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farmerman
 
  2  
Wed 15 Jul, 2020 07:38 pm
@snood,
Anybody listten to that news conference yesterday? The man is a car wreck.
snood
 
  2  
Wed 15 Jul, 2020 07:49 pm
@farmerman,
It’s scary. And some of these folks don’t even have the self respect to be embarrassed by that broken person babbling in the rose garden.
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goldberg
 
  1  
Wed 15 Jul, 2020 08:47 pm
@coldjoint,
Cancel culture has been embraced by Trump as well. That's why he slapped sanctions on Chinese goods and Huawei's kit. Moreover, Trump has done his utmost to please white evangelicals and non-college voters.

No one is innocent in politics.

goldberg
 
  0  
Wed 15 Jul, 2020 08:54 pm
@goldberg,
Here is an article from The Economist. It features objectivity in journalism.
I surmise that the author just felt compelled to take a stand after hearing that Bari Weiss had decided to leave the New York Times.

From The Economist

"How objectivity in journalism became a matter of opinion
In America, political and commercial strains have led to questions about its value and meaning

HAVE YOU heard the news? It’s about the news. As correspondents covered the widespread protests on the streets of America in recent months, many were engaged in a parallel protest of their own—against their employers. On private Slack channels, public Twitter feeds and in op-ed columns, journalists revolted. Editors apologised, promised change and in some cases were sacked, their downfall promptly written up in their own papers.

The immediate cause of this rebellion is race: how it is reported and how it is represented among staff. More than 150 Wall Street Journal employees signed a letter saying that they “find the way we cover race to be problematic”. Over 500 at the Washington Post endorsed demands for “combating racism and discrimination” at the paper. Journalists at the New York Times tweeted that a senator’s op-ed advocating a show of military force to restore order “puts black @nytimes staff in danger”.

But at the heart of many of these arguments is another disagreement, about the nature and purpose of journalism. As a Bloomberg employee is said to have remarked at a recent meeting, reporters are meant to be objective, but to many the distinction between right and wrong now seems obvious. A new generation of journalists is questioning whether, in a hyper-partisan, digital world, objectivity is even desirable. “American view-from-nowhere, ‘objectivity’-obsessed, both-sides journalism is a failed experiment,” tweeted Wesley Lowery, a Pulitzer-winning 30-year-old now at CBS News. The dean of Columbia Journalism School described objectivity as an “inherited shibboleth” in a message to students. The Columbia Journalism Review pondered: “What comes after we get rid of objectivity in journalism?”

Objectivity hasn’t always been a journalistic ideal. Early American newspapers read a bit like today’s blogs, says Tom Rosenstiel of the American Press Institute (API), an industry group. Benjamin Franklin’s Pennsylvania Gazette and Alexander Hamilton’s Gazette of the United States were unashamedly partisan. As they sought wider audiences in the 19th century, newspapers became more concerned with what they called “realism”. Some of this was provided by the Associated Press (AP), founded in 1846, which supplied stories to papers of diverse political leanings and so stuck to the facts. As the news pages became more even-handed, publishers established editorial pages, on which they could continue to back their favoured politicians.

Hot takes and alternative facts
Only in the 1920s did objectivity truly gain currency. “A Test of the News”, by Walter Lippmann and Charles Merz, found that the New York Times’ coverage of the Russian revolution was rife with what today might be called unconscious bias. “In the large, the news about Russia is a case of seeing not what was, but what men wished to see,” they wrote. At the same time, as communism advanced, Joseph Pulitzer’s view of the centrality of journalism to democracy—“Our Republic and its press will rise or fall together”—gained adherents. These lofty aims overlapped with commercial ones. Advertisers wanted less partisan coverage to sit alongside their messages.

And so objectivity became journalism’s new lodestar. As Lippmann put it, the journalist should “remain clear and free of his irrational, his unexamined, his unacknowledged prejudgments in observing, understanding and presenting the news.”

A century later, four trends have put this principle under strain. (The Economist, a British publication, has grappled with most of them.) One is Donald Trump’s rise and the challenges it has posed to traditional reporting. Some of his statements can be accurately described as lies, or as racist. But such words are so seldom used of sitting presidents—except by partisans—that writers and editors have reached for euphemisms. After Mr Trump told four non-white congresswomen to “go back” to the “crime-infested places from which they came”, the Wall Street Journal called his words “racially charged”; the Times plumped for “racially infused”.

The Trump era has also exposed problems with journalistic notions of balance. Giving equal weight to both sides of an argument is an easy shortcut to appearing objective. Yet this “bothsidesism” has sometimes come to seem misleading. At an impeachment hearing in December, “the lawmakers from the two parties could not even agree on a basic set of facts in front of them,” reported the Times. Which facts were real? Readers were left to guess.

A second cause of doubts about objectivity is the changing make-up of the American newsroom. Amid more diverse recruitment, the share of the Times’ editorial staff who are white is falling; the proportion who are women is rising. Not only has this sharpened sensitivity to odd phrases like “racially infused”; it has also made some wonder if the “objective” viewpoint is in fact a white, male one. The “view from nowhere” is just the view of “a white guy who doesn’t even exist”, Dan Froomkin, an outspoken media critic, has argued.

Concerns like these might in the past have remained on the shop floor. But a third factor—the rise of social media—has given dissenters a megaphone. It has also highlighted the contrast between the detached style journalists are meant to adopt in print and the personal approach many employ online—something bosses seem unsure whether to encourage or deter. Readers, for their part, are bathed on the web in highly partisan content that whets their appetite for more opinionated news. The division between news and comment, clear on paper in American journalism, dissolves on the internet. A study for the API in 2018 found that 75% of Americans could easily tell news from opinion in their favoured outlet, but only 43% could on Twitter or Facebook.

Keeping up appearances
The final reason for the turn against objectivity is commercial. The shift away from partisanship a century ago was driven partly by advertisers. Today, as ad revenues leak away to search engines and social networks, newspapers have come to rely more on paying readers. Unlike advertisers, readers love opinion. Moreover, digital publication means American papers no longer compete regionally, but nationally. “The local business model was predicated on dominating coverage of a certain place; the national business model is about securing the loyalties of a certain kind of person,” wrote Ezra Klein of Vox. Left-leaning New Yorkers may switch to the Washington Post if the Times upsets them. The incentive to keep readers happy—and the penalty for failing—are greater than ever.

These pressures are changing the way newspapers report. Last year AP’s style book declared: “Do not use racially charged or similar terms as euphemisms for racist or racism when the latter terms are truly applicable.” Some organisations have embraced, even emblazoned taboo words: “A Fascist Trump Rally In Greenville” ran a headline last year in the Huffington Post. Others are inserting more value judgments into their copy. A front-page news piece in the Times this month began: President Trump used the spotlight of the Fourth of July weekend to sow division during a national crisis, denying his failings in containing the worsening coronavirus pandemic while delivering a harsh diatribe against what he branded the “new far-left fascism”.

Disenchanted with objectivity, some journalists have alighted on a new ideal: “moral clarity”. The phrase, initially popularised on the right, has been adopted by those who want newspapers to make clearer calls on matters such as racism. Mr Lowery repeatedly used the phrase in a recent Times op-ed, in which he called for the industry “to abandon the appearance of objectivity as the aspirational journalistic standard, and for reporters instead to focus on being fair and telling the truth, as best as one can, based on the given context and available facts.” The editor of the Times, Dean Baquet, called Mr Lowery’s column “terrific” in an interview with the “Longform” podcast. Objectivity has been “turned into a cartoon”, he said. Better to aim for values such as fairness, independence and empathy.

Back in the 1920s, Lippmann might have agreed with much of this. He saw objectivity not as a magical state of mind or a view from nowhere, but as a practical process. Journalism should aim for “a common intellectual method and a common area of valid fact”, he wrote. That does not mean using euphemisms in place of plain language, or parroting both sides of an argument without testing them. Indeed, when journalism has erred in recent years, it has often done so by misinterpreting objectivity, rather than upholding it. The most persuasive calls for moral clarity today articulate something close to Lippmann’s original conception of objectivity.

The danger is that advocates of moral clarity slide self-righteously towards crude subjectivity. This week Bari Weiss, a Times editor, resigned, criticising what she said was the new consensus at the paper: “that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.” Earlier Mr Rosenstiel warned, in a largely supportive response to Mr Lowery’s column, that “if journalists replace a flawed understanding of objectivity by taking refuge in subjectivity and think their opinions have more moral integrity than genuine inquiry, journalism will be lost.”

As reporters learn more about a subject, he adds, the truth tends to become less clear, not more so. Recognising and embracing the uncertainty means being humble—but not timid."

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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 15 Jul, 2020 10:02 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
How was dropping nuclear devices on Hiroshima And Nagasaki not giving anyone Hell?

Well, we did make a point of directing our A-bomb attacks at military targets. It's not like we went and targeted a bunch of civilians.

I suppose I agree with you that it was Hell for the military targets however.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 15 Jul, 2020 10:03 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Truman claims never to have given people Hell.
Truman is the only person ever to have used nuclear weapons in anger.
Nuclear devastation is Hell.

"I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them, and they think it's Hell."

I believe Mr. Truman was referring to verbal commentary and was not even thinking about warfare and weapons use.
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Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 05:23 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Y’know what else is nuts, FA? The sheer volume of batshit non-sequitur things the traitor-in -chief spouts that is allowed to just go out, unchallenged, on the air.

It seems to me someone would just face this pampered, addled criminal and rebuff him. Call him out to his face. What are they so afraid of?


I just cannot understand it, Snood.

People like John McCain would be all over this turd of a president. Barry Goldwater would have made speeches on the floor of the Senate castigating him. Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, Everett Dirkson would all have held him in contempt.

These pathetic present-day cowards who allow this clueless, classless, ignorant man to dishonor our nation, its institutions and its ideals should forever hang their heads in shame.

I expect when Trump is finally thrown off his perch, they will pretend they had secretly worked to undermine him, but they are the trash of American politics and always will be.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 10:40 am
@Frank Apisa,

Quote:
People like John McCain

People like McCain is why we are in the mess we are now.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 10:53 am
https://c3.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/05-Driver-Biden-LI-600a.jpg
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:14 am
@coldjoint,
Biden is up fifteen points on trump. Kinda indicates he's a pretty good driver, and branco is as full of **** as ever.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:18 am
@oralloy,
Kinda hell for the several hundred thousand CICILIANS killed by the bombings too.
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
In other words, they really are the deplorables. But not irredeemable. I think a lot of ideas which are wrong have just been upheld by certain groups. Not all of them are racist but they enable the racists who are behind the the ideas in the first place by accepting the racist excuses. Look how this piece of material for safety has turned out to be so political. It starts from Trump because it is a visual sign that America is not doing great so he can't go around saying America is doing great. But someone turned that basic idea from Trump into a "I have a right not to wear a mask" argument. Why don't people say, "I have a right not to wear a seat belt" while they are at it? Because it has not pushed by Trump insecure simple mind. It is like a lot of folks have been brainwashed by Trump's helpers.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:25 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Biden is up fifteen points on trump.

In rigged polls that mean nothing. The Left controls the media. They make it seem there are more people that believe their garbage than not. That just is not true.
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revelette1
 
  5  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:27 am
AP FACT CHECK: Trump's empty assurance on controlling virus

Quote:
TRUMP ON BIDEN

TRUMP: “Biden was asked questions at his so-called Press Conference yesterday where he read the answers from a teleprompter. That means he was given the questions.” — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: Biden did not read answers off a teleprompter. Nor did The Associated Press, which asked the first question at the briefing, submit questions in advance.

Biden used a teleprompter to read prepared remarks that took aim at Trump’s handling of the coronavirus, before the questions and answers started, at which point the teleprompter appeared to have been turned off.

Biden's campaign gave him a list of news organizations to call on and he answered questions from reporters on that list as well as some he chose spontaneously. That’s not an uncommon practice when officials give news conferences.

Video footage shows that during nearly 30 minutes of questions and answers, Biden often looked directly at the reporter, not at the teleprompter. His answers were at times long-winded, without the practiced pauses typically heard in prepared speeches.

Biden campaign national press secretary TJ Ducklo called Trump’s allegation “laughable, ludicrous and a lie.”

Trump’s accusation reflected his tactic of trying to stir doubts about Biden’s mental acuity.

___

TRUMP: “He wants to defund and abolish police.” — interview Wednesday on “America This Week.”

THE FACTS: Biden does not join the call of protesters who demanded “defund the police” after George Floyd’s killing.

“I don’t support defunding the police,“ Biden said last month in a CBS interview. But he said he would support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether “they meet certain basic standards of decency, honorableness and, in fact, are able to demonstrate they can protect the community, everybody in the community.”

Biden’s criminal justice agenda, released long before he became the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee, proposes more federal money for “training that is needed to avert tragic, unjustifiable deaths” and hiring more officers to ensure that departments are racially and ethnically reflective of the populations they serve.

Specifically, he calls for a $300 million infusion into existing federal community policing grant programs.

That adds up to more money for police, not defunding law enforcement.

Biden also wants the federal government to spend more on education, social services and struggling areas of cities and rural America, to address root causes of crime.


Lot of other fact checks on the issues of the past months.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:36 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Lot of other fact checks on the issues of the past months.

Are they all the AP fact checking themselves? What a bunch of crap. Laughing Laughing Laughing
revelette1
 
  3  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:53 am
@coldjoint,
All the relevant information is searchable on the internet, you can fact check it yourself to find any incorrect facts. But I know you won't. It's not part of your poster style.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:56 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

In other words, they really are the deplorables. But not irredeemable. I think a lot of ideas which are wrong have just been upheld by certain groups. Not all of them are racist but they enable the racists who are behind the the ideas in the first place by accepting the racist excuses. Look how this piece of material for safety has turned out to be so political. It starts from Trump because it is a visual sign that America is not doing great so he can't go around saying America is doing great. But someone turned that basic idea from Trump into a "I have a right not to wear a mask" argument. Why don't people say, "I have a right not to wear a seat belt" while they are at it? Because it has not pushed by Trump insecure simple mind. It is like a lot of folks have been brainwashed by Trump's helpers.



Yup.

In fact, why not, "STOP signs and red lights are limiting my freedom. No government should be allowed to tell me how to drive...when I must stop...how fast I can go through school zones."

They are nuts!
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revelette1
 
  3  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 11:56 am
Driver hits 63-year-old man with his car after he asked him to wear a mask in a store: police

A Rhode Island driver is being accused of hitting a 63-year-old man with his car after the man had confronted him about not wearing a face mask into a local convenience store.

Local news station WJAR 10 reports that 63-year-old William Beauchene got into an argument this week with a 30-year-old man named Ralph Buontempo, who had gone into the convenience store in the town of Lincoln, Rhode Island without wearing a mask.

Witnesses told police that the two men began yelling obscenities at one another, and that at one point Buontempo slapped a cup of coffee out of Beauchene’s hand, which then splashed all over the store manager who had come outside to try to deescalate the confrontation.

Parking lot security camera footage reviewed by police also showed that Buontempo got into his car and “accelerated in reverse” and hit Beauchene while he was standing in the vicinity.

Buontempo was subsequently charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/driver-hits-63-year-old-man-with-his-car-after-he-asked-him-to-wear-a-mask-in-a-store-police/?utm_source=push_notifications

Trump's Great America.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 12:07 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:

Trump's Great America.

Some old man telling someone what to do without the authority to do it has nothing to do with Trump's America. You should respect someones decision. It is also under the stores control. If they did not require a mask the guy should have kept his mouth shut.
revelette1
 
  5  
Thu 16 Jul, 2020 12:41 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Some old man telling someone what to do without the authority to do it has nothing to do with Trump's America. You should respect someones decision. It is also under the stores control. If they did not require a mask the guy should have kept his mouth shut.


Therefore, hit him with your car? This is Trump's America. He has created this ugly dangerous America by his rotten dirty ugly example and non-leadership.

 

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