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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 07:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Utterly false.

Wrong. Look at the way the Democrats said that Bill Clinton's crime spree was no big deal.

Democrats always say that they are above the law.
MontereyJack
 
  0  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 08:00 pm
@oralloy,
being abve the law is trump's
line. His and bill barr's. Literally. the public isn't buying it.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 08:08 pm
Quote:
Only a moron or liar could believe Hunter Biden emails are fake | Buck Sexton


That says it all.

https://www.thefirsttv.com/only-a-moron-or-liar-could-believe-hunter-biden-emails-are-fake-buck-sexton/
MontereyJack
 
  0  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 08:11 pm
@coldjoint,
GIGO
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 08:22 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
being above the law is trump's line.

It's the Democrats who said that Bill Clinton's crime spree was no big deal.
MontereyJack
 
  0  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 08:23 pm
@oralloy,
no such crime spree
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 08:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
Wrong again. There is solid proof that Bill Clinton committed:

a) multiple counts of perjury both in civil court and before a grand jury (various lies under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky),

b) obstruction of justice (sending Betty Currie out to hide the gifts that he had given to Monica Lewinsky from investigators), and

c) witness tampering (trying to coach Betty Currie as to how she should testify in court).
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Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 10:05 pm
@snood,
Quote:
The accusations are bullshit. And everyone knows it.


Then your opinion does not match the narrative in the press; those who aren't actively trying to cover it up, or gloss it over.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 10:18 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
The accusations are bullshit. And everyone knows it.


Then your opinion does not match the narrative in the press; those who aren't actively trying to cover it up, or gloss it over.

It doesn't match what the FBI says either.
Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 10:21 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
It doesn't match what the FBI says either.


It's easy to tell when the Biden cheer squad here is in panic mode; they start to bang on about anything other than Biden.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 10:25 pm
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BillW
 
  1  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 10:55 pm
Unfortunately, this makes too much sense. He would go down as a serial crime wave though. Maybe with the deal, he would have to agree to move to Russia with all his spawn?

"
If Trump loses, he'll take this deal
Opinion by Joe Lockhart


(CNN)President Trump has repeatedly refused to commit to leave office peacefully if he loses the election. Instead he rails about voter fraud and a rigged election. His untruths and obstinacy are by now an old story, but they remain both dangerous to our democracy and maybe to our lives if the President continues on this path.

Many law enforcement and homeland security experts have raised the alarm about possible violence after a contested election. Nothing in the President's words or behavior suggests that he will be a calming force or will leave the White House without a fight, either in the courthouse or the streets. We all know, after four years of this, that it's a pretty good bet he will make a bad situation worse.

I share many of these worries. But I'm not expecting the worst. Not because Trump will have an attack of conscience -- I don't think he has a conscience. And not because he will put the country ahead of his own personal interests -- that fantasy is no longer even debatable.

I simply assume, as you should, that if he loses next month, the President will put his own interests ahead of the country's, as he always does. And that may actually guarantee a peaceful transition of power.
Donald J. Trump has a powerful survival instinct.

Recent news reports have exposed what a terrible businessman he is, over many decades. His presidency has been an international calamity, alienating our allies and empowering dictators and other enemies.
America is stumbling through the worst pandemic in 100 years, with an economy that is teetering on the brink.

At the center of these tragedies is our President, a member of the survival Hall of Fame. He has survived multiple bankruptcies of his companies, massive legal judgments and a business instinct that can best be described as "How to lose money without even trying."

But somehow, every time, after every colossal failure, he has always been able to repackage himself and sell the next version of Donald Trump to the public. Real estate developer. Casino mogul. Reality TV star. President of the United States.

This pattern has been noted by the President's biographer Michael D'Antonio, who says that Trump in times of peril has always found a way to protect the thing he values most -- his self-image. "It's not success as others see it, or achievement as others define it," D'Antonio told me recently. "What matters to him is the story he can tell himself, or sell to himself, in order to feel like he prevailed. That instinct is one of many that allows him second, third and fourth chances at escape and reinvention."

And it's those very instincts that may lead a defeated Trump to just leave town.

Trump is good at recognizing the personal risks he faces and staying one step ahead of his personal demise. That skill seems likely to kick in right about now, because Trump has a lot to be really worried about.

First, even if he pardons himself for all federal crimes, the state of New York and the district attorney of Manhattan are reportedly well along in investigations into his business practices. And since pardoning himself is not yet a tested constitutional right, the Department of Justice could drop a legal anvil on his head next year on multiple issues including obstruction of justice, tax fraud and defrauding the Treasury through payments to the Trump Organization.

The second worry is purely financial. He owes hundreds of millions of dollars, according to The New York Times. He will need some flexibility from his creditors and a new business venture to make that money quickly Paid speeches will help, but won't generate a billion dollars.

Here's where the survival instinct will kick in. What can Trump give prosecutors, creditors and potential investors to allow him to live his life freely and build the kind of media empire he so craves?

What he can give them is -- wait for it -- a peaceful transition of power. Freedom for peace.

To avoid violence in the streets, prosecutors of all stripes may decide it is in their -- and the country's -- interest to cut a deal. Trump may agree to go quietly to save his own skin. There is the basis of the win-win.

And the same goes for creditors and investors. There is not a bank in the world whose shareholders would allow any renegotiation of credit terms with a man who's promoting violence on the American streets and creating international instability in the capital markets. No one is going to bankroll the Trump media network if our cities are burning and Trump is lighting the match.

So, all sides in theory will have incentive to make a deal. As much as it might pain our new president, peace may be better for the country than revenge. The same goes for politicians of both parties and every institution involved with Trump.

In the end, the one thing that has severely damaged this country from Day One -- Trump's utter devotion to himself -- may serve all of us in the end. We know he only cares about himself and will believe whatever he tells himself. That form of narcissism may just be the disease that allows all of us, especially our democracy, to survive this grave threat.
"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/opinions/if-trump-loses-lockhart/index.html
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 20 Oct, 2020 11:54 pm
Trump's Chinese bank account - still obtained and set up "to explore the potential for hotel deals in Asia", according to a Trump spokesman - has paid out $188,561 in local taxes.
He paid $750 in US federal taxes in 2016 and 2017, when he became president.
Builder
 
  -3  
Wed 21 Oct, 2020 12:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm convinced that if the IRS could nail Trump on tax evasion, it would have happened already, Walter.

Remember that he's donating his presidential salary to charity, and likely has his business dealings sorted before entering the office of POTUS.
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Builder
 
  -2  
Wed 21 Oct, 2020 01:32 am
@BillW,
Quote:
Unfortunately, this makes too much sense.


Except for the part about Trump losing.

Quote:
Many law enforcement and homeland security experts have raised the alarm about possible violence after a contested election.


The nation has been under attack because he won the election, BillW.

That's unlikely to change, unless Soros and co run out of money to fund Antifa and BLM.

Quote:
I simply assume, as you should....


Strawman much?

Quote:
America is stumbling through the worst pandemic in 100 years, with an economy that is teetering on the brink.


More people die daily of CVD than Covid 19, but apparently that's no problem. The economy was going gangbusters, before the bogus pandemic.

Quote:
Recent news reports have exposed what a terrible businessman he is


Who's news reports? He could have retired, with his supermodel wife, and enjoyed his latter years, but chose to sort out your fucked up country for you. Show some appreciation.



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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 21 Oct, 2020 02:14 am
@snood,
I’m not being pedantic at all. You point you were trying to make was lost because you chose a skewed data sample from a time where people resented being blamed for everything.

I bet if you asked the German people today the answer would be very different, and it’s so much later on that your frog would have boiled dry and started a fire.

snood
 
  1  
Wed 21 Oct, 2020 02:33 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I’m not being pedantic at all. You point you were trying to make was lost because you chose a skewed data sample from a time where people resented being blamed for everything.

I bet if you asked the German people today the answer would be very different, and it’s so much later on that your frog would have boiled dry and started a fire.




Sure you are - you do it all the time. You understand the point I was making, but you choose to overlook it and focus on the fact that I used a flawed analogy to make the point.
The destruction the Nazis caused happened in a certain chronological order, and I got that wrong. It is still the case - and still my central point - that a nation of people can get progressively more numb under a regime that is continually doing harmful things. To the point that they normalize things that would otherwise be cause for outrage.

It’s totally understandable that you don’t acknowledge or comment on my central point. To do so might take away from all the fun of being a punctilious pain in the ass. Carry on.
Builder
 
  -1  
Wed 21 Oct, 2020 03:00 am
@snood,
Quote:
You understand the point I was making, but you choose to overlook it and focus on the fact that I used a flawed analogy to make the point.


Pot, kettle, black? This describes you exactly.

That's if you bother backing up your claims.

It's why I ignore most of your posts here.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 21 Oct, 2020 03:03 am
@snood,
I’m not doing that at all, you concluded that the German people really must be awful because of how a sample of them answered a question about Hitler’s greatest crime.

They answered it in the 1950s. Imagine if as a child you had seen your mother and sister raped and murdered by Soviet soldiers. And you’d spent the next few years of your life scraping a living on the streets or living in an East German orphanage.

How would you answer the question about Hitler’s greatest crime?

The analogy of the frog in the saucepan is very wrong. It’s more a frog thrown into a pan of boiling water and then the pan being removed from the source of heat.
snood
 
  1  
Wed 21 Oct, 2020 03:09 am
@izzythepush,
The clouds above may kiss the sky
The bird may kiss the butterfly
The rain may fall and kiss the grass
And you, dear friend
May kiss my ass
 

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