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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 01:42 pm
@coldjoint,
You do know socking your own posts is a violation of ToS, right????
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 01:47 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
You do know socking your own posts is a violation of ToS, right????

Why is it always you that answers posts concerning forum voting?
lmur
 
  5  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 01:54 pm
Lovely blank page so far....
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 01:56 pm
@lmur,
Quote:
Lovely blank page so far....

It matches your input.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:13 pm
@coldjoint,
Who else have you accused of it? Don't you think if I was socking your account I sure as hell wouldn't hit it 15 times?

I think its you. Why else would you be whining about it? If it were me I wouldn't say a thing. It amuses me it winds you up but it pisses me off you hit yourself just to make a stink and yet once again get off topic.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:14 pm
@lmur,
I apologize for answering him. I'll quit.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:17 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Who else have you accused of it?

I said plainly I am not accusing anyone, including you, because I cannot prove it. You say things you cannot prove I do not. Now show us the post where I accused you?
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:18 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
I apologize for answering him. I'll quit.

He said the page was blank. That means he has you on ignore too. Are you that desperate for approval? You got problems. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:19 pm
Trump, Citing Pandemic, Plans Two Moves to Weaken Key Environmental Protections

Twin environmental actions set for Thursday underscored the president’s push to roll back regulations as the cornavirus crisis continues.

President Trump’s executive order will call on agencies to waive required environmental reviews of infrastructure projects to be built during the pandemic-driven economic crisis.

Coral DavenportLisa Friedman

By Coral Davenport and Lisa Friedman

June 4, 2020, 4:00 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration, in twin actions to curb environmental regulations, will move on Thursday to temporarily speed the construction of energy projects and to permanently weaken federal authority to issue stringent clean air and climate change rules.

President Trump plans to sign an executive order that calls on agencies to waive required environmental reviews of infrastructure projects to be built during the pandemic-driven economic crisis. At the same time, the Environmental Protection Agency will propose a new rule that changes the way the agency uses cost-benefit analyses to enact Clean Air Act regulations, limiting the strength of future air pollution controls.

Together, the actions signal that Mr. Trump intends to speed up his efforts to dismantle environmental regulations as the nation battles the coronavirus and a wave of unrest protesting the deaths of black Americans in Georgia, Minnesota and Kentucky. They will also help define the stakes in the 2020 presidential election, since neither effort would likely survive a Democratic victory.

By changing the way the government weighs the value of the public health benefits, Andrew Wheeler, the E.P.A. administrator, would allow the agency to justify weakening clean air and climate change regulations with economic arguments.

Mr. Trump’s executive order would use “emergency authorities” to waive parts of the cornerstone National Environmental Policy Act to spur the construction of highways, pipelines and other infrastructure projects. Environmental activists and lawyers questioned the legality of the move and accused the administration of using the coronavirus pandemic and national unrest to speed up actions that have been moving slowly through the regulatory process.

“When it comes to trying to unravel this nations’ environmental protection laws, this administration never sleeps,” said Richard Lazarus, professor of environmental law at Harvard University.

Fossil fuel companies have long asserted that the economic formulas used by the federal government to justify pollution controls have unfairly harmed them. During the Obama administration, the E.P.A. drafted a rule to limit toxic mercury pollution from power plants, estimating that it would cost the electric utility industry $9.6 billion a year. But an initial analysis found that reducing mercury would save just $6 million annually in health costs.

To justify that stark imbalance, the Obama administration found an additional $80 billion in health “co-benefits” from the incidental reduction of soot and nitrogen oxide that would occur as side effects of controlling mercury.

Last month, the Trump administration completed a rollback of that Obama mercury rule that discounted such co-benefits.

Now Mr. Wheeler will propose extending that measure by reducing the emphasis on co-benefits across all new Clean Air Act regulations. This year, he is expected to propose a similar revamp of the cost-benefit formulas that govern clean water and chemical safety regulations.

Critics said the change defies the intent of the landmark Clean Air Act of 1970.

“These economic cost-benefit analyses have been an important driver of Clean Air Act regulations for 40 years,” said Richard Morgenstern, a former E.P.A. official who served from the Reagan to the Clinton administrations. “What this rule is doing is altering the math in such a way to potentially downplay the economic benefit to public health, so they are justified in writing weaker rules in the future.”

Allies of Mr. Trump celebrated that prospect.

“This helps the Trump agenda because it limits E.P.A.’s freedom to push out new regulations,” said Steven J. Milloy, a member of Mr. Trump’s E.P.A. transition team and author of the book “Scare Pollution: Why and How to Fix the E.P.A.”

Mr. Wheeler has defended the effort as a way to fix what he has called inconsistencies in the current analyses the agency conducts under the Clean Air Act.

“Benefits and costs have historically been treated differently depending on the media office and the underlying authority,” Mr. Wheeler wrote in a memo last spring directing E.P.A. the agency’s offices overseeing clean air, chemical safety, land management and water to begin to initiate reforms.

“This has resulted in various concepts of benefits, costs and other factors that may be considered,” he added. “This memorandum will initiate an effort to rectify these inconsistencies.”

The future of Thursday’s actions will depend on the outcome of this November’s election. If former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. defeats Mr. Trump and is inaugurated before the draft rule is made final, a process that can easily take up to a year, his administration could simply discard the proposal. If the rule is made final, but Mr. Biden wins the White House and Democrats take control of the Senate, they could use the Congressional Review Act to quickly undo the Trump-era regulation.

The act, almost never used until Mr. Trump took office, allows Congress to nullify any regulation that has been in place for fewer than 60 legislative days.

“If a new president takes office on Jan. 20, 2021, it’s extremely unlikely that this regulation will survive,” said Richard Revesz, an expert on environmental law at New York University.

Thursday’s executive order would be even more vulnerable, since it could be undone with a new president’s signature. Mr. Trump’s order cites “the nation’s economic recovery from the Covid-19 emergency” to justify directing federal agencies to use their emergency authorities to “expedite construction of highways and other projects,” according to the White House.

The policy, first reported by The Washington Post, will “continue the administration’s efforts to reform burdensome and outdated bureaucratic processes that prevent projects from moving forward,” a White House senior official said.

Two people familiar with the details said the order would encourage agencies to bypass requirements under the National Environmental Policy Act, which requires the federal government to prepare detailed analyses of projects that could have significant environmental effects.

Kathleen Sgamma, president of the Western Energy Alliance, an association of independent oil and gas producers, declined to comment on the order until it was made public but noted that there were “statutes and precedent on which President Trump could rely” to bypass certain requirements.

“Infrastructure projects are certainly an effective way to jump start economic recovery and get people back to work while supporting growth far into the future,” she said.

Joel Mintz, a former attorney for the Environmental Protection Act and now a professor at the Nova Southeastern University College of Law, said it was unclear what legal authority Mr. Trump had to invoke such waivers.

“NEPA is a clear directive from Congress to federal agencies that the president cannot ignore or change unilaterally,” he said. “This is also very bad public policy. Pipelines and other infrastructure can do great environmental harm. Their impact should be carefully examined, as NEPA requires, before they are allowed to go forward.”

How about Mr. Lazarus, the Harvard professor, noted that the National Enviornmental Policy Act does not allow federal agencies to consult with the White House over whether “emergency circumstances” make it necessary to waive requirements.

Mr. Lazarus, the Harvard professor, noted that the enviornmental policy act does provide for federal agencies to consult with the White House on whether “emergency circumstances” make it necessary to waive requirements.

“The president’s assertion of authority to waive the application of environmental laws in the way described seems wholly untethered from law,” Mr. Lazarus said.

The Trump administration aimed to dismantle parts of the National Environmental Policy Act long before the coronavirus pandemic hit the United States. In January Mr. Trump released a plan to weaken the law. That measure, which is expected to be finalized this month, would no longer take climate change into account when federal agencies weigh the environmental consequences of infrastructure projects.

The Club for Growth, a free-market group, applauded the move and called it “bold action” to “get our country back to work faster.” The Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental group, accused the administration of “exploiting the pandemic.”
glitterbag
 
  5  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:21 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Do the 12 people who thumbed down my post have the guts to identify themselves? There are not twelve regulars on this thread. There are about 8 or 9 and three of them would not down vote my posts.

I await the list of people. Surely your identity will not hurt any standing you have. Correct?



Why do you care about this piddly point? With everything that life throws at every single one of us, your obsessing over who might dare to thumb you down. Why don't you write to the moderators, demand your posts never be thumbed down because apparently this is your personal stomping ground. All this bullshit about who is brave enough to admit they thumb you down, really? Who do you think you are? And for pity's sake, where do you think you are? We are all members of this forum, and it's privately run, we exist only at the pleasure of our host.

We are not in your home, we are not your guests, and if one or two of the members choose to avoid you or ignore you......deal with it. You're obviously not interested in making friends, you only engage to toss lame insults around as if someone here actually gives a good god-damn what you think.

And now you think you can demand everyone pay attention to your pointless, useless, juvenile insults ........ outrageous, simply an outrageous sense of entitlement. You are probably getting the same reception here as in every other aspect of your bitter, sour existence. If you think you are actually causing anyone mental anguish because you come up with 3rd rate witticisms thats just freaking sad. Imagine being in a room when someone throws up on the carpet, would you want to stay? Would you want to pretend you aren't a little sickened? You'd want to put as much space between yourself and the vomit........I can't speak for anyone else on this forum, but for me "YOU" are the vomit in the room and I don't like spending any more time with your sickish bileous thoughts than necessary.


coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:26 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Plans Two Moves to Weaken Key Environmental Protections

That is progressive talk for Trump is creating jobs.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:27 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
And now you think you can demand everyone pay attention to your pointless, useless, juvenile insults .

I very rarely insult anyone. You do it all the time. I do not need a lecture from a narrow minded gossip. Thanks anyway.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:42 pm
Anyone notice how the percentage of Blacks in the population is more or less stagnant? In the last twenty years it grew by only 2%. Think abortion promoted endlessly by Democrats has anything to do with it?
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:45 pm
@coldjoint,
You mean abotion facored by 2/3 of the country, wll above the percentage of dems in the country, including many Catholics who don't give a damn what their bixshops say.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:47 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
You mean abotion facored by 2/3 of the country

Probably because it keeps the Black population down. Its intention from the start.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:52 pm
Quote:
Jewish Group To Eric Swalwell: Apologize for Comparing Ric Grenell to Nazi

Quote:
Looks like Eric Swalwell didn’t get the memo from Pelosi yesterday: In her little dramatic photo op, she held a Bible and lectured us that this is a time for healing.

And no, Eric, there was no “gassing” of protestors before President Trump walked to the church across from the WH.

Another unfortunate and disgusting Nazi reference.

Someone needs to send him a copy of “Things That Offend The Jewish Community…For Dummies.”

Democrats are the antisemitic people.
https://tammybruce.com/2020/06/jewish-group-to-eric-swalwell-apologize-for-comparing-ric-grenell-to-nazi.html
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:54 pm
@coldjoint,
Bullshit. And a majority of Catholics favor it too
Quote:
Nation | Feb. 24, 2020
New Poll Asks Catholics What They Believe About Abortion
The poll of 1,512 Catholic registered voters was conducted between Jan. 28 - Feb. 4, 2020, and surveyed U.S. Catholic opinion on a range of subjects, including political affiliation, preferred presidential candidate, the morality of abortion, and religious practices.
Matt Hadro/CNA.
WASHINGTON, D.C. — While the Catholic Church teaches that procuring an abortion is always immoral, a majority of U.S. Catholics do not believe abortion is intrinsically evil and say it should be legal in all or most cases.
According to a RealClear Opinion Research poll sponsored by EWTN and published on Monday, 47% of Catholics in the U.S. believe abortion is “intrinsically evil,” while a 53% hold otherwise.
A majority — 51% — say that abortion should be legal in all or most cases, with 31% saying it should be legal except for late-term cases and 20% saying it should always be legal.
The poll of 1,512 Catholic registered voters was conducted between Jan. 28 - Feb. 4, 2020, and surveyed U.S. Catholic opinion on a range of subjects, including political affiliation, preferred presidential candidate, the morality of abortion, and religious practices.
U.S. Catholics were slightly less likely to support legal abortion than Americans overall. According to 2019 Gallup polling, 25% of Americans think abortion should be “legal under any circumstances,” while 20% of Catholics take that position, according to Monday’s poll.
But while 21% of Americans believe abortion should be “illegal in all” circumstances according to the Gallup poll, only 11% of Catholics think so.
Michael New, a visiting professor of social research and political science at the Catholic University of America, told CNA that religious practice, not self-identification, is the strongest predictor of opinions on abortion.
“What is a much stronger predictor” for Catholics, he said, is “attendance at Mass.”

Among Catholics attending Mass at least weekly, the majority, 55%, answered that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.
More than one-third of weekly Mass-goers, 35%, said abortion should be illegal except in cases of rape, incest, or “to save the mother’s life.” Twenty percent said that abortion should always be illegal. Meanwhile, 20% of weekly Mass-goers said abortion should be legal in all cases, and 22% said it should be legal except for late-term cases.
Among Catholics who say they accept everything the Catholic Church teaches, and that their lives reflect Church teaching, a substantial number 27% said that abortion should be legal in all cases, and 15% said it should be legal except in cases of late-term abortion. A majority said that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.
While they remain divided on the question of the legality of abortion, a far greater number of Catholics in who attend Mass weekly or say they accept everything the Catholic Church teaches also believe abortion to be “intrinsically evil,”
More than seven-in-ten Catholics, 71%, who say they accept all the Church’s teachings believe abortion is intrinsically evil. 66% of “weekly-plus” Mass attendees answered the same way—far more than the 47% of Catholics overall who answered this way.
“The term ‘intrinsically evil’ isn’t used all that much” in society, New told CNA, and thus this term might seem “unnecessarily harsh” to describe abortion if Catholics are not well-versed in the language of moral theology.
Catholics of other demographics did not vary with great significance in their answers on the morality of abortion. Catholics of generations X, Y, and Z were only slightly less likely than Catholics of the Boomer and Silent generations to believe abortion is intrinsically evil.
Hispanic Catholics offered perspectives on abortion similar to Catholics overall; 21% said abortion should be legal in all cases, and 32% said it should be legal except in late-term cases. Only 48% said abortion is intrinsically evil.
Beliefs about abortion vary significantly among political party affiliations. Catholics identifying as Republicans were more likely to say abortion is intrinsically evil, with 63% answering thus. In this subset, only 37% said it should be legal all or most of the time while 61% said it should be illegal all or most of the time.
Two-thirds of Catholics identifying as Democrats said abortion should be legal in all or most cases, compared to just 37% of Republicans. Meanwhile, just 36% of Democratic Catholics said that abortion is intrinsically evil, compared to 63% of Republican Catholics who said it is.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:55 pm
@coldjoint,
Face it, joint, you're unamerican.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 03:07 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Catholics favor it too

Catholics are not racists? You seem to think everyone is. Maybe they want to keep the Black population down too.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 03:08 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Face it, joint, you're unamerican.

Projection.
 

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