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@Builder,

Uh, my post was that thousands, or even millions of people saying a thing is so, does not make it so (or in this electoral matter - that there is any actual issue). Not sure what your wierd rant was trying to achieve.

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@vikorr,

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Not sure what your wierd rant was trying to achieve.

Weird is your department. Though not in your vocab, apparently.

Bringing the Jews into a conversation about US politics is very weird.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

coldjoint wrote:
Some asshole group in Europe
The USA is one of the founding members of the OSCE.

In mid-September, the OSCE (said "some asshole group") set up a commission of experts to investigate possible electoral fraud and human rights violations in Belarus.
The initiative came from 17 states, mainly the USA and France. (The report has now been published).

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@Wilso,

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It won’t fly in the US courts despite their screaming and fingers pointing at fake web links

Reminiscent of the extensive finger-pointing re the failed impeachment process.

If there's voter fraud, it will be detected. The courts have the time to consider all angles.

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@vikorr,

I just looked at your page...

You live in OZ.

How exactly are you an expert on America?

Please do tell.

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@Builder,

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Bringing the Jews into a conversation about US politics is very weird.

Actually, my comparison focused on the opinions of millions of Nazis who chose to make false allegations and persecute a minority people (making the point that just because a lot of people say something does not make it so - in this case the allegation that thousands of people saying something means there must be something to investigate in the electoral system of the US). Frankly - this point is obvious, and the only reasonable rebuttal is evidence to the contrary for Freedoms statement.

But you choose to focus on Jews (whos only part in my version was being the subject of the false persecution)...expanding your wierd rant to encompass the Balfour declaration and zionism - which has nothing at all to do with the point of my post.

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@vikorr,

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But you choose to focus on Jews

That's bullshit. You focused on the nazis, and brought the jews into the conversation. Godwin's law.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

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How exactly are you an expert on America?

Where did I claim I was an expert in US politics? My post centred on quite well known behaviours of Trump, well known stats, and generic comparisons to raise questions about your generic statement (that thousands of people are saying something - so it must be investigated)

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@vikorr,

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the point that just because a lot of people say something does not make it so

Even if that's true, what's wrong with investigating to prove that what they're saying is false?

That's what no leftists here have been able to explain.

If there are no shenanigans going on, why not let an investigation and possibly a court(s) prove that?

Why not be transparent with what's going on at these vote counting centers?

If there's no wrong doing, wouldn't it be satisfying to throw that in the Trump supporter's faces?

...if there truly is no foul play occurring.

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@Builder,

Yep - I focused on millions of Nazis holding an opinion did not mean they were right...you focused on the subject of their opinions, bringing in the balfour declaration, and zionism. This can't be disputed. It is what you did.

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@vikorr,

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Where did I claim I was an expert in US politics?

I guess I just find it interesting that so many foreigners think they know better than Americans about America.

I wonder what would happen if I went around talking like that to people in countries I don't live in.

I'm sure I wouldn't be called "racist" or some other permutation of that.

Of course not...

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@Builder,

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You focused on the nazis, and brought the jews into the conversation. Godwin's law.

Exactly, and I'm glad you said it.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

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I wonder what would happen if I went around talking like that to people in countries I don't live in.

Most people in other countries wouldn't overly care. Extreme alliance with a political party isn't particularly common in Australia (or England, or New Zealand as far as I know). Most people I know are rather cynical about politicians.

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@FreedomEyeLove,

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Even if that's true, what's wrong with investigating to prove that what they're saying is false?

You're leaving out your claim that 'you would do this unless you have something to hide'...

...you don't have to have anything to hide to disagree with your opinion that thousands of people saying something means it must be investigated.

...I did say "This is to point ut that 'thousands saying X' doesn't "in itself mean much at all"

Ie. if there were something else (that amounts to sufficient evidence) to go with politically motivated claims - then that is when something should be investigated.

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@vikorr,

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if there were something else (that amounts to sufficient evidence) to go with politically motivated claims - then that is when something should be investigated.

Thank you.

There certainly appears to be. So the leftists shouldn't have any problem with a thorough investigation and possible lawsuit(s).

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@vikorr,

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Yep - I focused on millions of Nazis holding an opinion did not mean they were right..

But again failed to equate your rant with our current situation of polarised Americans in a US election.

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.you focused on the subject of their opinions,

Nope. Your post did that. Nice strawman, but not worthy of comment.

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bringing in the balfour declaration, and zionism.

Which, historically speaking, is accurate, unlike your feeble attempt to attenuate the two disparate situations.

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This can't be disputed. It is what you did.

Run that by us again. Your post introduced the zionist nazi element to the conversation, and now you're attempting to fob that off on me? GFYS. CS.

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@Builder,

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But again failed to equate your rant with our current situation of polarised Americans in a US election.

Yep. I failed to do that because I wasn't doing that. I was equating the meaningless opinions of millions of nazis with the equally meaningless opinions of thousands of politically motivated accusations - in the specific context of Freedoms claim 'you would agree to an investigation unless you have something to hide'. And as explained to Freedom later - who also didn't properly read my post - the trigger point for investigation is evidence, not opinion.

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Which, historically speaking, is accurate,

Yep, and had nothing to do with my comparison.

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Nope. Your post did that

Nope, my post focused on the opinions of Nazis (which coincidentally related to Jews) and how they were wrong. You can't quote one iota where I do otherwise.

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Your post introduced the zionist nazi element to the conversation

Nope. Never mentioned zionists (except to point out that you did).

Frankly you seem to have no idea what I was talking about. Your objections seem continuously based in your own paranoia.

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I just want all the Trump supporters to remember.

Joe Biden will be YOUR President. This will be true regardless if you like it or not. He’s your President, and to not support him, I’ve heard (also from you) would be unAmerican.

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@vikorr,

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I was equating the meaningless opinions of millions of nazis with the equally meaningless opinions of thousands of politically motivated accusations

That's one muddied mind you're steering there. Good luck with that job.

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@maporsche,

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Joe Biden will be YOUR President.

Caps lock is so intimidating, right?

Biden couldn't manage a greasy stick up a dead dog's arsehole.

He's a pawn. Your garden variety disposable item.

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