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Intelligence Community pushes back against a White House it considers leaky, untruthful and penetrated by the Kremlin

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The Stuxnet worm was almost certainly placed into the Iranian nuclear computer systems by the Americans and Israelis. Quite possibly on a thumb drive smuggled in past security.

Given the people around this administration and their relationships to Russia, if I was working in intelligence I'd be scared as hell.
"What's on it, Dimitri?"
"Don't tell anyone, Meester Flynn, 'Russian Girls Gone Wild'"
"Wow. Thanks Dimitri"

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Your references to the past are certainly correct. (And they will be correct in 10, 100, 1.000 and 10.000 years.)

But times have changed since then. Humans, and society, too.

Do you really berlieve that? What evidence do you have to support your theory? Please inform us.

Was the history of the 20th century in Europe any less bloody than that of the 17th? Is there anything in the history of the Middle East or North Africa that suggests that tolerance and progress has continued since the destruction of the Ottoman Empire by European powers? Does the current situation in Europe suggest that European unity will continue, or that we may fast be returning to the nationalism of the 19th century ? I don't presume to know the answer, but it is clear that both outcomes are possible.

Human nature hasn't changed much over recorded history. Here's a favorite epigram of Martial (Rome circa 50 AD)

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To Linus
You ask what I grow On my Sabine estate.
A reliable answer is due.
What I grow on that soil Far from urban turmoil
I grow Very happy at not seeing you!

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Josh Jordan ‏@NumbersMuncher 2h2 hours ago
Days until a president's job *disapproval* hit 55%:
George W Bush: 1,678 days
Barack Obama: 950 days
Donald Trump: 23 days

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4e9-z9VcAE0oVI.jpg

Boy, if there was ever a situation that matched the cliche, "hit the road running", this is it (if one adds 'backwards')

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@georgeob1,

Your odd formulation leads to an axiomatic conclusion that the US Constitution is a worthless bunch of words with no value nor consequence.

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@georgeob1,

Trump is doomed. The US isn't going to be destroyed by a loon like Trump.
46.% now favor the impeachment of Trump.

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‏@FoxNews
.@DineshDSouza: "The primary duty of any government is to protect the security of its own citizens."

Fox tweet and D'Souza statement noted in a following tweet

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Eric Kleefeld ‏@EricKleefeld 1h1 hour ago
Eric Kleefeld Retweeted Fox News
Note: @DineshDSouza wrote a book saying Islamist terrorists rightly angry at America for feminism, gays. @FoxNews

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@blatham,

Not at all. Your "logic" here is seriously defective, and no "axiom" such as you postulate was offered: it is instead your own creation.

Human civilization has been a continuous cycle of achievement and destruction, and history continues....

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Do you really berlieve that? What evidence do you have to support your theory? Please inform us.

Certainly some stick to the past bad behaviour - plenty examples are linked here and to be seen elsewhere.

But generally, if you could take off your blinkers just a bit ...

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@georgeob1,

Walter

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But times have changed since then. Humans, and society, too.

You responded

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Do you really berlieve that? What evidence do you have to support your theory? Please inform us.

Perhaps you need to take more time and care with your responses.

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I was just thinking a bit more about Trump's speaking style. I'll make up an example that's typical.

"I know this guy. Smart guy. So smart. Believe me, I've met a lot of people and this guy is as smart as it gets. Incredibly smart"

I've said before that this operates as filler, and that's certainly true. There's no substance in there. It is an avoidance of substance (usually because he knows so little in terms of details about almost everything) so this style acts as a cover for that lack of knowledge and absence of much prior thought about whatever is the actual subject.

But what he's also doing is throwing out a shitstorm repetition of laudatory adjectives to forward notions of authoritativeness. The more he repeats it, the less (he believes) the person or thing will be challengeable.

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@blatham,

You nailed it. Trump has no in depth knowledge about most things, and he tries to explain in his limited vocabulary that comes off as saying nothing of import.

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What I find particularly amusing here is that the two of you appear to really belireve that you are somehow materially different from the object of your criticism.

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@georgeob1,

Nice try, George. Read it and weep.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340

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@blatham,

Poor Republicans. Traumatized by two terms of Obama they're now stuck having to defend this weirdo. It's going to get old. Real fast. Dancing to the highly syncopated pipings of a tweeting huckster. SAD.

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@cicerone imposter,

As much as I feel Der Trump is kind of a dimwit with ADHD spectral symptoms, I would hate like hell to drive him out of a complete term. Itd **** up the markets and turn us into a real loser and could possibly give the retinue in waiting a complete turn around in govt and promote some kind of Constitutional Crisis. Adam Liptak was giving his opinion re: that possibility which could become a self fullfilling certainty were he leading up to impeachment or resignation.

As mucg=h as I hate to say, we have to brace up the moron and let his term finish to maintain the govt as we know it.
&5% of nations who undergo Constitutional crises, completely abandon their original constitutions within a year after the events.
Look at the Arab Spring, its pretty much a total wipeout and many of the nations are now worse off.

I like the Constitution. I just wish Herr Trump would read it or have someone who knows it try to 'splain what its about. Hes claiming his words of his EO's to be Constitutionally sound and he is flat wrong.
He is also flat wrong about the oversite by a Judiciary.(meaning the executive brqnch judiciary committee as well as the Judiciary itself)

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@farmerman,

The conclusion is that democracies one day become kakistocracies as we see in the case at hand..

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@farmerman,

I fear supporting Trump for any reason. He lacks the brains to understand the responsibilities of the position. He cheapens it. A bad precedence no matter how you wish to support this dummy.

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@hightor,

Sad and bad.

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@farmerman,

I'm not sure yet what I think on that, but you may well be right on. Groan-worthy either way as would happen, but possibly leading to anarchy or... eventual improvement by way of a travel back to democracy.

Edit to say that I assume it is obvious I want Trump gone gone and gone again, hope for it, but I can figure that things even then could get worse.

Thing is, I believe they will get worse with him in office or Pence moving up.

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@hightor,

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Poor Republicans. Traumatized by two terms of Obama they're now stuck having to defend this weirdo. It's going to get old. Real fast. Dancing to the highly syncopated pipings of a tweeting huckster. SAD.

Lots of smarter and more thoughtful/honest republicans are standing up to this modern phenomenon, as you know. And his popularity/unpopularity stats tell us most Americans are getting this right.

But the number of them (including participants here) who previously expressed strong sentiments against Trump and are now falling in line as a function of tribal allegiance - that's the head shaker for me. When you drop principle for a team jersey, you head right towards the 'good German' thing.

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