@lmur,
Can you or your silent upvoter/s explain how Muslims melted/vaporized WTCs 1, 2 & 7 structural steel? All usa news sources describing the molten steel. But it doesn't raise any red flags among the terminally brainwashed.
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http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091201moltenmetal
Quote:September 12, 2001-February 2002: Witnesses See Molten Metal in the Remains at Ground Zero
A chunk of hot metal being removed from the North Tower rubble about eight weeks after 9/11. [Source: Frank Silecchia]
In the weeks and months after 9/11, numerous individuals report seeing molten metal in the remains of the World Trade Center:
* Ken Holden, who is involved with the organizing of demolition, excavation, and debris removal operations at Ground Zero, will later tell the 9/11 Commission, “Underground, it was still so hot that molten metal dripped down the sides of the wall from [WTC] Building 6.” [9/11 COMMISSION, 4/1/2003]
* William Langewiesche, the only journalist to have unrestricted access to Ground Zero during the cleanup operation, will describe, “n the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.” [LANGEWIESCHE, 2002, PP. 32]
* Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. [SEAU NEWS, 10/2001 pdf file]
* Alison Geyh, who heads a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reports: “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.” [JOHNS HOPKINS PUBLIC HEALTH MAGAZINE, 2001]
* Ron Burger, a public health advisor who arrives at Ground Zero on September 12, says that “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminds him of a volcano. [NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION, 9/2003, PP. 40 pdf file]
* Paramedic Lee Turner arrives at the World Trade Center site on September 12 as a member of a federal urban search and rescue squad. While at Ground Zero, he goes “down crumpled stairwells to the subway, five levels below ground.” There, he reportedly sees, “in the darkness a distant, pinkish glow—molten metal dripping from a beam.” [US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT, 9/12/2002]
* According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6: “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.” [NATIONAL GUARD MAGAZINE, 12/2001]
* New York firefighters will recall “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” [NEW YORK POST, 3/3/2004]
* As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.” [KNIGHT RIDDER, 5/29/2002]
Steven E. Jones, a physics professor from Utah, will claim this molten metal is “direct evidence for the use of high-temperature explosives, such as thermite,” used to deliberately bring down the WTC towers. [MSNBC, 11/16/2005] He will say that without explosives, a falling building would have “insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal.” [DESERET MORNING NEWS, 11/10/2005]
There will be no mention whatsoever of the molten metal in the official reports by FEMA, NIST, or the 9/11 Commission. [FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, 5/1/2002; 9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004; NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, 9/2005]
@unable2know,
Wrong. There was no such melted steel.
@unable2know,
unable2know wrote:being that very person Walter described.
Wrong again. You never get anything right. I am NOT a progressive.
@unable2know,
unable2know wrote:What kind of a person would not want to consider that their governments murdered some 6 or 7000 of their own citizens?
You've presented no facts and no evidence to justify any such conclusion.
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
McGentrix wrote:Well, Trump destroyed Biden in debate #1. Was expected, but good to see.
I only tuned in for the analysts after the debate. The analysts said that both acted like kindergartners and neither scored any points on the other.
I watched the whole thing and Trump beat him up pretty bad.
@oralloy,
Again you lie, bald faced. I only said you were a bald faced liar which you have proven multiple times.
@unable2know,
Wrong. Walter described progressives. I am NOT a progressive.
@unable2know,
unable2know wrote:The FEMA sample is the very piece of molten/vaporized WTC7 structural steel that the NYTs talked about.
No such molten steel. No such vaporized steel. Save your fairy tails for the gullible.
@oralloy,
Quote:oralloy: There was no such melted steel.
Leslie Robertson says you are a liar. Right in the post right above yours.
Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, describes fires still burning and
molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks. [SEAU NEWS, 10/2001 pdf file]
@unable2know,
unable2know wrote:Where is that much vaunted ability to rationally discuss the facts/evidence, McGentrix?
Where is yours? I mean really. <shakes head>
@McGentrix,
Quote:I watched the whole thing and Trump beat him up pretty bad.
Soft target, though. Still can't believe they thought creepy Joe was a valid choice.
I guess if the plan was a continuation of the crimes of the Obama admin, he'd be a shoo-in, and know all the players to contact again.
@oralloy,
Quote:Wrong. There was no such melted steel.
New York firefighters will recall “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.” [NEW YORK POST, 3/3/2004]
oralloy calls NY firefighters liars and all the brainwashed sit silent. Such cowardly behavior from the "land of the brave"!!
@unable2know,
unable2know wrote:Leslie Robertson says you are a liar.
I doubt that. But he might say that you are a deranged nutcase.
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
oralloy wrote:
McGentrix wrote:Well, Trump destroyed Biden in debate #1. Was expected, but good to see.
I only tuned in for the analysts after the debate. The analysts said that both acted like kindergartners and neither scored any points on the other.
I watched the whole thing and Trump beat him up pretty bad.
Donald Trump, ever the elegant Statesman. I was particularly fascinated by Trumps message to the Proud Boy,: ok, stand down but stand by. That's a big shot in the arm to white supremacy.
@unable2know,
unable2know wrote:oralloy calls NY firefighters liars
No. I'm calling YOU a liar.
I've not offered any opinion on NY firefighters.
@oralloy,
Leslie Robertson's quote also says you are a bald faced liar, as do the NYTs, FEMA, the RJLee Group, the USGS, Professors Barnett, Biederman, Sissons, ... .
@oralloy,
Take it to the appropriate thread.
This one is not about your conversation at all.
@unable2know,
unable2know wrote:In this too, you illustrate your aforementioned/frequent stunning ignorance.
Ah, no. Pointing out facts does not demonstrate ignorance.
The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump
by Bandy Lee, M. D.
©2017
prologue:
P. 7
An important and relevant question that the public has been asking is this: is the man simply crazy, or is he crazy like a fox? Is he mentally compromised or simply vile? When he lies, does he know he is lying, or does he believe his own lies? When he makes wild accusations, is he truly paranoid, or is he consciously and cunningly trying to deflect attention from his misdeeds?
We believe that we can help answer these questions by emphasizing that the two propositions are not mutually exclusive. A man can be both evil and mentally compromised-- which is a more frightening proposition. Power not only corrupts but also magnifies existing psychopathologies, even as it creates new ones. Fostered by the flattery of underlings and the chants of crowds, a political leader's grandiosity may morph into grotesque delusions of grandeur. Sociopathic traits may be amplified as the leader discovers that he can violate the norms of civil society and even commit crimes with impunity. And the leader who rules through fear, lies, and betrayal may become increasingly isolated and paranoid, as the loyalty of even his closest confidence must forever be suspect.
