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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 06:12 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

Trump's campaign rally falls flat, empty seats, no crowds outside.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/21/politics/trump-campaign-trail-coronavirus/index.html


It was fiasco from start to finish.

The monologue (no need to pretend it was a speech) was horrible. Only fellow morons saw anything funny about it.

The guy is a loser...an incompetent, ignorant, stupid, classless loser.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 06:34 am
Turnout At Trump’s Tulsa Rally Was Just Under 6,200–A Fraction Of The Venue’s 19,200 Capacity
Andrew Solender

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/21/turnout-at-trumps-tulsa-rally-was-just-under-6200a-fraction-of-the-venues-19200-capacity/#71fb4bd21fed

While President Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma on Saturday was pitched as an over-subscribed event, with Trump campaign staffers touting ticket registrations over a million, the final turnout came to a fraction of the venue’s overall capacity, confirming reports of low turnout that dogged what was meant to be Trump’s triumphant return to the campaign trail.
Donald Trump Holds Campaign Rally In Tulsa


The Trump campaign set expectations high for the rally, announcing that they had received more than a million ticket requests, despite the venue, the BOK Center, seating just 19,200.

Anticipating high turnout that would exceed that capacity, the campaign planned a second, outdoor speech to address the crowd in the overflow section.

But those hopes quickly evaporated on the evening of the rally, with reporters tweeting photos of the rally showing huge swaths of empty seats in the stadium.

The campaign ended up cancelling the second speech to the overflow section, with Communications Director Tim Murtaugh blaming the low turnout on the media and protesters, who he claimed blocked access to the entrance despite reports that nobody was turned away from the rally.

Andrew Little, the Public Information Officer for the Tulsa Fire Department, confirmed to Forbes on Sunday that a tally taken by the fire marshal clocked the turnout at just under 6,200 people, far fewer attendees than the campaign expected.
Big Number

59%. A Fox News poll released Friday found that 59% of Americans said crowded campaign events are a bad idea, given the risks posed by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. The poll also found that Republicans sharply diverge with Trump on the issue of mask wearing, with 70% saying they have a favorable view of them despite Trump consistently eschewing masks at public appearances.
Tangent

One probable reason for the inflated ticket registration figure was a concerted effort by teenagers on the social media app TikTok to reserve seats at the rally in an effort to create empty seats. Numerous TikTokers posted videos encouraging their followers to register for tickets to deny spots from supporters of the president. They in turn recruited ‘Kpop stans,’ fans of Korean pop music, a massive and active community on social media, to do the same. While it is unlikely this effort denied people any seats, as the rally was first come first serve, it may have accounted for a substantial chunk of the ticket registrations.

While the rally failed to meet expectations, the apparent lack of masks and the tightly packed crowds could potentially result in a surge of coronavirus cases in the region. Cases in Tulsa were already on the rise, with the county reporting its largest case increase ever on the day of the rally.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 06:37 am
@glitterbag,
He's an inspiration to us all .... to vote for Joe Biden.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 06:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
He never heard about over riding vetoes or "the President proposes and Congress disposes."
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 07:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Trump's Berman-SDNY disaster suggests William Barr is not so smart after all
Quote:
[...]
This weekend, Barr was caught in a massive lie. On Friday, he told the world in writing that Berman would be resigning. Berman had promised no such thing. Think of a seven-year old getting busted for raiding the cake batter.

Then on Saturday, Barr claimed Trump had fired Berman. Perhaps yes, maybe not. Whatever.

On his way to Tulsa, the president punted on whether he ordered Berman’s dismissal. The delegator-in-chief told the cameras that was a matter left for Barr. In the end, Berman resigned after Strauss’s selection was assured.

This was far from Barr’s first battle with the truth or the law. ... ... ...
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 07:01 am
Trump after landing back at the WH after Tulsa:

It's 10:00AM and still no tweets!!!!!

https://i.imgur.com/MphUFyd.jpg

Looks like he's had his first drink. Greeted by no one. Not a wife, a child (grown or younger), a grandchild, not anyone! No Pence, no Barr, no Pompeo, not even a skeezy porn actress. My, how the mighty have fallen.

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snood
 
  2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 07:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

The guy is a loser...an incompetent, ignorant, stupid, classless loser.


So... you’re saying you DON’T like this guy?
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 07:11 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

The guy is a loser...an incompetent, ignorant, stupid, classless loser.


So... you’re saying you DON’T like this guy?


Laughing
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 07:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
Trump could run out of campaign songs: after stars like Rihanna or Ozzy Osbourne, the family of the late Tom Petty has issued a statement objecting to Donald Trump’s use of the song “I Won’t Back Down” in his campaign.

Trump played the hit 1989 song at his rally in Tulsa on Saturday night (20 June), but Petty’s estate has claimed he was not authorised to use it.

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/TNdfCOl.jpg

via twitter
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 08:45 am
Richmond’s Confederate Monuments Were Used to Sell a Segregated Neighborhood

Real-estate developers used the statues on Monument Avenue to draw white buyers to a neighborhood where houses could not be sold “to any person of African descent.”

June 11, 2020
Kevin M. Levin
Historian and educator based in Boston

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/its-not-just-the-monuments/612940/

On May 29, 1890, roughly 150,000 people gathered for the dedication of the Robert E. Lee monument in Richmond. It was an opportunity to celebrate a man who many believed embodied the virtues of the old South, the “Christian Warrior” who bravely fought to the bitter end for the Confederacy’s Lost Cause. The Richmond industrialist and former Confederate staff officer Archer Anderson predicted that the monument would continue to teach “generations yet unborn,” and that it would “stand as the embodiment of a brave and virtuous people’s ideal leader!”

It was also an opportunity to showcase a new real-estate development that included wide boulevards and Monument Avenue itself—a divided boulevard, 140 feet wide, featuring parallel rows of trees along its center and another row lining the housefronts. The neighborhood was developed exclusively for white residents. Eventually, the avenue would feature monuments to Lee, “Stonewall” Jackson, and J. E. B. Stuart; to Confederate President Jefferson Davis; and to the Confederate official Matthew Fontaine Maury.

The Confederate monuments dedicated throughout the South from 1880 to 1930 were never intended to be passive commemorations of a dead past; rather, they helped do the work of justifying segregation and relegating African Americans to second-class status. Monument Avenue was unique in this regard. While most monuments were added to public spaces such as courthouse squares, parks, and intersections, Monument Avenue was conceived as part of the initial plans for the development of the city’s West End neighborhood—a neighborhood that explicitly barred black Richmonders.

By the turn of the 20th century, civic leaders in Richmond and elsewhere embraced the economic vision of a “new South” led, according to the historian Reiko Hillyer, by a “rising class of businessmen and industrialists who owed their growing economic power to alliances with northern business interests” and who “sought to promote an era of national reconciliation and a climate favorable to business and industrial expansion.” These men—bank presidents, manufacturers, lawyers, and real-estate developers—purchased lots and built impressive homes along Monument Avenue.

Throughout the development of the neighborhood, real-estate companies used the monuments to entice buyers. In 1913, the Greater Richmond Realty Company took out an ad in the Richmond Times-Dispatch that included an illustration of the proposed Jackson monument under the headline: “Stuart, Lee, Davis, Have Already Been Honored. No Longer Neglect Jackson.” The depiction of the intersection along with a tree-lined field in the background made it easier for potential buyers to envision their home overlooking the Confederate general. The ad implied that Jackson would not be fully honored until all the lots were claimed and occupied.

Real-estate companies also reassured potential buyers through restrictive covenants that “no lots can ever be sold or rented in MONUMENT AVENUE PARK to any person of African descent.” This was a reassuring message for white Richmonders during a time of unrest and uncertainty. Business and civic leaders worried about labor activism among the city’s black tobacco workers and elsewhere during this period of industrial expansion. Many still recalled with horror the brief but consequential period from 1879 to 1883, in which a biracial party known as the Readjusters controlled the wheels of government throughout the city and state. Large numbers of black Virginians voted, attended public schools, and were elected to local and state positions, all under the leadership of the former Confederate general William Mahone.

Black leaders remained politically engaged, even after the Readjusters were forced from office. In response to the dedication of the Lee monument, the Richmond Planet editor John Mitchell Jr. asserted: “The South may revere the memory of its chieftains. It takes the wrong steps in so doing, and proceeds to go too far in every similar celebration. It serves to retard its progress in the country and forges heavier chains with which to be bound.” Those chains were at work in the dedication and in the development of a new and modern neighborhood that bound black Richmonders to underdeveloped neighborhoods, such as Jackson Ward, that lacked sewer lines, water mains, regular garbage collection, and paved streets.

In addition to private restrictive covenants that ensured only white families would reside in the shadows of Lee, Jackson, Stuart, Maury, and Davis, the city of Richmond passed a number of discriminatory ordinances, including one in 1911 that restricted African American residents to those city blocks in which they already constituted a majority. In 1929, the city passed another ordinance that, relying on Virginia’s newly adopted “racial-integrity law,” prohibited a person from living in a neighborhood where he or she was prevented from marrying any member of the majority population.

These restrictions all but guaranteed that most of the neighborhood around Monument Avenue would remain exclusively white for decades, and it also brought into sharp focus the racial and political inequities for black Richmonders. “I cannot go on Monument Ave.,” Robert Leon Bacon wrote to the governor of Virginia in 1955, “and visit a white girl for fear of being ‘lynched’ or beaten up or arrested or electrocuted.” Bacon called for “colored people to rise up and demand our rights and first class privileges, as citizens should always have.”

Black Richmonders slowly won those rights in the following decades. The city council began to more accurately reflect Richmond’s racial diversity, Virginia elected its first black governor in 1989, and then came the first serious attempt to alter Monument Avenue, in 1996, with the dedication of the Arthur Ashe monument. One local newspaper columnist, Michael Paul Williams, wrote in anticipation of the dedication that the monument to the tennis icon and philanthropist would “fit quite nicely” alongside Lee, Davis, Jackson, Maury, and Stuart, but he also cautioned that the “two warring viewpoints are difficult to reconcile, even after more than a century.” He was right.

The additions of new monuments to the city’s commemorative landscape, including a slavery reconciliation memorial, a statue honoring teacher and businesswoman Maggie L. Walker in downtown Richmond, and the recent dedication of Kehinde Wiley’s Rumors of War statue, just blocks from Monument Avenue, have not defused a belief shared by many that these Confederate monuments still symbolize and reinforce long-standing and deeply embedded racial and political inequities.

The recent decision by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam and Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney to remove Monument Avenue’s Confederate monuments offers an opportunity to reshape these public spaces into something that reflects the collective values of all its residents and a place where all Richmonders feel welcome.

In the days following the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police, demonstrators tagged the statues lining Monument Avenue with various messages that underscore their connection to the long history of racial and economic inequality in this country.

The Lee monument, in particular, has become a gathering spot for local activists, many of them African American, who have found creative ways to reclaim and appropriate the site to further their cause. In fact, it is not a stretch to imagine that more black Richmonders have set foot on Lee Circle over the past two weeks than in the past 130 years combined.

Young African American activists now speak passionately on a range of issues from the monument’s base to the crowd, while others register people to vote, all under the watchful gaze of a man who was willing to give his life to a cause that sought to prevent this very outcome. Two 14-year-old ballerinas transformed the monument into a stage, and even an impromptu graduation ceremony was held. At night, the image of Floyd, along with the messages “Black Lives Matter” and “No Justice, No Peace,” is projected onto the Lee monument.

And on Wednesday night, activists toppled the statue of Jefferson Davis. The old order is crumbling.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 12:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Trump could run out of campaign songs:

He could. It won't stop him from being re-elected.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 12:24 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
The old order is crumbling.

The new order are fascists and intolerant assholes.
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revelette1
 
  6  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 12:24 pm
Trump’s Tulsa rally: He says he wanted to 'slow the testing down' on COVID-19 and other takeaways

My ATT bill is always just too high, I think I will tell the PO to stop sending me their bills.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 12:35 pm
Quote:
Black Lives Matter founder admits org's creators are 'trained Marxists,' BLM's goal is to 'get Trump out'

So they are Communists and this is not about race. Anyone feel used? You should.
Quote:
"We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts," the site states.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/black-lives-matter-founder-marxist-trump
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 12:50 pm
Quote:
Black Lives Matter – What It Really Is

This is not a movement focused on equal justice and reform within the existing system. This is a radical, Marxist group, which is waging war on what it characterizes as “white supremacy, imperialism, capitalism and patriarchy.” Black Lives Matter seeks nothing less than the complete and total destruction of this nation as we know it and its replacement with a socialist nation characterized by mass indoctrination and radical ideology.

But, here’s the really scary part. It’s working. At its core, Black Lives Matter counts on the fact that large portions of the population, many businesses, and even more politicians will be afraid to oppose them for fear of being labeled as racist. And, they’re right.

All over America, wealthy financiers donate to the cause. Corporations scramble to outdo themselves in groveling and begging forgiveness for perceived wrongs. Mayors, Governors, and members of the U.S. Congress join in, eager to mouth the words “Black Lives Matter” and be perceived as “woke” and on the right side of history.

Every single pillar on which this nation has been built – political, economic, and social is under attack. In the place of the most successful nation-state the world has ever seen, radical leftists are pushing for the creation of a mad, dysfunctional Marxist monstrosity. And right now, as we sit paralyzed and tongue-tied, the Marxists are winning.

Why do people want to destroy this country? It is clear that is the goal.
http://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/06/20/the-marxists-are-winning-what-black-lives-matter-really-wants/
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 01:00 pm
@coldjoint,
RACIST CONSPIRACY SHITHEADS--JUST ANOTHER OF JOINT'S NUTBALL POSTS

AND THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY AGREES WITH THEM. TRUMP SHOULD BE OUT OF OFFICE. AND AS THE POLLS ARE SHOWING, THAT'S JUST WHAT THE COUNTRY IS LIKELY TO DO ON NOVEMBER THIRD.
hightor
 
  5  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 01:01 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:

So they are Communists and this is not about race.
The two aren't mutually exclusive, comrade.

What the rabid right doesn't seem to comprehend is that "Marxism" isn't some simple code of beliefs like the Ten Commandments or the Four Noble Truths. Since the publication of the Manifesto in 1848 communist thought has diverged in a number of different ways and there is no one single belief which represents "Communism" or "Marxism". The revolutionary vocabulary has been spread around and adapted to the different conditions found in different countries. Lots of people claim who claim to be "Marxists" are people who oppose the status quo but feel that they need some theoretical outline to ground their actions and will use Marxist terms because it gives them credibility. But if you look at their program you'll see it doesn't have as much to do with classical Marxism as it does with their demands for an end to racism and that the system work for the elevation of non-whites and not their suppression.

In any case, whatever the professed ideology of the BLM founders, Marxism isn't what's putting people on the streets. The protestors are not demanding ownership of the means of production or predicting the "withering away of the state". They're simply doing what aggrieved people have always done in the country, taking to the public square to demand justice and redress of grievances — a right guaranteed them in the US Constitution.
farmerman
 
  4  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 01:06 pm
@hightor,
What amazes me is how little Pinky and his mate "the Bomb" spout **** that is counter to what our Constitution states, and how little they really know from such subject as PAD and history. I almost wonder whether or not they are citizens.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 01:10 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
They're simply doing what aggrieved people have always done in the country, taking to the public square to demand justice and redress of grievances —

Really? Then our cities have been burning that long? I thought the fires started recently. They are not peaceful. They have nothing in common with orderly protests. There is no goal, there is an agenda.

You can try and dress it up but it is still law breaking and destruction of minority neighborhoods. If you do not have people suffering you are not doing your job. If they do not hate people of a certain color, exactly what they are complaining about, you are being silent. Intimidation and mob violence will be soundly rejected in November. With any luck self hatred will cease to exist.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 21 Jun, 2020 01:13 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
spout **** that is counter to what our Constitution states,

We don't. I think you should find an example to back up your claim. I do not think you will because you know you can't. Saying things about me or Oralloy is just that. You think because you say it, it means something. It doesn't.
 

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