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roger
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 02:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yeah, especially when you see where it leads.
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Sturgis
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 02:20 pm
@hightor,
Trump has used the slippery thing before. It was at one of those rally things a year or two back. On that occasion he said it was the stage and that the lights made him look smart or maybe he said smurf...
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 02:31 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Black Lives Matter wants to prevent police officers from defending themselves when a black person tries to murder them.

I won't discuss the others out of respect for the victims and their family. So let's take this one. See if you can make it verifiable.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 03:42 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Since there are five times as many whites as blacks in this country, there should be five times as many whites shot by cops as blacks if it were proportionate.

That is what you call an idiotic statement. Black crimes are not proportional with their population. Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crimes than their 13% population should.

You people think yelling racism erases the facts in the matter. It doesn't.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 04:06 pm

Quote:
Ben Carson: Society Needs To "Grow Up" And Stop Being Offended By Everything

Quote:
BEN CARSON: You know, we’ve reached a point in our society where we dissect everything and try to ascribe some nefarious notion to it. We really need to move away from that. We need to move away from being offended by everything, of going through history and looking at everything, you know, of renaming everything -- I mean, think about the fact that some of our universities, some of our prestigious universities, have a relationship with the slave trade. Should we go and rename those universities?

It really gets to a point of being ridiculous after a while. And, you know, we’re going to have to grow up as a society.

Have not checked with Biden but I think Carson is a black man.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/06/14/ben_carson_society_needs_to_grow_up_and_stop_being_offended_by_everything.html
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 04:26 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I won't discuss the others out of respect for the victims and their family.

The victims in each of those cases are the police officers who were lynched for justifiably defending themselves. Discussing the fact that they did nothing wrong does them no injustice.


Olivier5 wrote:
So let's take this one.

It's all one thing. "Those others" are proof that Black Lives Matter is all about preventing police officers from defending themselves when black people try to murder them.


Olivier5 wrote:
See if you can make it verifiable.

Reality is verifiable without any help from me. But I already helped make it verifiable when I provided all those examples of police officers being lynched for justifiably defending themselves.

Yes, I know Mr. Zimmerman was the captain of the neighborhood watch instead of a police officer. But he was lynched for defending himself too.
Real Music
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 05:44 pm
Sad Sad Sad

oralloy
 
  -4  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 05:59 pm
@Real Music,
It is good that the President stands up to anti-South bigotry.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 06:36 pm
@Real Music,
That guy used to be a journalist. Now he spouts propaganda for his masters. He should be roundly ignored.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 06:39 pm
Black voters need to pay attention.
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goldberg
 
  -1  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 06:51 pm
@Olivier5,
I understand. It's reasonable to believe that most adolescents tend to act like headbangers refusing to toe the line.

I think I have been a rebel who decides against following the rules for years. It's my life; I want to be myself.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 06:55 pm
@coldjoint,
George Floyd did not commit a crime but he was killed for being black. Breona Taylor did not commit a crime. Ahmaud Arbery did not commit a crime. Trayvon Martin did not commit a crime. Eric Garner's "crime" was selling a few cigarettes and not collecting NY tax but he's dead. too.ccChaney, Schwerner and Goodman, ississippI Freedom Summer 1964 did not commit crimes, but a mob with lawmen in it killed them and dumped them in landfill. Your reasoning is bogus.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 06:59 pm
@goldberg,
Quote:
I think I have been a rebel who decides against following the rules for years

Those days are long gone, your toes are clearly on the line now.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 07:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
George Floyd did not commit a crime but he was killed for being black.

He passed a fake 20 and had illegal drugs on him. A career criminal with multiple prison sentences.
oralloy
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 07:06 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
George Floyd did not commit a crime but he was killed for being black.

I do not know if he was guilty of forgery and neither do you.


MontereyJack wrote:
Trayvon Martin did not commit a crime.

That is incorrect. Trying to murder the captain of the neighborhood watch is a crime.


MontereyJack wrote:
Eric Garner's "crime" was selling a few cigarettes and not collecting NY tax but he's dead too.

He's dead because of injuries that he sustained while resisting arrest.


MontereyJack wrote:
Your reasoning is bogus.

His reasoning is fine.
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 07:07 pm
@Olivier5,
He can't. He just keeps posting the same illogic every time it comes up. He says that BLM's desire to not be shot by copsmeans that they want to kill police because it's really means they are trying to kill police because that takes away cops' right to defend themselves from attack, which of course it only does in oralloy's fevered imagination, not in any sort of reality.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 07:10 pm
@MontereyJack,
Wrong again. Lynching police officers whenever they justifiably defend themselves does indeed prevent them from justifiably defending themselves.

And the fact that you have no response when I rebut your falsehoods about Israel shows that you know that what you said is untrue.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 07:19 pm
@oralloy,
They were not justifiably defending themselves, anymore than the cops recently fired or suspended were defending themselves, they were guilty of using unjustified force, for which they should be and are held responsible. Your argument is illogical. BLM has always been against unjustified force, which the cops have used all too often. You in your usual racist way draw wildly fanciful conclusions.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 07:24 pm
Quote:
Ideological Bigotry, not racism, is what’s systemic

Quote:
The Merriam Webster definition of “bigot” (at least for now) is:

noun – One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
noun – A person who is obstinately and unreasonably wedded to a particular religious or other creed, opinion, practice, or ritual; a person who is illiberally attached to any opinion, system of belief, or party organization; an intolerant dogmatist.

While the overwhelming majority see racism as completely antithetical to the American ideal, this intolerance for anyone who is outside your ideological Tribe has sadly become as American as apple pie.

It is ideological bigotry that compels people to drive someone out of his job because he doesn’t think you should kneel for the national anthem. They are so completely intolerant of that viewpoint they will force someone out of acceptable society — not because he murdered someone or rapes children — but because he thinks you should stand proudly for the anthem and the flag.

If you actively seek to silence the voices of everyone who holds a different political viewpoint, or voted differently from you, you’re a bigot.

That is today's reality I do not know if anyone here will admit it, but that is the way it is.
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But it isn’t just the news media that’s ideologically bigoted. Think of the intolerance we see on a regular basis coming from prominent politicians. You can be called “Deplorable,” “Irredeemable,” “Racist,” “Islamophobic,” “Homophobic,” “Stupid,” “Terrorist,” “White Supremacist” — the list is endless.

It’s exactly why Joe Biden believes if you don’t vote for him, “you ain’t black.” Because skin color doesn’t define your race anymore; Tribal ideology does. And if you are not a member of his Tribe, you aren’t black. Therefore, it is completely acceptable to be bigoted toward you.

If you don’t fall in lockstep with everything they believe, any attack against you is acceptable.

http://patriotretort.com/ideological-bigotry-not-racism-is-whats-systemic/
goldberg
 
  -1  
Sun 14 Jun, 2020 07:34 pm
@coldjoint,
Lots of conservative hacks , bloggers and Youtubers get paid for disseminating antagonistic comments against the Democratic Party on Facebook and Twitter. That's also what they did to Hillary Clinton; they simply launched a smear campaign aimed to vilipend her.

I think liberals don't even boggle at your astringent view of liberalism, what with other conservatives also go loopy over Trump's argument that America should desist from playing the role of global leader unless other nations pick up the tab-by which he means even global military alliances can be monetized, not to mention America's diplomatic relations with other European and Asian allies.

You think a truly American president would do such dopey things that would discombobulate America's friends in Europe and Asia? Do you think that one can cope with all the vexing national affairs by acting like a businessman? Don't tell me that you also liken nation-building to bidding?

Admittedly, Trump's foreign policy is having pernicious influences on America's future and the role it plays. It's just a throwback to Monroe Doctrine. This kind of nonchalance, if anything, only shows other foreign nations that Trump is a poster boy of ostrichism for Putin Inc. And America's foes are going to be the ones laughing all the way to the bank.

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