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Debra Law
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:11 pm
Contemporary events: An increasing number of refugees who were accepted into the US are now crossing the border and seeking asylum in Canada.

Emerson, Manitoba Saw 21 People Illegally Crossing Border From U.S. This Weekend: RCMP

Quote:
RCMP Sgt. Harold Pfleiderer said in an email there has been an increase in illegal migration in Quebec, Manitoba, and British Columbia, with the largest increase being seen in Quebec, although he said police weren't able to provide specific numbers.

The increase follows planned new restrictions in the United States on refugees.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm prone not to trust Trump.


FOX NEWS ALERT!!!!

CI NOT PRONE TO TRUST TRUMP.

Fox sources tell us that the usually apolitical CI who has been steadfastly giving the new president the benefit of the doubt, may have moved to the other side of the dial and now is not prone to trust Trump.

This has to be a major setback for the Trump Administration because when you lose CI...
old europe
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:13 pm
@blatham,
For reference, here is what the President and the Vice President said just on Friday:

Quote:
Trump says he's unaware of reports Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador

President Donald Trump said Friday afternoon he was unaware of reports that his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, may have spoken about sanctions with the Russian ambassador before the inauguration.

Trump, speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, said he will "look into that."

[...]

Earlier Friday, a senior White House adviser told CNN that Vice President Mike Pence did not know that Flynn may have discussed sanctions in the December conversation and believes "it's a problem."

Three administration officials said Pence only knew what Flynn told him -- that he had not talked about sanctions -- before Pence stood before cameras last month and vouched for Flynn. One official said Pence was trying to "get to the bottom of it," and two senior administration officials said Pence was "very intentional" in asking Flynn about his communication with the Russians before speaking to the media.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:15 pm
@old europe,
And your reference supports what I wrote.

Flynn lied to Pence

Flynn had to go

Flynn resigned.

Are you suggesting there is something more nefarious here?
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camlok
 
  1  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Or, another, possibly more informed, take on the issue.

===========

Journalist Carl Bernstein said Sunday that former President Richard Nixon's lies are nothing "compared to what we have seen from Donald Trump."

"Trump lives and thrives in a fact-free environment. No president, including Richard Nixon, has been so ignorant of fact and disdains fact in the way that this president-elect does," Bernstein said.

"Everything that he controverts, he doesn't go to a fact-based argument. He goes to an emotional argument," Bernstein continued, as part of a CNN panel. "What we have seen throughout the campaign is pathological disdain for the truth — you know, a kind of lying, an ease with lying, that we have not seen before."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/carl-bernstein-nixons-lies-nothing-compared-to-trumps/article/2609391
old europe
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Somehow in this sequence there is evidence that Trump is the worst person on earth, because it didn't happen instantaneously from the second Flynn talked to a Russian. Rolling Eyes


Oh, poor President Trump, always getting blamed for monumental **** ups in his administration. How unfair!

The White House Counsel was informed weeks ago that Flynn was lying. He either passed on that information (and Trump knew that Flynn was lying while publicly stating that he had no idea that Flynn was lying), or the White House Counsel failed in his duty to pass on that information (and Trump was truly clueless about Flynn conducting his own private foreign policy behind the backs of the incoming Trump administration, and subsequently lying about it).
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Oh I got a thumbs down!

Confirmation that CI read it
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:19 pm
@old europe,
"Weeks ago"

How long has he been president?

You've revealed yourself as an irrational Trump Hater.

Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:21 pm
@camlok,
Carl Bernstein is a journalistic God and so regardless of his political bias we need to take whatever he says as gospel!
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:22 pm
@old europe,
Yes. Thank you.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:25 pm
More quality facts from the quality fact extrusion machine
Quote:
Fox Hosts Claim Media Is Unfairly Paying More Attention To Trump’s Flynn Scandal Than They Did To Benghazi
Gutfeld: "If I Hear 'What Did He Know, And When Did He Know It?' One More Time, I'm Going To Throw Up Because No One Ever Said That About Obama And Benghazi"
Media Matters
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old europe
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:27 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
"Weeks ago"


Yes.

Weeks before Trump publicly stated that he had no clue that Flynn had been lying.

You understand why that is a problem, don't you?
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:30 pm
Chaffetz in his recurring role as the unstoppable and highly principled Inspector Javert Congressional watchdog/detective par excellence is going to dig way, way down into the bowels of the Mar a Lago matter. Who knows what this truth-hero will find?
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camlok
 
  1  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:30 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Somehow in this sequence there is evidence that Trump is the worst person on earth, because it didn't happen instantaneously from the second Flynn talked to a Russian.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's simply the Pinocchio effect.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:30 pm
@old europe,
I assume that you hold all of the polticos you agree with to such assiduous timelines and conditions.
camlok
 
  1  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
No, I only put Bernstein forward because of his long career as a journalist, a man who knew Nixon well and he sees what most rational, thinking people see in Trump, not to put too fine a point on it, a compulsive, dyed in the wool liar.

Do you feel that you possess the same qualifications as Bernstein? Do you feel that you provide a more balanced view?

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old europe
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:40 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Oh gosh, you're right.

What's a few weeks when we're only talking about a violation of the Logan Act by the President's own National Security Advisor? And what could anyone lead to believe that the White House Counsel should inform the President of the United States in a timely manner about such an issue? And if he was informed, why would anyone possibly expect the President of the United States to not blatantly lie to the public about having received that information?

All of those things are just impossibly high standards. No White House administration should be held accountable for minor issues like that.

Seriously.

Thanks for pointing that out.
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:44 pm
@old europe,
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters," (least of all that Finn dude who's amazing, believe me)
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:46 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
It depends on congress.
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old europe
 
  3  
Tue 14 Feb, 2017 05:53 pm
Quote:
Justice Department warned White House that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, officials say

The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.

The message, delivered by Sally Q. Yates and a senior career national security official to the White House counsel, was prompted by concerns that ­Flynn, when asked about his calls and texts with the ­Russian diplomat, had told Vice ­President-elect Mike Pence and others that he had not discussed the Obama administration sanctions on Russia for its interference in the 2016 election, the officials said. It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the ­information.

Flynn resigned Monday night in the wake of revelations about his contacts with the Russian ambassador.

In the waning days of the Obama administration, James R. Clapper Jr., who was the director of national intelligence, and John Brennan, the CIA director at the time, shared Yates’s concerns and concurred with her recommendation to inform the Trump White House. They feared that “Flynn had put himself in a compromising position” and thought that Pence had a right to know that he had been misled, according to one of the officials, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

A senior Trump administration official said before Flynn’s resignation that the White House was aware of the matter, adding that “we’ve been working on this for weeks.”

[...]


Acting Attorney General Sally Q. Yates informed the White House. Of course, all of this happened before Trump fired Yates on January 30th for refusing to defend his executive order closing the nation’s borders.
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