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hightor
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2020 02:50 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
People have the right to defend themselves when black people try to murder them.

Do people also have this right when people who aren't black try to murder them? Do black people have this right if white people try to murder them?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 03:11 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Do people also have this right when people who aren't black try to murder them?

Of course.

There are no BLM-like racist groups arguing that anyone else should have the right to murder, so it doesn't come up in discussion very often.

But yes. People have the right to protect themselves no matter who is trying to harm them.


hightor wrote:
Do black people have this right if white people try to murder them?

Yes.

But note that self defense isn't murder.
hightor
 
  4  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:05 am
@oralloy,
So, speaking hypothetically of course, a black person who is being threatened by a racist police officer with a firearm would have the right to kill that cop in self defense?
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:07 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
But note that self defense isn't murder.
It's a "non-criminal homicide".
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:09 am
@lmur,
lmur wrote:

Wonder why Barr was so anxious to get rid of Geoffrey Berman? These events cannot possibly be related, no?


We ought to build a prison and name it Spandau. If possible, it should be ready for occupancy by late January of 2021.

Might as well conclude this fiasco of an administration in like manner to what inspired it.
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:16 am
@Frank Apisa,
Interestingly, Barr's father, Donald Barr, the headmaster of the prestigious Dalton School in New York City, launched Epstein, hiring the 20-year-old math whiz and college dropout Epstein to teach high school calculus and physics.
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hightor
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:29 am
The Neoliberal Looting of America

The private equity industry, which has led to more than 1.3 million job losses in the last decade, reveals the truth about free markets.

Quote:
“It’s hard to separate what’s good for the United States and what’s good for Bank of America,” said its former chief executive, Ken Lewis, in 2009. That was hardly true at the time, but the current crisis has revealed that the health of the finance industry and stock market are completely disconnected from the actual financial health of the American people. As inequality, unemployment and evictions climb, the Dow Jones surges right alongside them — one line compounding suffering, the other compounding returns for investors.

One reason is that an ideological coup quietly transformed our society over the last 50 years, raising the fortunes of the financial economy — and its agents like private equity firms — at the expense of the real economy experienced by most Americans.

The roots of this intellectual takeover can be traced to a backlash against socialism in Cold War Europe. Austrian School economist Friedrich A. Hayek was perhaps the most influential leader of that movement, decrying governments who chased “the mirage of social justice.” Only free markets can allocate resources fairly and reward individuals based on what they deserve, reasoned Hayek. The ideology — known as neoliberalism — was especially potent because it disguised itself as a neutral statement of economics rather than just another theory. Only unfettered markets, the theory argued, could ensure justice and freedom because only the profit motive could dispassionately pick winners and losers based on their contribution to the economy.

Neoliberalism leapt from economics departments into American politics in the 1960s, where it fused with conservative anti-communist ideas and then quickly spread throughout universities, law schools, legislatures and courts. By the 1980s, neoliberalism was triumphant in policy, leading to tax cuts, deregulation and privatization of public functions including schools, pensions and infrastructure. The governing logic held that corporations could do just about everything better than the government could. The result, as President Ronald Reagan said, was to unleash “the magic of the marketplace.”

The magic of the market did in fact turn everything into gold — for wealthy investors. Neoliberalism led to deregulation in every sector, a winner-take-all, debt-fueled market and a growing cultural acceptance of purely profit-driven corporate managers. These conditions were a perfect breeding ground for the private equity industry, then known as “leveraged buyout” firms. Such firms took advantage of the new market for high-yield debt (better known as junk bonds) to buy and break up American conglomerates, capturing unprecedented wealth in fewer hands. The private equity industry embodies the neoliberal movement’s values, while exposing its inherent logic.

Private equity firms use money provided by institutional investors like pension funds and university endowments to take over and restructure companies or industries. Private equity touches practically every sector, from housing to health care to retail. In pursuit of maximum returns, such firms have squeezed businesses for every last drop of profit, cutting jobs, pensions and salaries where possible. The debt-laden buyouts privatize gains when they work, and socialize losses when they don’t, driving previously healthy firms to bankruptcy and leaving many others permanently hobbled. The list of private equity’s victims has grown even longer in the past year, adding J.Crew, Toys ‘R’ Us, Hertz and more.

In the last decade, private equity management has led to approximately 1.3 million job losses due to retail bankruptcies and liquidation. Beyond the companies directly controlled by private equity, the threat of being the next takeover target has most likely led other companies to pre-emptively cut wages and jobs to avoid being the weakest prey. Amid the outbreak of street protests in June, a satirical headline in The Onion put it best: “Protesters Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First.” Yet the private equity takeover is not technically looting because it has been made perfectly legal, and even encouraged, by policymakers.

nyt/baradaran
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oralloy
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2020 04:31 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
So, speaking hypothetically of course, a black person who is being threatened by a racist police officer with a firearm would have the right to kill that cop in self defense?

I presume that you mean the police officer is criminally threatening a peaceful black person.

In that case, yes. The peaceful black person absolutely has the right to defend themselves.

You may recall from earlier posts that my family history includes a similar occurrence (minus the skin color of course).

The debraining of the sheriff is still a matter of considerable family pride, as well as occasional whining by the country that it occurred in.
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 05:01 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
You may recall from earlier posts that my family history includes a similar occurrence...

Yes, I do remember that story and I was ready to bring it up if I thought your answer was disingenuous!
Quote:
(minus the skin color of course)

Of course.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 05:11 am
@hightor,
There is another element that makes the situations similar.

I don't want to tell too many details of the incident because I don't want the progressives here to be able to learn my identity so they can lynch me with false accusations of racism. I have no intention of becoming the next white person to have his life destroyed by progressives.

However, a term very similar to "redneck" was used to refer to my great uncle, in much the same tone that a racist might use the N-word, shortly before the Sheriff opened fire.
snood
 
  2  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 07:14 am
@oralloy,
Was it “cracker”? Honky? Peckerwood? Ofay? Whitey?

Can you tell us the first letter?
hightor
 
  3  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 07:22 am
@snood,
I'm guessing "white trash".
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 07:45 am
None of the above. It has more to do with being poor and rural and (as far as I know) does not address skin color.

I'd say it, but I strongly suspect that progressives would then be throwing the word in my face all the time.
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 09:03 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
I'd say it, but I strongly suspect that progressives would then be throwing the word in my face all the time.

I don't think it would spread beyond the small circle of people on this site.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 09:05 am
@oralloy,
Hick-a-billy?
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revelette1
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 10:13 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Did you get a copy of draft dodger John (Yosemite Sam's) Bolton's book?



Yes, to my regret. I only wanted to read about he had to say concerning the "drug deal." I am having to wade through a lot of partisan views and how everybody was doing everything wrong except him. It could be forgiven if it was at least interesting. It's boring. Like I said, skipping chapters and only reading until my eyes start to shut. Don't take long.

I had this thought that I "could see into the mind of a former signature of the "Progress of the New American Century." But it's only about his time in the WH like it says. Kind of a boring bathroom gossip kind of thing. I am finally up to Ukraine before I put it down last.

I'll give you a quote that sort of sums up his motivation in joining the Trump white house. It's on the third page.

"My goal was not to get a membership card but to get a driver's license."

I think he thought he could do like Cheney did with W. Bush and carry on the goals of the Project of the New American Century." He found out with Trump you can't make him do what he don't want to do.
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MontereyJack
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2020 10:16 am
@oralloy,
it takes a particular sort of lunacy to thnk black psople are trying to murder them.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 3 Jul, 2020 10:24 am
http://www.magnin-a.com/cspdocs/artwork/images/omar_victor_diop_magnin_a_4788.jpg
Trayvon Martin, 2012, by Omar Victor Diop

(this photo is an homage to Trayvon Martin, 17 year old, who was killed while walking back from a drugstore where he had bought a can of ice tea and a pack of M&Ms -- hence the background)
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 3 Jul, 2020 10:30 am
@Olivier5,
Where is the Robitussin?
 

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