monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

I think both you and justaguy2 raise good points. I'd love to see Trump face justice. But not for political crimes. He's much less likely to be made into a martyr if he gets charged with common ordinary crimes — tax evasion, corporate fraud, money laundering — these sorts of crimes don't play that well with many of the people who form his base of support. Once he doesn't have Barr's "Justice" Department running interference for him, the investigators looking into his potentially criminal behavior will be much more likely to have access to evidence and, if warranted, secure an indictment.

I'm thinking "English Max" might make a great nickname for him.

I agree. Political crimes are always at least a portion of baloney.

Sexual assault, embezzlement, tax dodging etc are crimes when anyone of any stripe or walk of life commit them

Apparently the thought that your posts deserve every thumb down you get has never crossed your mind. Let it cross.

Haha — this guy cracks me up. Hey, CJ, tell us that one about the Bakersfield doctors again!

Had time to consider better my answer:

Here's the problem: somewhere along the way he removed many people’s ability to be appalled. We have become numbed.

Just because we have become immune to his behavior doesn’t mean it should be treated as if it is one side of a two-sided coin. Just because he lies so cavalierly doesn’t mean he should be allowed to get away with it. Just because his oh-so-unsubtle race-baiting is part and parcel of his presidency doesn’t mean we should just let All Lives Matter chants pass by the wayside. Just because we have become bored by our takes and have run out of new and clever angles for analyzing our malign president doesn’t mean we should say nothing at all.

What you describe is an all things being equal situation where the debate is Democratic Party (Federal policy) vs GOP (states rights). This is not where we are at. I am a Republican and I honestly do know if Trump even understands Republican principals.

Take healthcare. Its not a Democrat vs Republican issue. Its a liberal vs conservative issue. If there is a national will for health care reform, how the reform is carried out will be different between Democrats and Republicans.

There is a will for reform: the argument is how. Frankly, President Obama's ACA is Republican sort of plan: the "industry" pretty much stays the same and everyone uses insurance (giving us something the insurance companies have wanted for years: 100% enrollment which they claimed by itself would lower premiums paid by the government for the poor, and those paid by the rest of us). And it makes sense: more people using services generally lowers prices.

Personally even as a Republican, I prefer my more Democratic, Federal health care. The VA. One of the largest, most successful "socialistic" healthcare systems in the world.

A third-way movement has its place. Unfortunately with Trump in office, this election has no place for the luxury of "third-way" politics.

All the president’s grotesqueries matter.

So you're saying there was no racism in the US before trump?
You're saying there was no KKK in the US before trump?
You're saying that there were no beatings and lynchings of African-Americans in the US before trump?
You're saying there were no massacres in the US before trump?
No police shootings of African-Americans in the US before trump?

And that's therefore all "bunkum" is it? Hardly. Wake up.

Well, until your country is willing to face up to the fact it has far deeper problems that breed people just like trump, it's never going to solve anything. And as I've said before here, just electing another clown isn't going to change jack ****.

Does Australia have people shooting people at protests for one thing? The answer is no, we don't. In fact, I cannot think of a single country apart from your country that has the massacres your country does, just for one thing. We've not had one since 1996, that's over 20 years ago now. The last one that happened in the US I could find was in 2019.

And I'm not even close to the same as you. Unlike you, I don't deny the truth. So get real bobsal u1553115, get real, wake up.

Well, quite honestly, if that's all you've taken from what I said, you may as well just vote for trump and send your country even further into hell.

Or instead, perhaps just try and understand why I said what I said. Rather than just looking at the words, understand the message behind those words instead. Only you can do that, and you're the one that has to live there, not me.

He’s Australian and he’s no friend of Max. He has said that I was right about Max and has been accused by Max of being my sock puppet.

I get on very well with him, but I’m not American and I can see how some Americans could be upset by what he has said.

I have never ever said any of that.

Trump, however is the first President since Wilson to pander to racist voters.

Either your reading comprehension has failed you or you are
attempting to troll me.

You do notice: you're using all those same exact tactics you accuse the left and right of, don't you? Like putting words into other people's mouths?

Are you claiming that racists have not been emboldened by this, YOUR President?

I bow to your superior knowledge of Australia. However, we are talking about the US and more specifically the US under Trump.

In your post I was replying to, you explicitly said "Bunkum of the first order. You're the same as the rest of us. Third-way antics are still antics.". That is exactly what you said. After you falsely accused me of "talking to max", after I explicitly made the point that your country's problems did not start with trump, and he is a symptom of the far deeper problems your country has, that anyone with half a brain can see. That was the very point I was making. To which you respond with:



https://able2know.org/topic/355218-4747#post-7057812

So it looks like your reading comprehension has failed you, and/or anyone who disagrees with you is "trying to troll you" in your mind.

I suggest you take the time to properly read and understand what I've said before making such silly statements.

And where in that new bunkum have you shown where I ever said any of that crap you posted?

You do exactly what you accuse us of. I said it and I stand by it.

Your reading comprehension failed you yet again.

Frankly we've chewed this long enough. You win, take the last word and have a victory lap.

Perhaps try clicking the link I posted above that directly links to the post where you said that.

You asked.

another #SuperSpreader event...

Trump defies Nevada directive as thousands gather for indoor rally

Thousands of Trump supporters, the vast majority of them forgoing face masks, packed inside
a manufacturing plant on Sunday night in a Las Vegas suburb, where Trump brashly ignored a
state directive limiting indoor gatherings to under 50 people.

There were no signs of any attempts at social distancing inside the venue. Attendees wearing
MAGA caps sat in white folding chairs crammed together on the floor of the Xtreme Manufact-
uring plant, which said on its website that it had “restricted meetings and gatherings to no
more than 10 people in large areas...”

Send all those people to their rooms for a time out. Maybe burning a few more cities down and a few more murders will stop this abhorrent behavior. What do you think?

Where is Mr. Accountability, Snood?

I will. What have the lock downs done but destroy small business? 90% of the people that died from the virus were over 70 years old. And your media censored those doctors because we all know big tech are really qualified physicians.

That number is up about a thousand now. And please no more chicken and egg argument about it.

When all is said and done in this pandemic, it will probably be determined that the most dangerous pre-existing condition of the covid19 era was identified by Kristin Urquizaz...that of "trusting Donald Trump."

Getting more difficult for me to feel sorry for them.