov, 2020 06:42 am
@farmerman,
Trump and his fake fraud allegations come as no surprise, we've had 4 years of lies and chaos so it was to be expected.
What is disappointing is even at this stage Republican representatives haven't got the spine or the decency to denounce him.

Another heart breaking disappointment is after 4 years in which he has been exposed as a liar, a coward and a moron 69 million+ Americans still voted for him.

I understand the anti establishment feeling, I really do I feel it myself so often.
But talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I mean if you wanted to pick an anti establishment figure to worship could you not have picked someone who's better than the establishment not worse.

I say worship as well now because it's not supporters he has it's worshipers.
Blind obedience with an almost religious zeal.

I just hope eventually that Trump Worshipers come to realise that this guy wouldn't piss on ye if you were on fire and his only motivation is self interest.

But if you can't see that after the last 4 years I worry for you and for America.

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